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Smart Car to US...Finally!

Like the idea of the synthetics - is there any external data supporting that claim?

utgrad73;1164270; said:
Other tricks for fuel savings are:

1. Keep the tires at the proper pressure summer to winter. Filling them with nitrogen will keep them at recommended pressure (N2 doesn't expand or contract with temperature changes).
Yes it does - hot air is hot air and expands in an entirely predictable fashion.
utgrad73;1164270; said:
2. Alignment - keep the wheels pointing straight.

3. Spark plugs - switch to the platinum type tipped plugs, Splitfires etc. They ignite the mixture better and improve starts

4. Driving style - drive like you have an egg under gas pedal. This is a lesson I need to teach my 17 year old.
This old lady driving style is actually the basis for one the few gizmos that might save you gas money that Fuel Mizer.

utgrad73;1164270; said:
5. Wash and wax the exterior. Drag plays a large part in how well the body slips through the air. A C6 Corvette gets 30 MPG at cruising speeds with a hi perf V8.
If you have racks or similar carrying devices on the roof, take them off if not needed. Interruption of airflow affects SUV/Trucks/Jeeps just as it does a dragster.

utgrad73;1164270; said:
My book will be selling at Barnes and Noble this summer (as soon as I write it) :biggrin:
 
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sandgk;1166646; said:
Yes it does - hot air is hot air and expands in an entirely predictable fashion.

According to this article, it doesn't, at least not as much:

I've only recently begun to hear about the push to put nitrogen in tires, though this is a common practice in Nascar. As I understand it, there are a few slight advantages. Your tires stay inflated longer, in theory, because nitrogen leaks out more slowly than air. (Of course, if you check your tire pressure regularly, as you should, that doesn't matter much.) Nor does nitrogen expand or contract as much as the tire heats and cools, so the pressure stays constant; in theory, at least, that could lengthen the tires' life a little. And the switch benefits the shareholders of companies like Air Products, which make nitrogen inflation systems for auto dealerships.
 
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sandgk;1166646; said:
Like the idea of the synthetics - is there any external data supporting that claim?

Yes it does - hot air is hot air and expands in an entirely predictable fashion.

This old lady driving style is actually the basis for one the few gizmos that might save you gas money that Fuel Mizer.

If you have racks or similar carrying devices on the roof, take them off if not needed. Interruption of airflow affects SUV/Trucks/Jeeps just as it does a dragster.

I use Amsoil. It faired well against the leading brands including Mobil 1. I think these tests results support what was said about synthetics lasting longer with better perfomance under extreme conditions including fuel dilution. I noticed the fuel dilution problem when I send oil samples away to a lab in Cleveland. The report came back with fuel in the oil. It told me there was a rich condition on a multiple carb setup on the old classic Chevy I owned. It turned out the front carb had the metering orifice mixed up with the rear. Switched them around, test the oil again after a typical interval and the problem was solved. Left alone and the main and rod bearings would have been toast.

AMSOIL - Comparative Motor Oil Testing

The Thin Film Oxygen Uptake Test (TFOUT) is used to evaluate engine oil?s ability to resist heat and oxygen breakdown when contaminated with oxidized/nitrated fuel, water, and soluble metals such as lead, copper, iron, manganese and silicon. This test is designed to mimic the operating conditions of a gasoline engine.
AMSOIL 10W-30 Synthetic Motor Oil has superior heat and oxidation resistance to control sludge deposits and extend oil life. Engines stay clean for maximum protection and oil changes are reduced, saving time and money.

Nitrogen has many positive effects one of which is that it's inert. It won't oxidize and won't support combustion. There's also some basic chemistry at work here (Boyles/Charles law) in terms of the gas expansion at temperature.

Nitrogen Information

Tailgates add drag too just like roof racks. Reduce the drag over the body, reduce the friction through the air, improve fuel economy. Of course, as my Dad used to tell me - "there's a loose nut behind the steering wheel" and "you'll never have any trouble with that thing if you leave the hood down". My steering wheel is still loose 40 years later and the hood is up more than it's down. A boy has to play.
 
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mooktarr;1166555; said:
I would like a smart car with a GM 400cu. engine. please.

It's possible with a '53 VW bug with a Pontiac 400. Why not a Smart car? Problem: driver is on the roof. :biggrin:

I'll take the bug with a Cadillac Northstar V8.

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FKAGobucks877;1166618; said:
The problem isn't that the car makers don't think we want it, the problem is that the oil industry has its hands in everything, and they don't want us to want it. Nor do they want any type of "progress" made that takes away from the use of gas (therefore the use of oil, and therefore their profit). The technology is there without question.

i can believe this to a point. however, the mere existence of this tech in other countries tells me that public demand is also very important and isn't stopping innovation. further, when car companies found their consumers were using biodiesel in their diesel trucks (this requires fuel lines to be changed as biodiesel is very corrosive), they almost immediately changed the type of fuel lines they used to become biodiesel friendly. they of course don't endorse the use and im pretty sure it will void your warranty. but then, that only makes sense. i wouldn't want to fulfill warranty obligations when my customer is "brewing" his own fuel in his garage with no official oversight involved.

But alternative fuel sources aren't seriously being investigated...it wouldn't be a problem to power a vehicle using electricity or a million other things...but until they are forced to do it, car manufacturers won't do it, because it costs money to change things, and until the government can segregate itself from the oil conglomerates, it won't happen.

i have to disagree here. ive been on the lookout for a new truck for the last 3 years. specifically i am interested in a mid range turbo diesel v6 with good gas mileage. reason im interested in diesel is because of the power it produces, reliability, and the wide array of fuels it can support. at the time i was specifically interested in biodiesel. in researching biodiesel i started researching a wide array of alternative fuel sources.

what i found is simply put, they all pretty much suck to some degree. none of them are nearly as affective as fossil fuels. none of them are nearly as adaptive, efficient, or as easily obtainable and some are guilty of being all the above. which is why fossil fuels likely won out in the first place.

electric - power is largely produced by burning fossil fuels or coal. net gain - 0. in fact, my understanding of the fuel problem is that our cars amount to roughly 30% of america's fossil fuel demands. the other 70% goes to industry. if we all went to electric only cars our fossil fuel consumption as a country would likely go up, not down.

hydrogen - about as ready for the consumer market as fission power plants. the most intelligent of the ideas with the most impact both performance and environment wise. but as of the last time i researched it, the only cost effective way to produce hydrogen was... you guessed it, from fossil fuels.

e85 - :slappy:pretty much the joke of alternative fuels. unless you live in the corn belt anyway. if we planted corn in every field in the US including your back yard, we still wouldn't be able to produce enough e85 to meet our fuel demands.

biodiesel - largely ineffective in cold climates. some very interesting work has been done to address this issue. however, none of it is currently recommended by any reputable community nor has it gone through anything resembling a long term study as the people doing the testing are largely back yard mechanics. no official organization recommends using blends above 20% biodiesel and anything above that will void the hell out of any warranty you have. biodiesel, while imo the most interesting and plausible of the group is very much an "at your own risk" endeavor at present. for the average 9 to 5 schmo its a rather daunting concept.
 
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martinss01;1167228; said:
electric - power is largely produced by burning fossil fuels or coal. net gain - 0. in fact, my understanding of the fuel problem is that our cars amount to roughly 30% of america's fossil fuel demands. the other 70% goes to industry. if we all went to electric only cars our fossil fuel consumption as a country would likely go up, not down.

hydrogen - about as ready for the consumer market as fission power plants. the most intelligent of the ideas with the most impact both performance and environment wise. but as of the last time i researched it, the only cost effective way to produce hydrogen was... you guessed it, from fossil fuels.

e85 - :slappy:pretty much the joke of alternative fuels. unless you live in the corn belt anyway. if we planted corn in every field in the US including your back yard, we still wouldn't be able to produce enough e85 to meet our fuel demands.

No single alternative fuel source can run our country tomorrow. It's a stepwise process that will take decades. I think a combination of the three, depending on what's useful in the particular region of the country you're in, will work best in the short(er) term.

Most estimates I've read have shown that electric is the easiest to scale up. More than 50% of our power comes from coal - so while we won't be doing much to help the environment if we went all electric, we would directly reduce our dependence on oil. Still not a permanent solution, but could be if we had the right power infrastructure.

I doubt electricity would work for commercial trucks and other heavy duty vehicles. For city commuters it would be viable, as long as everyone does most of their charging up during the night.

The ideal solution is if we were almost completely nuclear. We'd have way more energy to throw around for hydrogen and electric powered cars.

I think folks in the Southwest have the best shot at electric cars in the very near term. Solar charging stations could be built into parking garages or homes and could take a dent out of the additional demand brought on by electric cars.
 
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Maybe I'm just mentally retarded, but we do create electricity, correct? I mean, why are we limited to burning coal to get power? There's always wind, water, and nuclear, yes?

Just give me a battery the size of an engine in my car. I'll plug it in every night, and it'll last fine for days on end. :wink2:
 
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DaytonBuck;1167274; said:
Aren't electric cars somewhat pointless in regards to their climate change impact?

Yup. But if it's a choice between climate change, or prohibitively expensive transportation, I'd be willing to bet we'd take climate change. After all, that's what we've been doing up until now, anyway.

FKAGobucks877;1167278; said:
Maybe I'm just mentally retarded, but we do create electricity, correct? I mean, why are we limited to burning coal to get power? There's always wind, water, and nuclear, yes?

Right, we can scale up electrical production a heck of a lot easier than we can scale up petroleum production. The infrastructure is easier to change.
 
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Funny that we use mostly coal to make clean electricity. But that's just the way that power plants are set up now. A process is coming in use now that "cleans" up the coal being used(Fuel Tech). That will help.

Detroit is responsible for getting rid of the cable car systems in most large cities(bribes and Cadillacs to people in power). Even the small town I grew up in once had a cable car system. (gone before my birth :biggrin:) We could see a comeback of sorts in mass transit in large cities.
Things will have to change. We will have to change.

Big oil billionaire Boone Pickens has been on TV recently pushing wind power. He's building this countries biggest "wind farm" in Texas. He believes in natural gas, also. So do I (invested there).

I'm going to all synthetic oil my next oil change and see if I can squeeze another couple mpg out. Worth a shot.
 
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DaytonBuck;1167274; said:
Aren't electric cars somewhat pointless in regards to their climate change impact?

"A jug fills drop by drop" Every little thing helps. Sounds like your not buying climate change. Maybe when the next President makes it part of a
national security strategy your mind will change.
 
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Taosman;1167346; said:
"A jug fills drop by drop" Every little thing helps. Sounds like your not buying climate change. Maybe when the next President makes it part of a
national security strategy your mind will change.

I think he means that we will just burn more coal to produce the electricity for the increase in demand that would come with all cars running on it.
 
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The west has much open space, still. So we could go solar voltaic and wind power easier than nuke. But we will still need some nuke power. And we have vast stores of natural gas that could power vehicles if wind power takes it's place in electricity production. Rising oil and gasoline prices make this all much more competitive.
 
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BUCKYLE;1167348; said:
I think he means that we will just burn more coal to produce the electricity for the increase in demand that would come with all cars running on it.

We have vast stores of coal and natural gas that should be tapped. Will have to be tapped for national security. It's either that or change your religion to Islam.
 
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rocketman;1167272; said:
Most estimates I've read have shown that electric is the easiest to scale up. More than 50% of our power comes from coal - so while we won't be doing much to help the environment if we went all electric, we would directly reduce our dependence on oil. Still not a permanent solution, but could be if we had the right power infrastructure.

we as a country are not self reliant for our power requirements as is. to build up our infrastructure to the point of handling the influx of all day to day driving in addition to our current power demands would require trillions of dollars thrown into power plants. maybe more. and thats not the only hidden cost with electric.

I doubt electricity would work for commercial trucks and other heavy duty vehicles. For city commuters it would be viable, as long as everyone does most of their charging up during the night.

or anyone who isn't interested in going directly to work and directly home afterwords. i don't think people realize exactly how much freedom you sacrifice with electric. you are literally locking yourself in to only traveling as far as a "charge" can take you in a day. that may not sound like a big deal. but any trip across a state like ohio to see the parents is either going to have to be done by bus, plane, or what may have normally taken a couple hours will now take a couple of days. if i have an electric car with a range of 400 miles and i want to travel to my aunt's who lives 420 miles away. i have to stay at a motel to charge my car both on the way there and on the way back.

think about your yearly life for a moment. how many times per year do you drive somewhere that takes more than 1 tank of gas to get to? imagine that every additional tank of gas required a full nights stay at a motel.

what happens in a natural disaster? if you live in say florida and a hurricane is coming up the atlantic what on earth do you do? you can travel a max of 400 miles a day. then stop and charge for 10 or so hours. it could literally take days to get out of the state depending on where you live. let alone to a safe area. what kind of lead time would you need just to grab a change of clothes and get out in time? not to mention the logistical nightmare that would come with trying to support such a mass exodus. it takes minutes to fill up a gas tank and a gas station has the ability to fuel thousands of cars. imagine a charge station that is limited by the number of rooms it possesses because your not just charging the car. you have to have accommodations for as many as 2 adults and children. whats the ratio of charge stations to gas stations the average town/city would require? i can't imagine but its gotta be a big number.

The ideal solution is if we were almost completely nuclear. We'd have way more energy to throw around for hydrogen and electric powered cars.

because of our current foreign policy nuclear is not an option. we can't tell other countries they can't have nuke weapons or the power stations many would need to create them and build them ourselves. its just not realistic.
 
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