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Some Post-Game Thoughts - Indiana 2005

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Just wondering why they didn't check off on TS's INT. When the DB is playing your inside shoulder to cut off the slant, check off to an angle or a fade. Our receivers used to be able to do it at the line, I don't want to blame it all on TS but someone should have picked up on the DB cutting the slant on the pre snap reads.
 
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I haven't read anything past LBJ's great post to start things off (9 pages is a little much all at once...). Not sure if this has been mentioned time and time again or whatnot, but...

Schlegs had probably his best game of the year last weekend. Looked like the run-stopper I always imagined he'd be. I was also very impressed with Ashton Youboty's play against Indiana. Against MSU, Ashton and the entire D-backfield were playing very soft zone coverage. Ashton seemed to lead that backfield into a more physical game, keeping their 3 surprisingly good WR's in check all game. Jenkins showed he can bring some Salley-ish wood, if need be.

LOVED the screen calls and glad to see more TE formations, but show some confidence in your option pitches, Troy! There was one where it should have been an obvious pitch to Pittman, and he got absolutely pounded. Don't think teams aren't going to pick up on Troy not pitching the ball. They'll just focus on Troy when we run the option. Datish and Boone need some work still, but Sims/Mangold/Downing make a moving brick wall. Holmes and Ginn looked like their old selves again.

I don't know about you guys, but I'm ready for Minnesota.
 
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BuckTwenty said:
I haven't read anything past LBJ's great post to start things off (9 pages is a little much all at once...). Not sure if this has been mentioned time and time again or whatnot, but...

Schlegs had probably his best game of the year last weekend. Looked like the run-stopper I always imagined he'd be. I was also very impressed with Ashton Youboty's play against Indiana. Against MSU, Ashton and the entire D-backfield were playing very soft zone coverage. Ashton seemed to lead that backfield into a more physical game, keeping their 3 surprisingly good WR's in check all game. Jenkins showed he can bring some Salley-ish wood, if need be.

LOVED the screen calls and glad to see more TE formations, but show some confidence in your option pitches, Troy! There was one where it should have been an obvious pitch to Pittman, and he got absolutely pounded. Don't think teams aren't going to pick up on Troy not pitching the ball. They'll just focus on Troy when we run the option. Datish and Boone need some work still, but Sims/Mangold/Downing make a moving brick wall. Holmes and Ginn looked like their old selves again.

I don't know about you guys, but I'm ready for Minnesota.
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I respectfully disagree with the way Smith has been running the option. I think he has been doing one hell of a job. I don't have the exact numbers, they are in my other thread, but both times he pitched it and we got about 12 yards. When running the option you can't just pitch it b/c you are going to be hit, you have to make sure no one is going to be there to hit the rb. He does that fake pitch and cuts it up field very well.
 
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Regarding the atmosphere on Saturday, I found this:

Fans weren't problems for IU
ANALYSIS

By AL LESAR
Tribune Staff Writer

Too many outside influences concern Terry Hoeppner.

Minutes after his Indiana football team was pounded by Ohio State, the Hoosier coach was as focused on the atmosphere of the stadium as he was with the state of his team.

"I think our team and our program still have a long way to go," Hoeppner said.

However, instead of talking about how to fix an offense that generated fewer than 30 yards more than Buckeye speedster Ted Ginn accumulated in punt returns (137-110), he focused on the fans' reaction to a point in the third quarter when Indiana cut the Ohio State lead to 17-10.

"At that point, home-field advantage needs to kick in," Hoeppner said. "I am not pointing any fingers, but we didn't make plays to create an atmosphere we needed to create. We have a long way to go in both areas. The Buckeyes don't come back here for a long time (at least 2009). When they do, it needs to be a completely different atmosphere."

It was different in Bloomington. A sellout crowd of almost 53,000 was unusual. A four-mile traffic jam leading into campus 90 minutes before kickoff was out of the ordinary. But the opponent may have had something to do with it. There was as much scarlet and gray in the stands as there was cream and crimson.

But why should Hoeppner care? The only influence he has over who comes to the games and how they react is by making sure the product on the field is the best it can be.

It's a Catch 22 -- do fans cheer because the team plays well or does the team play well because the fans cheer?

It shouldn't matter to Hoeppner. Whether it's a hostile crowd on the road or a warm and fuzzy group in Memorial Stadium, his job is to field a competitive team.

It all comes down to talent. Man for man, there weren't many Hoosiers that would be able to walk into the Ohio State locker room and be instant starts. Receiver James Hardy may have the best chance, though he would have to supplant either Ginn or Santonio Holmes -- or convince coach Jim Tressel to go with a three-receiver set.

That's the challenge facing Hoeppner. Not season ticket sales. Not the atmosphere of the stadium. Not alumni involvement. All that is window dressing.

Become bowl eligible, beat Purdue and be competitive with the mid-level Big Ten teams on a regular basis for a few years and Hoeppner will be amazed at how the atmosphere changes. Indiana has lost too many lopsided games to Ohio State in the past few decades to be taken seriously.

There is still time this season to start the reversal. Saturday's game at Michigan State, given the Spartans' recent collapse, can be winnable with a solid defensive performance. Then, Purdue is so vulnerable right now it's a good thing the Boilermakers played Akron when they did.

It's possible -- if Hoeppner can keep focused on the field as well as on the recruiting trail and not worry about what's going on in the stands behind him.

http://www.southbendtribune.com/sto...20051024-sbt-FULL-C2-Fans_weren_t_problem.sto
 
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BB73 said:
Your south end zone did a commendable job on the 'H' when the O-H-I-O cheer went around the stadium. Those end zone stands look like high school bleachers. Anyway - good job cheering; for a small group of folks, the 'H' was clearly audible to me in the opposite corner of the stadium (the last 'O').
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I was in the last 'O' corner also. My first Indiana game and it was pretty awesome the support that OSU had, almost unreal, and saddening for IU fans.

Boy did Ginn ever just turn on the after burners when he got to about the 40 and just broke away from the pack on his KR, was a sight to see, there were IU players just yards behind him, then he just ran and I knew he was gone. I also didn't see the penalty on the play, and was pretty irrate.

The refs were a joke. Even at the beginning of the game they weren't spotting the ball quickly and were just out of it in general. I remember a slight delay because they didn't even have a ball on the field yet and the teams were lined up.
 
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It is interesting that those of us at the game had a very different opinion of Troy's performance than the people that watched it on the TV.

The in person crowd is substantially less enthusiastic, me included.
 
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Until the opposing defenses prove they can stop Troy on the option play, he doesn't need to pitch it. The option pitch is always a dangerous play, even with no defenders near the RB, b/c things can go wrong.

Troy had been too predictable in his QB draws, but even as early as the Texas game I believe the option runs were working fairly well (outside of the red zone, of course).

Besides, Troy has yet to show any sign of fatigue or slowing down with all of his carries. Pittman has shown that weakness almost every game.

I agree there are times that pitching might yield a bigger gain (and perhaps should be pitched), but if he has over 5+ yards by himself, it's not always a necessary risk.
 
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It is interesting that those of us at the game had a very different opinion of Troy's performance than the people that watched it on the TV.

The in person crowd is substantially less enthusiastic, me included.
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We were there and I agree. He locked in on one receiver and didn't sell the pitch. I still don't understand the run on 3rd and 15 but that was probably Tressel's call
 
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Troy still has many flaws, but I think we would all agree that he is improving each week. Although, I must admit that I didn't think he would need this much improvement after his super-human performance last year against scUM
 
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Folanator said:
It is interesting that those of us at the game had a very different opinion of Troy's performance than the people that watched it on the TV.

The in person crowd is substantially less enthusiastic, me included.
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Actually, being at the game I thought Troy played real well.

He missed Gonzalez down the seams once and that was his biggest mistake all game (though the busted play where he threw the ball I think right to a lineman or in a crowd was bad). Did he lock on to receivers at times? I don't know, probably. But he showed some great things too. Waited many times for the crossing routes/drags to open up, both with the TEs and the one play to Holmes, stellar runs, and some solid passes.

It looks like a big part of the game plan was to get Holmes the ball and Smith was trying to do that on Saturday. Maybe he tried to hard, but I don't see why so many people are still down playing his game. ONE interception! OK, yea it looks like it was a bad decision/bad throw/should have recognized the CB, but maybe Holmes could have got better position, maybe there was pass interference, or maybe it was just a bad play call by the staff to do inside the 10 after running that slant 2 previous times already that early in the game (ding ding, I'll take answer #3). But whatever, it was one bad play and I think the rest of the game made up for his performence. Smith has controlled the last 2 games well and led solid victories for the Buckeyes.

Did Krenzel always look like a great QB?
 
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OHSportsFan9 said:
Actually, being at the game I thought Troy played real well.

He missed Gonzalez down the seams once and that was his biggest mistake all game (though the busted play where he threw the ball I think right to a lineman or in a crowd was bad). Did he lock on to receivers at times? I don't know, probably. But he showed some great things too. Waited many times for the crossing routes/drags to open up, both with the TEs and the one play to Holmes, stellar runs, and some solid passes.

It looks like a big part of the game plan was to get Holmes the ball and Smith was trying to do that on Saturday. Maybe he tried to hard, but I don't see why so many people are still down playing his game. ONE interception! OK, yea it looks like it was a bad decision/bad throw/should have recognized the CB, but maybe Holmes could have got better position, maybe there was pass interference, or maybe it was just a bad play call by the staff to do inside the 10 after running that slant 2 previous times already that early in the game (ding ding, I'll take answer #3). But whatever, it was one bad play and I think the rest of the game made up for his performence. Smith has controlled the last 2 games well and led solid victories for the Buckeyes.

Did Krenzel always look like a great QB?
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In answer to your last question. We were talking on the way back to the car about Krenzel. We all agreed that Krenzel and that team had a mental toughness that this team seems to lack (not on defense, but parts of the offense lack that toughness)
 
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