Sean Taylor (R.I.P.)

[OCBucksFan]

I agree with methomps, also, I don't want to make any connections from his death with anything. At this point, very little is known, and I don't want to speculate anything, I have tried to stay out of these threads because I wasn't there, I don't know anymore than you and i don't feel it's fair to say anything other than: Rest in peace young man.

 

[tsteele316]

To say somebody is a THUG because he had TWO off field issues is stupid. You and even the media know very very little about the man. Do thugs go to one of the best prep schools in Miami. I don't know about his early life but im pretty sure he didn't live in the hood, Having a father cheif of police. It's just fucking stupid for people on here and in the media basically saying "Oh well he had it coming" because of a checkerd past.TWO THINGS..smh

and the whole ****** thing wasint directed to you

thank you and try again *snaps fingers*

lol. smh

actually, if you could pull yourself away from urban dictionary long enough to exercise some basic comprehension skills, I said that rounding up a posse to go pistol whip some guy that stole your ATV is an example of thuggish behavior, nothing more.

and secondly, nobody has ever said "he had it coming". the point being raised is that his past affiliations and decisions seem to have played a part in the event. once again, exercise some basic comprehension skills.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

Sorry, I don't see a very credible connection between this and Taylor's death.

I agree with methomps, also, I don't want to make any connections from his death with anything. At this point, very little is known, and I don't want to speculate anything, I have tried to stay out of these threads because I wasn't there, I don't know anymore than you and i don't feel it's fair to say anything other than: Rest in peace young man.

It sure seems like there has been a marked increase in violent off-the-field/court problems for both college and pro athletes over the decades, and it does pretty much coincide with the apparent withering of sportsmanship and the general attitude towards your opponent which bleeds over (pun intended) to society in general. It's cool to not have self-discipline or self-control and to do whatever the fuck your want. When so many players have that wanna-be badass attitude, many of the general public adopts the same attitude. You have guys like Michael Vick who has no remorse whatsoever in watching/causing dogs to slaughter each other and to kill dogs himself with his bare hands. You have guys like "Pacman" Jones committing assault in a nightclub, getting arrested for disorderly conduct and public intoxication, and busting up a strip club. Taylor himself had been arrested for armed assault, and ESPN showed a quote from one of his teammates who claimed that Taylor's death was "no way a burglary".

Society now glamorizes thuggish behavior both on and off the field. Young kids today "wanna be pimpin'". I have an older Asian lady friend who was born and raised here in Hawaii but attended Ohio State, got married there and lived in southern Ohio for over 30 years before moving back here a couple years ago. While in Ohio, she was a middle school counselor in Cincinnati for several years. She told me of the conversations with 12- and 13-year-old girls who flat out told her they were proud to be pregnant and that it was a status symbol to be some guy's bitch. Sorry, but back in the late '60s and early '70s when I was in middle and high school that thought process was beyond thinkable. She told me that when she first went to Ohio in the late '60s right out of high school, she was the poster girl for liberalism. She's now one of the more conservative people you'll ever meet, and she attributes her shift in philosophy to her time in Ohio and the social attitude changes over time.

I'm not sure if Oh8ch was trying to make a direct connection between today's social attitudes and Taylor's murder, but I would have to firmly agree that there is some correlation.

 

[PlanetFrnd]

Sorry, I don't see a very credible connection between this and Taylor's death.

I agree with methomps, also, I don't want to make any connections from his death with anything. At this point, very little is known, and I don't want to speculate anything, I have tried to stay out of these threads because I wasn't there, I don't know anymore than you and i don't feel it's fair to say anything other than: Rest in peace young man.

I'm just seconding methomps and OCBF... and this would probably be the appropriate place for my rants (http://www.buckeyeplanet.com/forum/1010602-post389.html & http://www.buckeyeplanet.com/forum/1010609-post391.html )

 

[methomps]

It sure seems like there has been a marked increase in violent off-the-field/court problems for both college and pro athletes over the decades, and it does pretty much coincide with the apparent withering of sportsmanship and the general attitude towards your opponent which bleeds over (pun intended) to society in general. It's cool to not have self-discipline or self-control and to do whatever the fuck your want. When so many players have that wanna-be badass attitude, many of the general public adopts the same attitude. You have guys like Michael Vick who has no remorse whatsoever in watching/causing dogs to slaughter each other and to kill dogs himself with his bare hands. You have guys like "Pacman" Jones committing assault in a nightclub, getting arrested for disorderly conduct and public intoxication, and busting up a strip club. Taylor himself had been arrested for armed assault, and ESPN showed a quote from one of his teammates who claimed that Taylor's death was "no way a burglary".

Society now glamorizes thuggish behavior both on and off the field. Young kids today "wanna be pimpin'". I have an older Asian lady friend who was born and raised here in Hawaii but attended Ohio State, got married there and lived in southern Ohio for over 30 years before moving back here a couple years ago. While in Ohio, she was a middle school counselor in Cincinnati for several years. She told me of the conversations with 12- and 13-year-old girls who flat out told her they were proud to be pregnant and that it was a status symbol to be some guy's bitch. Sorry, but back in the late '60s and early '70s when I was in middle and high school that thought process was beyond thinkable. She told me that when she first went to Ohio in the late '60s right out of high school, she was the poster girl for liberalism. She's now one of the more conservative people you'll ever meet, and she attributes her shift in philosophy to her time in Ohio and the social attitude changes over time.

I'm not sure if Oh8ch was trying to make a direct connection between today's social attitudes and Taylor's murder, but I would have to firmly agree that there is some correlation.

Antrel Rolle, the guy who said Taylor's death was "in no way a burglary," suggested that the motive may have been jealousy that Taylor made it and was distancing himself from his old contacts. That would seem to me to suggest that, if you want to look for a contributing factor or societal ill, it would be sports money, not showboating or taunting or anything, that "contributed in some way to his violent end."

Again, I can't see a meaningful connection between sportsmanship and his death. Hell, lead paint is probably a bigger culprit than touchdown celebrations.

 

[SchoolPsychBuck]

Firstly, I'm not sure what "wanna be pimpin" means or if I have ever heard it before. But in all seriousness, society as a whole has become more individualistic and in some ways I can see this affecting sports behavior. The general capitalistic, me first attitude is prevalent in many aspects of society such as in the erosion of the family unit by divorce. As far as society glamorizing violence now more in the past I just don't see that as true. Violence is as American as apple pie, and thats just a sad fact. Looking back at our history violence has been continually glamorized, practiced, and accepted as a display of masculinity. I am not agreeing with these facts but they cannot be ignored.

 

[EastSide]

Again, I can't see a meaningful connection between sportsmanship and his death. Hell, lead paint is probably a bigger culprit than touchdown celebrations.

WORD!

I sure hope that I don't get gunned down because I do my own taunting week in week out after every fantasy football victory. I am in a league with adults who are all beyond the growth stage in their life cycle(vertically at least). The world would be a sad place if after every touchdown there was silence, after every victory the winning team had to mope off the field, if after every success one had to publicly hide emotion and act as if he was a robot that had been programmed to do it "All Day Er' Day!", if joy and celebration were to be stricken from the human communication archive. I would hate to live in that world. I think the old school way of viewing sportsmanship in this light is not what sports are all about. They are about competition, winners and losers. Why do we win? To show that we are the best, we are better prepared, that we worked harder, and we executed our plan better! Winning by nature is a celebration of skill superiority. If we are to do away with the ensuing natural human emotion that follows success, we might as well erase all forms of competition thus eliminating sports and the need for sportsmanship.

Sean Taylor did NOTHING to warrant being murdered, not on the field or off the field. This whole thing is a result of jealousy. Some sick sorry ass, that didn't make it had to cut down someone who did. Some loser that did not work at becoming the best as Taylor did. It is not the winners fault but the losers. As a loser, one has certain responsibilities. To go back to the drawing board and try and perfect you game, change what you did wrong so that next time you may earn the right to celebrate in victory.

 

[Fungo Squiggly]

urban dictionary..wooow..lame attempt to be funny

What the hell? Nobody seemed to know what it meant, so I went to a site that explains terms such as "smh" and got an explanation. You want to take that (somehow?) as some sort of attack, go right ahead.

Over sensitive says what? It's a place to look up sayings, but add meaning to it if you feel like it.

Right on!

My $.02:

Sean Taylor may or may not have been a thug. I don't know the guy, never met him, never will. No idea if he was good to his family, treated people with respect, etc.

However, what I DO know is that his actions off the field are not those of an individual worthy of admiration, adulation, or adoration. He may not be a thug, but, based on his off-field (and on-field) behavior, he doesn't seem like the kind of guy I'd want my child to look up to.

That being said, his character flaws, whatever they may be, do not make his death any less saddening or tragic to those who knew him.

 

[cincibuck]

..lame attempt to be funny

shaking my head at you idiots..yea thats what it means

Well run it up the flagpole and see who salutes. So Sean was TDY in DC and now has a PCS move in store. He's definitely OCONUS and both his DEROS and ETS are based in infinite numbers. His AD was cut short less than three years after his BPED. His POV and other possessions will be gathered by the folks in PGR and forwarded to NOK at his PHA. He will no longer be on the Redskin's USR. G1 will be in charge of finding a replacement.

See, lots of people have a language that keeps others out and changes the definition of "idiot" so that when you ask someone with some military knowledge just what the hell TDY and PCS mean they can tell you you're lame.

You're throwing rocks at people before you know what the hell they're saying.

 

[Brutus1]

OMGZZZ ROLLFFFF


So Sean does the what everybody says to do. Distance yourself from certain groups of people and cause even more jealousy. And this happens





Quote from Antrel Rolle

I read that article. I also read something from Vick about having 'friends' before you make it big. When you make it big and forget the friends, you can become a target to be whacked. He may have attended one of the better prep schools in Miami, but obviously, he wasn't hanging out with his own classmates.

I'm assuming he knew the 'thug' rules. If it is that serious, I'm not sure why he would ever stay in Miami. Sure, he grew up there, but at some point, if you want to stay away from trouble, you move. Moving to the 'burb's doesn't count either.

At least his 'friend' didn't hurt his girlfriend or baby.

 

[scooter1369]

You can take the thug out of the U, but you can't take the U out of the thug.

I repeat...

 

[cincibuck]

The world would be a sad place if after every touchdown there was silence, after every victory the winning team had to mope off the field,

No one is suggesting silence or denying celebration, but let's put it in perspective. There is such a thing as celebrating what you achieve without mocking your opponents, or in your case, your fantasy league buddies. It's called class. You might want to read Bang The Drum Slowly.

I think the old school way of viewing sportsmanship in this light is not what sports are all about. They are about competition, winners and losers. Why do we win? To show that we are the best, we are better prepared, that we worked harder, and we executed our plan better! Winning by nature is a celebration of skill superiority. If we are to do away with the ensuing natural human emotion that follows success, we might as well erase all forms of competition thus eliminating sports and the need for sportsmanship.

The end always justifys the means? If you win you can behave anyway you want? Why not go out on the fifty-yard line and take a shit on the other guy's logo? It's a sport, not a war. It's a love (read, treat) your neighbor as you would have your neighbor love (read, treat) you. You can win with enthusiasm, celebration and do it with style and class. We do not need to sink to the lowest common denominator of human behavior to show how elated we are for the results of our effort and good fortune.

 

[BayBuck]

Old age kicking in here perhaps...

Perhaps.

 

[cincibuck]

Old age kicking in here perhaps...

Perhaps.

Not everything modern is inherently better, nor is the status quo always the best answer, but putting things in perspective, realizing you are part of a public spectacle and behaving accordingly seems to me to be of value.

Would you accept such behavior in a classroom (believe me, I've seen some who thought I should) or on the street, or in your neighborhood? Where do you draw the line? Does college football suffer because you can't spike the ball, or jump on the TV camera? Is it less exciting because there's a 15 yard penalty for excessive celebration?

My answer is obviously 'no.' If anything it makes it better.

 

[BigJax]

I think actually taunting is horrible, and should never be done...but a celebration, with teamates is totally acceptable. I find some of the things that players like Chad Johnson, Steve Smith, and TO do funny and entertaining. Remember, this is A GAME. No matter what level you are playing at, you should be HAVING FUN. Sports is not something that should have a warlike seriousness to it. It is entertainment, it is fun, and it is a game!