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SF David Lighty (Most Career Buckeye Wins, ASVEL Lyon-Villeurbanne Basket - France)

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fourteenandoh said:
do they want him to return for the tourney, or as some have said (right or wrong) will he redshirt this year? i would think he played too much to get a redshirt, but what do i know?
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I think I've seen 30% as the target number of games played to still apply for a medical redshirt.

David played in 7 games. The buckeyes will end up with about 30-33 games, depending on Tournament wins. So he should be good

7/30 is less than 30%. :cool:
 
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fourteenandoh;1398700; said:
do they want him to return for the tourney, or as some have said (right or wrong) will he redshirt this year? i would think he played too much to get a redshirt, but what do i know?
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If he is ready to come back with 4-5 games left in the regular season I think you gotta bring him back...He would have those games and some in the big ten tourney...

I don't want to sound crazy or anything but other than pg this team has the parts to make a run, and the Simmons/Hill duo is only getting better and we saw tonight that Turner can play there...
 
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DZ83CK;1395923; said:
Lighty likely won't be back in Week 6, which was the best-case scenario, as we're already in the middle of Week 6.

I'm starting to think the OSU team doctors are becoming an obstacle that they shouldn't be. I mean, this was an injury that Xavier's Lionel Chalmers came back from in 5.5 weeks. This is an injury that OSU still doesn't know how long it's going to take Lighty to get back from. Consider some other cases - Kansas' Brandon Rush returned to play (and was in fact actually playing in college games) after having ACL surgery in 5.5 months; Walter Offutt was held out of pickup ball until 7.5 months had elapsed from his surgery and I'm sure the extraordinary precaution taken with Offutt has held back his conditioning this season. It's possible that Greg Oden could've played against North Carolina his freshman year, but he wasn't given a strength test prior to that game - they didn't test him in-between the UNC game and the prior game, they waited until after the UNC game to give him another test - but somehow he was able to play in the very next game, yet they didn't even try to see if he was strong enough to play in the UNC game??? The evidence is mounting that the OSU doctors are exercising too much caution & it's a detriment to the team. You also have the Kecman surgery, which was somehow put off until Jan. 29th yet the injury occurred prior to the 13th - why delay it that long?

There is a difference between exercising ordinary care (compared to other doctors) and exercising extreme care. I just wish the doctors would be more ordinary and less extreme with their plans for recovery.

It seems that either the OSU medical staff isn't among the best in their field or they're being excessively careful with injuries. I think the latter is true.
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I am a little late to the party here, but man what an ignorant fucking post. Where did you go to med school? Where did you do residency? Do you really think that tOSU's med school, which is one of the best in the country, is not going to be providing the most top notch care to the athletic department?

Oh wait, your evidence that this staff is intentionally, deliberately hurting the team by holding players out for longer than they need to be is based on time it took some random player to come back from the "same injury." Do you know its the exact same injury? Did you compare the x-rays yourself? Ever think that there may be varying degrees of the same injury, which all require different healing times? Ever realize that different people heal at different speeds? Of course not, its much easier to just assume that the tOSU medical staff is deliberately hurting our athletic programs by making sure that these student athletes (who dont owe us jack shit, btw, and should be given as much time as necessary to heal) are being held out too long.

Then you say they are inferior because of the difference in healing times in ACL injuries between Walter Offutt and Brandon Rush. Besides the obvious there are very different degrees of ACL injury arguement, which would just be too easy to pound down your throat, maybe you should instead take into consideration that Walter was still attempting to recover from tearing the other fucking ACL the previous year. Ever think that that might have had some bearing on his recovery time? Of course not.

And then you bring up that Oden was held out of a completely meaningless regular season game in 2006. Who cares? It didn't freaking matter. It was one game in a season in which we went 35-4. It didnt matter at all.

It's hilarious that you sit here ripping doctors and physical therapists who have decades of training and experience, and you have NOTHING to back it up with. Show us your medical education and maybe I'll give your posts in this thread the time of day. Probably not, but maybe.

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Get better soon David.
 
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Name the last time an OSU basketball player has came back ahead of schedule/achieved the best-case scenario in a return from an injury? Maybe it's the coaching staff exhorting the medical staff to be awfully conservative, maybe it's something else. Bottom line is it looks like things always take longer when it comes to recovery from injuries in the OSU basketball program. I'm also miffed at why Kecman would have to wait a full two weeks between tearing an ACL and having surgery ... maybe he was exceedingly busy or something, but maybe he would've had the surgery earlier if a greater priority was attached to his injury by some other people. To call the OSU-UNC basketball game from 06-07 meaningless when it was the most significant regular season game sans the 49-48 Wisky game in the past four seasons says it all. The outcome of that game was the difference between OSU being the #1 overall seed and being placed in the St. Louis region, giving OSU fans a much more manageable trip and perhaps placing Florida in a more difficult region, and OSU being shipped to San Antonio as the #1 seed in the ordinarily upset-prone South Region.

I hoped Lighty would get back ASAP & it's looking like he's not going to be back in the next couple of weeks, as Matta said recently that he's "a long way away." At least I didn't pretend to base my hopes for the best-case scenario on anything more than a hope. I didn't treat an educated guess as a fact, and for some reason I get relentlessly bashed for my hopes, even when that educated guess turns out to be not as certain as it was portrayed to be.

Lighty reportedly has been cleared to do at least a little running on a treadmill now, and had been exercising on a couple other machines that don't put as much stress on the feet. I spotted him wearing normal shoes during the pregame shootaround (he was wearing street clothes and wasn't shooting at all from what I saw). In short, things are looking better than they were re: Lighty. I just hope he gets back by March.
 
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DZ83CK;1398785; said:
I'm also miffed at why Kecman would have to wait a full two weeks between tearing an ACL and having surgery ... maybe he was exceedingly busy or something, but maybe he would've had the surgery earlier if a greater priority was attached to his injury by some other people.
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Knee injuries vary with numerous factors including swelling...I've never had a player who had surgery within a week of the original trauma. Your insinuations/accusations that you are passing off as an educated guess as misguided yet you still persist in spewing them with vigor...yet you wonder why people take exception to them. What you consider an educated guess is in reality a completely clueless accusation.

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Surgery For ACL Tears


Preparing For Surgery

The initial goals before surgery are to:

  • Reduce swelling in the knee.
  • Get back the normal range of motion of the knee.
  • Walk normally. This may take anywhere from one week to as long as two months depending on how the knee responds to the initial injury).
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Edit: Added link after some very quick and basic web search for validity
 
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crazybuckfan40;1398715; said:
If he is ready to come back with 4-5 games left in the regular season I think you gotta bring him back...He would have those games and some in the big ten tourney...

I don't want to sound crazy or anything but other than pg this team has the parts to make a run, and the Simmons/Hill duo is only getting better and we saw tonight that Turner can play there...
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I agree with you that if Lighty is physically ready to play around 20 minutes a game before the Big 10 tournament begins that you bring him back. That would certainly help reduce the amount of time that the other guys have to play but David has to be physically ready to contribute.
 
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DZ83CK;1398785; said:
Name the last time an OSU basketball player has came back ahead of schedule/achieved the best-case scenario in a return from an injury? Maybe it's the coaching staff exhorting the medical staff to be awfully conservative, maybe it's something else. Bottom line is it looks like things always take longer when it comes to recovery from injuries in the OSU basketball program...
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I repeat: what is your medical basis for questioning the Ohio State training and medical staff? What qualifications do you possess to back up your point of view?
 
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BuckeyeTillIDie;1399586; said:
I guess I'm going a bit against the grain here, but I think Lighty should take the RS and come back at 100% next year with two full years of eligibility. Having him in 2010 would be awesome.
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my only objection to that is whether or not he needs the extra year and will use it. if he plays next year and averages double figures and continues to play lock down defense he will probably go pro.
 
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osu med center has been ranked as one of "americas best hospitals" for 16 straight years with over 250 of the "best doctors in america" etc
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that being said im perfectly fine with a conservative approach. they owe that to the kids imo. id rather wait a week or two and have a kid be healthy with no long term effects etc.

osu med staff>any poster on BP
 
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