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lvbuckeye
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1)Obi Wan couldn't do the same thing because he was not as powerful as Mace... surely you can understand that? put in football terms: if Ohio State could smack scUM in the mouth like they did, why couldn't Texas?Sloopy45 said:
2) Grievous was not introduced earlier because his introduction was not necessary to move the story forward any earlier... umm... like YODA not being introduced in IV... surely Lucas knew that Yoda was central to Empire, so why not have him in 'A New Hope?' (does that make sense??)
Greivious can't use the Force? says WHO? Grievous was an organic living being, albiet one in a 'mech' suit (hmm... kinda like VADER in your three?)... why can other beings use the Force, but he can't? besides, he said 'trained in Jedi Arts' not, 'trained how to use a lightsaber.' surely you can attest that Dooku had a pretty good grasp of the Jedi Arts? he was Yoda'a protege...Sloopy45 said:
come on now! you are dead serious in your opinions of the New Trilogy... how can i NOT read into it?
aaaaaaaaaahhhh!!! *runs around the room*Sloopy45 said:
first off, he wasn't in Degobah for a week... secondly, Yoda TOLD HIM NOT TO GO... and third, when viewed IN NUMERICAL ORDER (not chronoligical), could this not be construed as an inconsistancy in 'Empire'?
i think you are overlooking a very obvious evolution of the mythology of the story over the last 30 years...
he didn't say 'since before you were born.' he said: "Obi Wan Kenobi. now that's a name i haven't heard for a looooong time." get your quotes straight, or your arguement is useless...buckzip said:
umm... maybe you missed it: at the end of Jedi, Vader throws Sideous into the reactor, and ends him... then Luke removes the Helmet, and Vader himself ends... thus, in fact ANAKIN/VADER IS the Chosen One who brings balance to the Force, and ends the Sith... final score: Jedi 1, Sith 0... get it? Lucas did a FAR better job tying the story up than you give him credit for... you nitpick the small shit, but can't see the whole picture...Sloopy45 said:
Mace didn't beat the Palpatine... Palpatine played 'possum because he knew where Anakin's loyalties were... getting Anakin to attack Mace, in the name of patriotism no less, which was blatantly against Jedi Code, and when Anakin was already bitter at being told that there was NO WAY that the Jedi Counsel would allow Anakin the rank of Master, was just another subtle way for Palpatine to shift Anakin from the Light to the Dark Side...Buckzip said:
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Well RotS appears to be rolling along and doing quite well despite whatever we might comment here. It was the fastest to hit the $300 million mark:
As of Monday, RotS is the 18th largest grossing film on the domestic side with a box office total of $310,314,752. It probably overtook Attack of the Clones yesterday for the 17th spot. FOX estimates that Sith will break the $400 million dollar mark and finish as one of the top 6 domestic grossing films of all time.
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/domestic.htm
http://www.theforce.net/topstory/story/ROTS_Drops_to_3_at_the_Box_Office_93104.asp
As of Monday, RotS is the 18th largest grossing film on the domestic side with a box office total of $310,314,752. It probably overtook Attack of the Clones yesterday for the 17th spot. FOX estimates that Sith will break the $400 million dollar mark and finish as one of the top 6 domestic grossing films of all time.
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/domestic.htm
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I think the slot for top grossing movie of the 2005 will be an interesting struggle. Although it appears Sith is going to have a $400+ gross, I think there is a movie out there that might beat it and potentially could become one of the top 3 movies of all time, depending on how Disney handles it.
I'm talking about The Lion, The Witch, and the Wardrobe. This movie if done correctly and if it remains faithful to the book could be huge because you have three segments of society that will flock to it: 1) the kids that every Disney movie attracts, 2) the Christians that made The Passion such a huge success (this assumes the movie remains loyal to the book), and 3) the fantasy/sci-fi junkies who made Star Wars and Lord of the Rings such huge successes.
I personally fall into the last two categories and already know that I will be seeing multiple viewings of this movie.
http://adisney.go.com/disneypictures/narnia/index.html
I'm talking about The Lion, The Witch, and the Wardrobe. This movie if done correctly and if it remains faithful to the book could be huge because you have three segments of society that will flock to it: 1) the kids that every Disney movie attracts, 2) the Christians that made The Passion such a huge success (this assumes the movie remains loyal to the book), and 3) the fantasy/sci-fi junkies who made Star Wars and Lord of the Rings such huge successes.
I personally fall into the last two categories and already know that I will be seeing multiple viewings of this movie.
http://adisney.go.com/disneypictures/narnia/index.html
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Sloopy45
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buckeyegrad: "The pacing of the movie suggests a couple of weeks, but it may have been more."
I agree. But what does that matter anyway? The supposed flaw in Anakin's training was that he was too old (10) to begin the training. If a Jedi must be trained from infancy, even if Luke was on Dagobah for a whole year, its still quite a bit of difference, don't you think?
"Since the hyperdrive is broken, what is the Falcon's top traveling speed?"
Its the ship that made the Kessel Run in less than 12 parsecs. She's fast enough for you, old man. (Always wanted to say that).
lvbuckeye: "Obi Wan couldn't do the same thing because he was not as powerful as Mace... surely you can understand that?"
Anakin says in Attack of the Clones regarding Obi-Wan (quote), "He's as wise as Master Yoda, and as powerful as Master Windu."
"Grievous was not introduced earlier because his introduction was not necessary to move the story forward any earlier."
Why not? Attack of the Clones (for all intensive purposes) flopped in the theater. Wouldn't a character like GG be great for a movie that's as bland as a bowl of Cream of Wheat?
"Greivious can't use the Force? says WHO?"
Says everybody. He ain't a Jedi, and he ain't a Sith. Where did he use the Force in this movie?
"he didn't say 'since before you were born.' he said: "Obi Wan Kenobi. now that's a name i haven't heard for a looooong time." get your quotes straight, or your arguement is useless..."
Getting my quotes straight:
"Obi-Wan Kenobi ... that's a name I've not heard in a long time. A long time."
"Well of course I know him .. he's me."
"I've not gone by the name of Obi-Wan since before you were born."
Straight enough for you?
"then Luke removes the Helmet, and Vader himself ends... thus, in fact ANAKIN/VADER IS the Chosen One who brings balance to the Force, and ends the Sith... final score: Jedi 1, Sith 0... get it?"
Not necessarily. Yoda implies that the prophecy of 'bringing balance to the Force' might be misread in Revenge of the Sith. Jedi 1 > Sith 0, i.e. 'imbalance.'
I agree. But what does that matter anyway? The supposed flaw in Anakin's training was that he was too old (10) to begin the training. If a Jedi must be trained from infancy, even if Luke was on Dagobah for a whole year, its still quite a bit of difference, don't you think?
"Since the hyperdrive is broken, what is the Falcon's top traveling speed?"
Its the ship that made the Kessel Run in less than 12 parsecs. She's fast enough for you, old man. (Always wanted to say that).
lvbuckeye: "Obi Wan couldn't do the same thing because he was not as powerful as Mace... surely you can understand that?"
Anakin says in Attack of the Clones regarding Obi-Wan (quote), "He's as wise as Master Yoda, and as powerful as Master Windu."
"Grievous was not introduced earlier because his introduction was not necessary to move the story forward any earlier."
Why not? Attack of the Clones (for all intensive purposes) flopped in the theater. Wouldn't a character like GG be great for a movie that's as bland as a bowl of Cream of Wheat?
"Greivious can't use the Force? says WHO?"
Says everybody. He ain't a Jedi, and he ain't a Sith. Where did he use the Force in this movie?
"he didn't say 'since before you were born.' he said: "Obi Wan Kenobi. now that's a name i haven't heard for a looooong time." get your quotes straight, or your arguement is useless..."
Getting my quotes straight:
"Obi-Wan Kenobi ... that's a name I've not heard in a long time. A long time."
"Well of course I know him .. he's me."
"I've not gone by the name of Obi-Wan since before you were born."
Straight enough for you?
"then Luke removes the Helmet, and Vader himself ends... thus, in fact ANAKIN/VADER IS the Chosen One who brings balance to the Force, and ends the Sith... final score: Jedi 1, Sith 0... get it?"
Not necessarily. Yoda implies that the prophecy of 'bringing balance to the Force' might be misread in Revenge of the Sith. Jedi 1 > Sith 0, i.e. 'imbalance.'
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A few bullet points:
-Greivious never used the force in any of the cartoons or in Sith that I saw. Being well trained and able to use 4-5 light sabers at once made him a worthy adversary. Only Windu and Obi Wan had their way with him.
-Greivious made his first appearance in the very last chapter of season 1 of the Clone Wars and he was called a "new general" so he might not have been around in Episode 2.
-IMO Luke was the chosen one. It took him to turn Vader against the Emperor.
-Greivious never used the force in any of the cartoons or in Sith that I saw. Being well trained and able to use 4-5 light sabers at once made him a worthy adversary. Only Windu and Obi Wan had their way with him.
-Greivious made his first appearance in the very last chapter of season 1 of the Clone Wars and he was called a "new general" so he might not have been around in Episode 2.
-IMO Luke was the chosen one. It took him to turn Vader against the Emperor.
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Sloopy45 said:
I wasn't trying to defend the prequels on this matter, I was simply discussing an interesting topic regarding the old trilogy...I've pretty much given-up on defending the "all six movies make on complete saga" argument since it is obvious we are nver going to agree or get anywhere. We will simply have to agree to disagree....that is if you agree to that.
I think it is pretty obvious throughout the prequels that "balance" to the Force implies the destruction of the Sith and those who use of the Dark Side. It is not a yin/yang thing where the Dark and Light have to be equal. Lucas has said this on numerous occassions. I took Yoda's comments to mean that they may have been wrong about Anakin being the chosen one not about what "balance" means.
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Sloopy45
Pimp Minister Sinister
buckeyegrad: "We will simply have to agree to disagree....that is if you agree to that."
Agreed. I wasn't ever trying to change your opinions on the movies, I have my opinions & you have yours. It makes for fun conversation.
"I think it is pretty obvious throughout the prequels that "balance" to the Force implies the destruction of the Sith and those who use of the Dark Side. It is not a yin/yang thing where the Dark and Light have to be equal. Lucas has said this on numerous occassions. I took Yoda's comments to mean that they may have been wrong about Anakin being the chosen one not about what "balance" means."
I'm not so sure. I took Yoda's comments to mean, "We've been thinking that 'bring balance' means to one day destroy the Sith. But what if we're misinterpreting it? What if 'bring balance' means something else?"
Again, I don't know either way. I'm not making a definitive statement.
Agreed. I wasn't ever trying to change your opinions on the movies, I have my opinions & you have yours. It makes for fun conversation.
"I think it is pretty obvious throughout the prequels that "balance" to the Force implies the destruction of the Sith and those who use of the Dark Side. It is not a yin/yang thing where the Dark and Light have to be equal. Lucas has said this on numerous occassions. I took Yoda's comments to mean that they may have been wrong about Anakin being the chosen one not about what "balance" means."
I'm not so sure. I took Yoda's comments to mean, "We've been thinking that 'bring balance' means to one day destroy the Sith. But what if we're misinterpreting it? What if 'bring balance' means something else?"
Again, I don't know either way. I'm not making a definitive statement.
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buckzip
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LVbuckeye,
"he didn't say 'since before you were born.' he said: "Obi Wan Kenobi. now that's a name i haven't heard for a looooong time." get your quotes straight, or your arguement is useless."
He most certainly said that. Watch it again, before you attack me for being wrong.
"he didn't say 'since before you were born.' he said: "Obi Wan Kenobi. now that's a name i haven't heard for a looooong time." get your quotes straight, or your arguement is useless."
He most certainly said that. Watch it again, before you attack me for being wrong.
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Sloopy45
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buckzip: "He most certainly said that. Watch it again, before you attack me for being wrong."
If there are any other further questions regarding my knowledge of the quotes in these movies, let me just say this:
"The odds of successfully navigating an asteroid field are approximately 3,720 to 1."
And you can look that number up ..
If there are any other further questions regarding my knowledge of the quotes in these movies, let me just say this:
"The odds of successfully navigating an asteroid field are approximately 3,720 to 1."
And you can look that number up ..
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Sloopy,
By chance are you a follower of Gonk?
I remember that about 5-7 years ago there was a group of Star Wars fans who began a web site claiming Gonk was actually a god and the movies were in fact about him. Han, Leia, and Luke were merely side characters.
Perhaps this is why you hate the prequels so much, because the focus moved to Anakin and away from Gonk.
By chance are you a follower of Gonk?
I remember that about 5-7 years ago there was a group of Star Wars fans who began a web site claiming Gonk was actually a god and the movies were in fact about him. Han, Leia, and Luke were merely side characters.
Perhaps this is why you hate the prequels so much, because the focus moved to Anakin and away from Gonk.
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