Some BCS facts for your SEC friends

[muffler dragon]

hardly a fair assessment of conference power. the big 10 regularly has 2 teams in the bcs, and not always because their teams had a season to warrant it.

don't get me wrong, i understand the idea behind using bcs games, or even bowl games as a whole, as an indicator of conference power. unfortunately it just doesn't work.

This isn't necessarily directed to you, martin. It's just something that has been on my mind for a while.

I used to ascribe to the emboldened as an "excuse". However, I've switched my perspective on this. Regardless of whether teams "deserved" to be in said bowls or not, we (as Buckeye fans) would be singing an entirely different tune IF we had won those games. It's just like when JT and the Buckeyes were 4-0 in BCS games. Granted, success cures all ills (as we've recently seen with the Rose Bowl victory), but a change in perspective may be served well here too. Truthfully, I find it hard to argue with Gator considering the fact that Florida has gotten it done (sans the Michigan game) when they've been invited to their bowls.

JMO.

 

[smithlabs]

True, but there's a difference between a #2 team playing Hawaii, Cinci, Utah, ND (both of us), Kansas St and playing an elite USC team, something the B10 #2 enjoyed routinely.

Much like the bizarre drought of rose bowl appearances during Tressel's B10 dominance, the SEC has also managed to miss the Trojans in bowl season. (the results were pretty ugly in OOC play) One of life's quirks I guess

Looking at DBB analysis I am changing my mind on K-state.
http://www.buckeyeplanet.com/forum/...atistical-analysis-thread-20.html#post1642094

It turns out that the K-State win might have been the most statistically significant with of the BCS era based on differential DSC ratings. That game had the largest DSC difference of any game since 2001 with that was won by the DSC underdog. Consider three games: K-state, Miami 2002 and Florida 2006.

2003 Fiesta: K-state (DSC=2.7) Ohio State (1.7) Difference (1.0)
2002 Fiesta: Miami (2.6) Ohio State (2.5) Difference (.1)
2006 Sugar: Ohio State (3.1) Florida (2.6) Difference (.5)

One might conclude that Ohio State's miraculous victory in the 2002 Fiesta Bowl wasn't a surprise and the 2003 Fiesta victory was a "better" win than the 2006 Sugar loss.

In my heart I would have rather would have traded 2003 for 2006 but I'm just reporting numbers.

 

[GoBucks1014]

Looking at DBB analysis I am changing my mind on K-state.
http://www.buckeyeplanet.com/forum/...atistical-analysis-thread-20.html#post1642094

It turns out that the K-State win might have been the most statistically significant with of the BCS era based on differential DSC ratings. That game had the largest DSC difference of any game since 2001 with that was won by the DSC underdog. Consider three games: K-state, Miami 2002 and Florida 2006.

2003 Fiesta: K-state (DSC=2.7) Ohio State (1.7) Difference (1.0)
2002 Fiesta: Miami (2.6) Ohio State (2.5) Difference (.1)
2006 Sugar: Ohio State (3.1) Florida (2.6) Difference (.5)

One might conclude that Ohio State's miraculous victory in the 2002 Fiesta Bowl wasn't a surprise and the 2003 Fiesta victory was a "better" win than the 2006 Sugar loss.

In my heart I would have rather would have traded 2003 for 2006 but I'm just reporting numbers.

I'm quite sure you mean the BCS MNC game played at the site of the Fiesta Bowl in Glendale, AZ.

Our last loss in the actual Sugar Bowl was the '99 beatdown to Florida St.

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

Not to be confused with OSU's last loss in a bowl game played in the domed stadium in New Orleans which which happened in 2008, but was counted as the 2007 season.

 

[BB73]

I'm quite sure you mean the BCS MNC game played at the site of the Fiesta Bowl in Glendale, AZ.

Our last loss in the actual Sugar Bowl was the '99 beatdown to Florida St.

I'm quite sure you mean the '98 Sugar Bowl against FSU, played after the '97 season.

tOSU's January '99 bowl game was a Sugar Bowl win over Texas A&M.

 

[Dryden]

I'm quite sure you mean the '98 Sugar Bowl against FSU, played after the '97 season.

tOSU's January '99 bowl game was a Sugar Bowl win over Texas A&M.

Whatever year it was when we got crushed by Florida State in the Sugar Bowl, all I know is Coop should have started Joe Germaine over Shane Falco. That Falco guy was terrible.

 

[matcar]

Whatever year it was when we got crushed by Florida State in the Sugar Bowl, all I know is Coop should have started Joe Germaine over Shane Falco. That Falco guy was terrible.

Joe was one tough hombre...we already knew that before that game, but it was made perfectly clear during that game when Wadsworth and company attempted to drive his body through the SuperDome turf repeatedly.

 

[Steve19]

Gratuitous Shane Falco girlfriend picture

Move along. Nothing to see here. Keep moving.

 

[martinss01]

This isn't necessarily directed to you, martin. It's just something that has been on my mind for a while.

I used to ascribe to the emboldened as an "excuse". However, I've switched my perspective on this. Regardless of whether teams "deserved" to be in said bowls or not, we (as Buckeye fans) would be singing an entirely different tune IF we had won those games. It's just like when JT and the Buckeyes were 4-0 in BCS games. Granted, success cures all ills (as we've recently seen with the Rose Bowl victory), but a change in perspective may be served well here too. Truthfully, I find it hard to argue with Gator considering the fact that Florida has gotten it done (sans the Michigan game) when they've been invited to their bowls.

JMO.

your exactly right. tOSU fans would be and have. my point is that we would be just as wrong for doing so.

 

[Bill Lucas]

Some additional ammunition. I was engaged in a thread on an LSU board with a poster who claimed that LSU regularly plays 3 to 4 top 10 teams in conference each season.

Here is what I found for the last decade.

Here are the top 10 teams that LSU played each year in the last 10 years.

2000 - NO top 10 teams
2001 - Florida and Tennessee (L,L and W)
2002 - Texas (L)
2003 - Oklahoma and Georgia (W,W and W)
2004 - Georgia and Iowa (L,L)
2005 - Alabama (W)
2006 - Florida and Auburn (L,L)
2007 - Virginia Tech and Ohio State (W,W)
2008 - Florida, Alabama and Georgia (L,L and L)
2009 - Florida, Alabama and Penn State (L,L and L)

So, your claim is not only not true but when analyzed LSU has a 7-13 record against teams that finished in the top 10. Additionally of the 20 top 10 teams that LSU played in the last decade 6 of them were NOT SEC teams. The SECCG also gave LSU an extra opportunity to play a highly ranked opponent in 4 years (one of which was not a top 10 opponent).

So, LSU actually scheduled 11 top ten teams in the last decade on their regular season schedule. Wow, now that is an impressive feat and it is a far cry from the 3-4 teams that they regularly play in conference that you claim are top 10 teams each and every year.

Note, that outside of their two championship season LSU is 2-13 against top 10 opponents. Additionally, I researched the Ohio State schedule in the last 10 years. Here is what I found.

As a comparison Ohio State has also played 20 games against teams that finished in the top 10 in the last decade and ended with a 9-11 record against those teams.

Wow, those SEC schedules sure are brutal!!

 

[jwinslow]

They also made the NC game without facing a top-10 SEC team.

 

[Tlangs]

Whatever year it was when we got crushed by Florida State in the Sugar Bowl, all I know is Coop should have started Joe Germaine over Shane Falco. That Falco guy was terrible.

did Johnny Utah redshirt that year?

 

[Zurp]

Basic Opponent-vs-Opponent Record
I don't know if anyone tried this website out. Plug in one team and then another and it tells you the all-time record between the two teams. Usually. I noticed that it conveniently left out all the years between 1904 and 1918 for Ohio State vs. Michigan. So who knows how much you can trust this.

Anyway, I zurped in each Big Ten team and each SEC team, and got an over-powering 97-91-6 advantage for the Big Ten.

Note that this is each current Big Ten team (not Nebraska) vs. each current SEC team. I'm not going to go back and research when each team joined the conferences and limit the games to when they were in the conferences. That's a lot of work and, even though I'm not doing REAL work, I don't want to do much other work. If I were to limit the data to certain years, I'd probably go from 1998 to now (BCS era).

Records of Big Ten teams vs. SEC:
Illinois 2-6
Indiana 26-21
Iowa 5-3
Michigan 20-5-1
Michigan State 5-7-1
Minnesota 5-3
Northwestern 2-6-1
Ohio State 7-11-2
Penn State 17-16
Purdue 4-5
Wisconsin 4-8-1

Records of SEC teams vs. Big Ten:
Alabama 13-9
Arkansas 1-5
Auburn 7-3-2
Florida 9-5
Georgia 8-2
Kentucky 24-31
LSU 7-5
Mississippi 0-3
Mississippi State 2-6-1
South Carolina 3-6
Tennessee 10-5
Vanderbilt 7-17-2

 

[BB73]

Using CFBdatawarehouse as a comparison, I noted the differences in red (I've only added ties), with the total being 97-91-7.

Note that this is each current Big Ten team (not Nebraska) vs. each current SEC team. I'm not going to go back and research when each team joined the conferences and limit the games to when they were in the conferences. That's a lot of work and, even though I'm not doing REAL work, I don't want to do much other work. If I were to limit the data to certain years, I'd probably go from 1998 to now (BCS era).

Records of Big Ten teams vs. SEC:
Illinois 2-6
Indiana 26-21-1 (1893 tie vs Ky)
Iowa 5-3
Michigan 20-5-1
Michigan State 5-7-1
Minnesota 5-3
Northwestern 2-6-1
Ohio State 7-11-2
Penn State 17-16
Purdue 4-5
Wisconsin 4-8-1

Records of SEC teams vs. Big Ten:
Alabama 13-9
Arkansas 1-5
Auburn 7-3-2
Florida 9-5
Georgia 8-2
Kentucky 24-31-1 (1893 tie vs Indiana)
LSU 7-5-1 (1987 tie vs tOSU)
Mississippi 0-3
Mississippi State 2-6-1
South Carolina 3-6
Tennessee 10-5
Vanderbilt 7-17-2

 

[Gatorubet]

That 1893 Kentucky tie has always bothered me...