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They're still over there spinning post after post that Saban was a done deal only to be fucked up by Powers and Mack for ego reasons. It might have been pre-interwebs, but I certainly didn't see this maniacal need to believe that Ohio State is the greatest job in the world and atop everyone's dream job list after we were spurned by our top couple of choices before hiring a 1-AA coach.

OSU is a destination job........but only for some people. Texas, Alabama, USC, and a few others are as well.

I feel Texas will get a name or at least someone who will become a name, but there has to be a reason for that person to go there. Not just looking at the top coaches in football.
 
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OSU is a destination job........but only for some people. Texas, Alabama, USC, and a few others are as well.

I feel Texas will get a name or at least someone who will become a name, but there has to be a reason for that person to go there. Not just looking at the top coaches in football.
"Destination job" is a very subjective term. Look at some of the big openings from the past few years...tOSU, scUM, Florida, USC x2, Ped Aggy, Tennecheat, Texas. tOSU lucked out in having a homegrown guy who just happened to be available and considered one of the top 2-3 coaches in the game. If, God forbid, Urban wasn't available, who knows who we'd have ended up with (Pelini?). Florida settled for a hot coordinator who appears to be in way over his head. scUM had to settle for the fat garbageman, and that isn't going so well. USC, for all of its attractive qualities (location, recruiting base, recent success, tradition) struggled mightily in both searches the last 5 years and just had to settle for a slightly >.500 career coach that most consider seriously underwhelming. Ped Aggy had the scandel looming, but I don't think following pedterno would have been particularly attractive to anybody. Tennessee whiffed on countless coaches in both 2009 and 2012 and had to settle for a woefully unqualified <.500 Sun Belt coach and Butch Jones.

There just aren't that many established "great coaches" out there, and more often than not they're more inclined to stay where they are if they're having some semblance of success.
 
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Hell, aside from Urban, how many really good to great hires have there been? FSU and Auburn appear to have done well for themselves, but neither Jimbo Fisher or Malzahn were "established" HCs when they took those jobs. And they both had apprenticeships at those schools before taking over. Notre Dame got one really good year out of Brian Kelly, but there's no guarantee he'll replicate that success. They're essentially irrelevent again after this season.

So far, it looks like Washington, of all places, made the biggest "splash" luring a guy who has been mentioned for every major job opening the last 4-5 years. And given the success of Boise coaches (head and coordinators) once they leave the potato farm, he's no sure thing, IMO.
 
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"Destination job" is a very subjective term. Look at some of the big openings from the past few years...tOSU, scUM, Florida, USC x2, Ped Aggy, Tennecheat, Texas. tOSU lucked out in having a homegrown guy who just happened to be available and considered one of the top 2-3 coaches in the game. If, God forbid, Urban wasn't available, who knows who we'd have ended up with (Pelini?). Florida settled for a hot coordinator who appears to be in way over his head. scUM had to settle for the fat garbageman, and that isn't going so well. USC, for all of its attractive qualities (location, recruiting base, recent success, tradition) struggled mightily in both searches the last 5 years and just had to settle for a slightly >.500 career coach that most consider seriously underwhelming. Ped Aggy had the scandel looming, but I don't think following pedterno would have been particularly attractive to anybody. Tennessee whiffed on countless coaches in both 2009 and 2012 and had to settle for a woefully unqualified <.500 Sun Belt coach and Butch Jones.

There just aren't that many established "great coaches" out there, and more often than not they're more inclined to stay where they are if they're having some semblance of success.
Don't disagree with you at all. Destination job to me means a place where a person wouldn't mind retiring from, not just a stepping stone to another job. Does that mean every big name coach would want to go there? No. That's why I added someone that could become a name.
 
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Don't disagree with you at all. Destination job to me means a place where a person wouldn't mind retiring from, not just a stepping stone to another job. Does that mean every big name coach would want to go there? No. That's why I added someone that could become a name.
Exactly. That's why I think Texas folks are setting themselves up for a big disappointment. If they nab a hot young name like Franklin or somebody similar, that fanbase is going to hate him because he isn't Saban or Gruden. Some programs think it's their God given right to have the best coaches beating down the door to take their job. That just isn't the case these days. There aren't many established "great" coaches out there.

Last year, nobody had Malzahn tabbed as a "great" HC, and look what he's done in one year. From 3-9 to a BCSCG-game berth is a remarkable achievement.
 
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It works the other way, too. Everybody was lauding Ourkansas stealing Bert from Wiscy as he was considered an "established" coach with a strong resume. They didn't bother to look deeper. Bert took advantage of a very down B1G and rode an established system. Yank him out of those comforts, and he goes 3-9 and winless in a down SEC.
 
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It works the other way, too. Everybody was lauding Ourkansas stealing Bert from Wiscy as he was considered an "established" coach with a strong resume. They didn't bother to look deeper. Bert took advantage of a very down B1G and rode an established system. Yank him out of those comforts, and he goes 3-9 and winless in a down SEC.

And Wisky ended up with a better coach than they lost.
 
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It works the other way, too. Everybody was lauding Ourkansas stealing Bert from Wiscy as he was considered an "established" coach with a strong resume. They didn't bother to look deeper. Bert took advantage of a very down B1G and rode an established system. Yank him out of those comforts, and he goes 3-9 and winless in a down SEC.

Couldn't have happened to a more deserving guy.
 
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I'm waiting for the full-moon-bi-polar-meltdown-spectacular that will take place on BWI if Buttchins Bob takes his act to non-probation pastures. The guy has worked a miracle there for 2 years to keep that program going, let alone pull off wins over Michigan and Wisconsin. Frankly, an argument could be made that he's produced two of the conferences best QBs in his short tenure, certainly the best freshman in 2013.
 
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I'm waiting for the full-moon-bi-polar-meltdown-spectacular that will take place on BWI if Buttchins Bob takes his act to non-probation pastures. The guy has worked a miracle there for 2 years to keep that program going, let alone pull off wins over Michigan and Wisconsin. Frankly, an argument could be made that he's produced two of the conferences best QBs in his short tenure, certainly the best freshman in 2013.
I don't think the probation is much of a hinderance anymore since the spineless ncaa already repealed the scholly limits. You can bet the bowl ban is removed soon. I just think he's an NFL coach biding his time. Once he leaves though, that job isn't nearly as attractive as the cult thinks it is. There's still a stigma around the program. I think they'll struggle to find a replacement, and end up with some second-tier guy like Tennecheat did with Butch Jones. I don't know if he leaves this year, but when the flirting goes on after every season, it's a matter of time until he and the NFL fornicate.
 
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Yep, for the greatest program in the history of college football, they certainly don't seem to grow much home grown head coaching talent. Personally, I can't wait for the meltdown when it becomes apparent exactly how coveted that job is.

I have to think that there is some Texas big school high school genius like Malzhan somewhere in that state. Not that Belmont would ever seriously entertain hiring a high school coach ... just that there has got to be a couple future HoF college coaches kicking around somewhere so that Austin could grow their own coaching tree.
 
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It works the other way, too. Everybody was lauding Ourkansas stealing Bert from Wiscy as he was considered an "established" coach with a strong resume. They didn't bother to look deeper. Bert took advantage of a very down B1G and rode an established system. Yank him out of those comforts, and he goes 3-9 and winless in a down SEC.

Lurked some Arkansas boards awhile ago and a number of rational posters saw a season like this as a possibility no matter who they hired. Petrino did not have a very balanced approach to recruiting that would yield a sustainable program with year-upon-year depth. Bobby got skill guys on both sides of the ball but really struggled to reel in quality DLs and LBs. Took a cursory glance at his recruiting classes from 08-11 on Scout and I don't see a single player in the defensive front 7 that was better than a 3-star. They were taking A TON of JUCOs and fighting Sun Belt and Big XII doormats for the majority of the defensive guys. Bielema got there and went with the decision to redshirt basically everybody because the depth chart was going to need an overhaul.

He probably should have won two or three games (and they blew a couple winnable ones), but I don't know anybody that saw them winning the SEC West this year with that roster.
 
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Lurked some Arkansas boards awhile ago and a number of rational posters saw a season like this as a possibility no matter who they hired. Petrino did not have a very balanced approach to recruiting that would yield a sustainable program with year-upon-year depth. Bobby got skill guys on both sides of the ball but really struggled to reel in quality DLs and LBs. Took a cursory glance at his recruiting classes from 08-11 on Scout and I don't see a single player in the defensive front 7 that was better than a 3-star. They were taking A TON of JUCOs and fighting Sun Belt and Big XII doormats for the majority of the defensive guys. Bielema got there and went with the decision to redshirt basically everybody because the depth chart was going to need an overhaul.

He probably should have won two or three games (and they blew a couple winnable ones), but I don't know anybody that saw them winning the SEC West this year with that roster.
Oh, no doubt. Not to mention Petrino recruited for a totally different kind of offense. I don't think anybody expected Bert to win the division or anything, but 3-9/0-8 is just ghastly...especially when the SEC wasn't particularly good this year overall. Not to mention his bubble-brained wife mixing it up on twitter. He recruited a nice running back this year who got 1000 yards, and I think given time he can make them at least competitive, but I don't think the brand of football he was successful with at Wiscy is going to get them very far without Bammer's recruiting pull. Plus, SEC teams aren't exactly patient with their coaches. And Arkansas, despite being barely a blip on the radar the last quarter century, still has a fanbase/boosters that think they should be a top program. I'll be surprised if he makes it to a fourth year there.
 
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