Should semipro/college players be paid, or allowed to sell their stuff? (NIL and Revenue Sharing)

[Dryden]

Would be the easiest job in history at some schools, fucking suicide mission in others

Could you imagine trying that job at Mississippi State? WTF would you do once you hit the 4-5 alumni used car dealerships?

Their 2 star QB's deal: "Jimmy Joe Jimbob Johnson here for Earl's payday loan and bait shop of Starkville."

Was thinking about this earlier. My inclination is that what’s happened at QB (all the top 10 teams have an elite QB, nobody has two) will trickle down to other position groups.

Fred Ricart Jr isn’t paying Chambers or Crowley $5k for an appearance fee, that’s JK Dobbins and Master Teague money.

Will kids sit around and wait two years for their turn to be the guy if they can paid elsewhere? They already leave when they’re unhappy with playing time and touches, imagine the locker room environment when the starters have stacks of cash and the scout team is still eating ramen and still don’t get training table and tutor benefits.

And men’s basketball? Shit. If you’re not one of the top 7 guys your freshman year, you’re gone.

 

[BuckBuckTN]

If colleges can pay, the NFL and NBA can cut out the middle man and start drafting high schoolers, start paying them in the "D-league" and already have their rights, and f&+k college.

If you're a "one and done" or even a "two and done" caliber prospect, why go to college? Hone your skills with the pros post-HS.

There's zero upside for a Zeke or Haskins caliber player to waste time at tOSU instead of starting a pro career ASAP and training at the pro level ASAP.

Bottom line: paying players is the beginning of the end for big-time college sports.

 

[Jaxbuck]

Bottom line: paying players is the beginning of the end for big-time college sports.

as we know it, yes.

I have zero issue with Ohio State being a "D-League" team. What's the difference to us, the fan?

Keep real life Wednesday's/things that help develop them for professions (football and other), make sure they have the ability to go to school later when football is done, give them health care, insert some things I'm not thinking of.

Europeans do a version of this for kids much younger in soccer and basketball. It's not the end of the world.

 

[buckeyebri]

College athletics should go back to its original amateur intent. You get a scholarship to go to school and play a sport. One actually comes to play school.

Setup the D league and let kids go directly from high school if they have the skills.

The problem for big time programs like tOSU is the cash cow that football is. They’re all in scramble mode trying to figure out how to protect the money.

 

[buchtelgrad04]

Yeah...the sanctity of college sports is going to die because the the talent wants to be paid. *eye roll*

Such a lazy take. No idea why people are so married to the idea (sham) of amateurism. How does that make the GAMES better?

 

[zincfinger]

Yeah...the sanctity of college sports is going to die because the the talent wants to be paid. *eye roll*

Such a lazy take. No idea why people are so married to the idea (sham) of amateurism. How does that make the GAMES better?

And clearly, dismissing an opinion by calling it a lazy take and typing "eye roll" is not a particularly meticulous counter argument.

But to your question, people watch college football for reasons beyond how good the GAMES are. If you want to watch the best football players, playing the best football, you will be like I was when I was a kid and watch the NFL, with no interest whatsoever in college ball. If you're just looking for games that are competitive, with the occasional surprising or dramatic ending, you can find that at literally any level of football. People watch college football specifically for two main reasons:

(1) Connection to the University, and
(2) Connection to its traditions.

These are obviously related, and can be boiled down to regional pride, state pride, pride in your alma mater. That is the driver of interest in college football.

The problem for many is that paying the players large sums of money is another step in the evolution of breaking those connections. Small steps have already taken place in that evolution, like admitting players with pet Fuck Lions who would otherwise be laughed out of admissions, armies of "tutors" to do players schoolwork for them and guide them through their for-football majors, and the establishment of princely facilities that would make Jeff Bezos blush, for the teams to workout and hangout in. Strong fan interest has survived these things.

Paying the players large annual sums would be another big step in the divorce between the money sports teams and the Universities, at least for many fans. The next step after that would be that the players need no longer be enrolled in the school, at which point, the divorce would be more-or-less complete.

I am very confident that some fans will lose interest and stop following college football as the teams become more obviously mercenary entities with no real connection to the Universities whose jerseys they wear. Neither you nor I have any real idea how big a percentage that will be at any given step in the divorce, but I suspect it will be a pretty big percentage at the final step. And when, and if, a large portion of the fan base loses interest, that will ironically be the point at which money is removed from "big time college athletics."

 

[Systems_id]

And clearly, dismissing an opinion by calling it a lazy take and typing "eye roll" is not a particularly meticulous counter argument.

But to your question, people watch college football for reasons beyond how good the GAMES are. If you want to watch the best football players, playing the best football, you will be like I was when I was a kid and watch the NFL, with no interest whatsoever in college ball. If you're just looking for games that are competitive, with the occasional surprising or dramatic ending, you can find that at literally any level of football. People watch college football specifically for two main reasons:

(1) Connection to the University, and
(2) Connection to its traditions.

These are obviously related, and can be boiled down to regional pride, state pride, pride in your alma mater. That is the driver of interest in college football.

The problem for many is that paying the players large sums of money is another step in the evolution of breaking those connections. Small steps have already taken place in that evolution, like admitting players with pet Fuck Lions who would otherwise be laughed out of admissions, armies of "tutors" to do players schoolwork for them and guide them through their for-football majors, and the establishment of princely facilities that would make Jeff Bezos blush, for the teams to workout and hangout in. Strong fan interest has survived these things.

Paying the players large annual sums would be another big step in the divorce between the money sports teams and the Universities, at least for many fans. The next step after that would be that the players need no longer be enrolled in the school, at which point, the divorce would be more-or-less complete.

I am very confident that some fans will lose interest and stop following college football as the teams become more obviously mercenary entities with no real connection to the Universities whose jerseys they wear. Neither you nor I have any real idea how big a percentage that will be at any given step in the divorce, but I suspect it will be a pretty big percentage at the final step. And when, and if, a large portion of the fan base loses interest, that will ironically be the point at which money is removed from "big time college athletics."

LOL considering how ravenous the SEC fanbase continues to be despite pay for play practically being an open secret down south, I HIGHLY doubt players getting paid openly is going to affect fan interest.

College sports is the most monetized its ever been yet popularity has skyrocketed over the years. Players getting paid openly isn't going to change that.

 

[LovelandBuckeye]

Do the players still need to remain academically eligible? If they are paid does C. Jones play school or not?

That will have to be worked out among 1 or maybe 100 other things.

 

[Nigel Tufnel]

And clearly, dismissing an opinion by calling it a lazy take and typing "eye roll" is not a particularly meticulous counter argument.

But to your question, people watch college football for reasons beyond how good the GAMES are. If you want to watch the best football players, playing the best football, you will be like I was when I was a kid and watch the NFL, with no interest whatsoever in college ball. If you're just looking for games that are competitive, with the occasional surprising or dramatic ending, you can find that at literally any level of football. People watch college football specifically for two main reasons:

(1) Connection to the University, and
(2) Connection to its traditions.

These are obviously related, and can be boiled down to regional pride, state pride, pride in your alma mater. That is the driver of interest in college football.

The problem for many is that paying the players large sums of money is another step in the evolution of breaking those connections. Small steps have already taken place in that evolution, like admitting players with pet Fuck Lions who would otherwise be laughed out of admissions, armies of "tutors" to do players schoolwork for them and guide them through their for-football majors, and the establishment of princely facilities that would make Jeff Bezos blush, for the teams to workout and hangout in. Strong fan interest has survived these things.

Paying the players large annual sums would be another big step in the divorce between the money sports teams and the Universities, at least for many fans. The next step after that would be that the players need no longer be enrolled in the school, at which point, the divorce would be more-or-less complete.

I am very confident that some fans will lose interest and stop following college football as the teams become more obviously mercenary entities with no real connection to the Universities whose jerseys they wear. Neither you nor I have any real idea how big a percentage that will be at any given step in the divorce, but I suspect it will be a pretty big percentage at the final step. And when, and if, a large portion of the fan base loses interest, that will ironically be the point at which money is removed from "big time college athletics."

Agreed that if the student athlete is no longer a student at all, I’m out and I suspect many others would be.
An aside, I just wanna know what a pet Fuck Lion is. Lol

 

[buchtelgrad04]

And clearly, dismissing an opinion by calling it a lazy take and typing "eye roll" is not a particularly meticulous counter argument.

But to your question, people watch college football for reasons beyond how good the GAMES are. If you want to watch the best football players, playing the best football, you will be like I was when I was a kid and watch the NFL, with no interest whatsoever in college ball. If you're just looking for games that are competitive, with the occasional surprising or dramatic ending, you can find that at literally any level of football. People watch college football specifically for two main reasons:

(1) Connection to the University, and
(2) Connection to its traditions.

These are obviously related, and can be boiled down to regional pride, state pride, pride in your alma mater. That is the driver of interest in college football.

The problem for many is that paying the players large sums of money is another step in the evolution of breaking those connections. Small steps have already taken place in that evolution, like admitting players with pet Fuck Lions who would otherwise be laughed out of admissions, armies of "tutors" to do players schoolwork for them and guide them through their for-football majors, and the establishment of princely facilities that would make Jeff Bezos blush, for the teams to workout and hangout in. Strong fan interest has survived these things.

Paying the players large annual sums would be another big step in the divorce between the money sports teams and the Universities, at least for many fans. The next step after that would be that the players need no longer be enrolled in the school, at which point, the divorce would be more-or-less complete.

I am very confident that some fans will lose interest and stop following college football as the teams become more obviously mercenary entities with no real connection to the Universities whose jerseys they wear. Neither you nor I have any real idea how big a percentage that will be at any given step in the divorce, but I suspect it will be a pretty big percentage at the final step. And when, and if, a large portion of the fan base loses interest, that will ironically be the point at which money is removed from "big time college athletics."

Yes, it’s lazy especially when you've acknowledged kids have no control over choosing their own major and are funneled into football friendly majors strictly for the benefit/profit of the athletic department. But them getting paid will be the straw that breaks the camels back?

A major sports network is in control of college football. Effectively changing the rules for their vested interests. But players getting paid will ruin the game for fans?

College teams are charging an OUTRAGEOUS amount of money for tickets, and people still find a way to the games. But they’ll stop attending/watching because somebody else is getting some money?

How would them getting money (for their own likeness, btw) make people root for them any less? Other than jealousy, there’s no reason.

Does them getting paid change how they will play on the field?

 

[zincfinger]

Agreed that if the student athlete is no longer a student at all, I’m out and I suspect many others would be.
An aside, I just wanna know what a pet Fuck Lion is. Lol

A reference to Marques Slocum, one of the many Michigan Men who was good enough to play at Alabama and smart enough to get into MIT...

(and who was being admitted to UM despite failing to meet bare minimum NCAA academic eligibility requirements, but never ended up being an impact player).

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

Yes, it’s lazy especially when you've acknowledged kids have no control over choosing their own major and are funneled into football friendly majors strictly for the benefit/profit of the athletic department. But them getting paid will be the straw that breaks the camels back?

You're not joking, are you. So... let me see if I understand you... Ohio State forced Craig Krenzel to major in molecular biology. Is that what you're saying?

A major sports network is in control of college football. Effectively changing the rules for their vested interests. But players getting paid will ruin the game for fans?

That same network has also been driving the whole "Pay em" narrative for at least the last 5 years. If your objection to the network is how they are "controlling football," this might not be the hill you want to run up to die on.

College teams are charging an OUTRAGEOUS amount of money for tickets, and people still find a way to the games. But they’ll stop attending/watching because somebody else is getting some money?

I think we are at a bit of a breaking point here as it is. I agree that it is WAY too much money to go sit like a sardine to watch Ohio State drop 76 points on Miami of Ohio, and ... in case you haven't been paying attention... game attendance across the sport has been in decline.

Does them getting paid change how they will play on the field?

Are you serious? Denzel Ward sat out an entire game so as not to risk his getting paid. I'd say that constitutes a significant change in his "play on the field" up to that point.
Moreover, money certainly does change how a player plays. Ever heard the term "contract year?"

 

[Nigel Tufnel]

A reference to Marques Slocum, one of the many Michigan Men who was good enough to play at Alabama and smart enough to get into MIT...

(and who was being admitted to UM despite failing to meet bare minimum NCAA academic eligibility requirements, but never ended up being an impact player).

I am saddened and embarrassed that I missed this gem from 2005. Leaders and Best indeed.

I’m just guessing that Slocum may have fallen on hard times. If so, I wonder if he’d be willing to part with that Fuck Lion at a discount. Might be interested.

 

[buchtelgrad04]

@Buckeyeskickbuttocks

You're not joking, are you. So... let me see if I understand you... Ohio State forced Craig Krenzel to major in molecular biology. Is that what you're saying?

An exception does not make the rule. Also, Craig Krenzel works in sales. Do you think he was able to maximize his time building connections and interning in his field? Are you really oblivious that this is going on?

http://dailyorange.com/2018/02/su-athletes-said-forced-majors-not-want-following-national-trend/

That same network has also been driving the whole "Pay em" narrative for at least the last 5 years. If your objection to the network is how they are "controlling football," this might not be the hill you want to run up to die on.

Is the network driving that narrative or are you making things up? There are people on both sides of the argument that are on ESPN. They literally just had Tim Tebow saying college athletes shouldn’t be paid on ESPN. Some agreed and some disagreed.

I think we are at a bit of a breaking point here as it is. I agree that it is WAY too much money to go sit like a sardine to watch Ohio State drop 76 points on Miami of Ohio, and ... in case you haven't been paying attention... game attendance across the sport has been in decline.

And apparently something that has absolutely no impact on you or your pockets will be the final nail in the coffin, right?

Are you serious? Denzel Ward sat out an entire game so as not to risk his getting paid. I'd say that constitutes a significant change in his "play on the field" up to that point.
Moreover, money certainly does change how a player plays. Ever heard the term "contract year?"

Denzel sat out because he was protecting his draft position. That has nothing to do with a player getting paid for his likeness. You can’t sit out to “protect your likeness.” Did you not think about the difference before you typed it?

 

[Jaxbuck]

You can’t sit out to “protect your likeness.”

We has a tsun RB sit out to protect his hymen and undrafted free agent status

Not really germane, just thought I'd mention it