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Sean Taylor (R.I.P.)

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MililaniBuckeye;1010897; said:
Perhaps some of you younger folk can tell us older folk why chest-thumping, taunting, and otherwise acting like an uncontrolled self-centered dipshit is essential to the game?
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I don't know who said all that is essential to the game; I'm just not going to disagree with Cinci when he suggests that "perhaps" it's just his old age that responds to Sean Taylor's murder with an extended rant on contemporary "sports behavior" and the bizarre suggestion that modern culture somehow makes us all responsible to such violence.
 
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1. Two off field issues don't make anybody a thug.

2. And what did he do so mad on the field? Make acouple late hits on some people. That's football, Yes he did spit in Pittmans face which is wrong but you don't know what he said or did to provoke that.

3. The whole smh thing started on the inernet..That's where i found it and thats where it stays. I just thought it was funny somebody would try and make it seem it was a cultural or hip hop thing.

But im done with this..At the end of the day wait for all the details come out to judge somebody..And even when they do come out and it did have something do with a past event. That still don't make somebody thug..If you actually heard the man speak he sounds like a real humble and intelligent person.
 
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Sorry Cinci, but I merged this...the same discussion is occurring on two fronts.

To everyone else, cut out the worthless namecalling...if you cannot make your point without the bashing, don't participate.

Back to Sean Taylor...
 
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O Nasty;1011085; said:
3. The whole smh thing started on the inernet..That's where i found it and thats where it stays. I just thought it was funny somebody would try and make it seem it was a cultural or hip hop thing.
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Nobody was doing any such thing. Get it through your thick skull. "Urban Dictionary" is a website that keeps track of unconventional terms. I figured that it would define wat "SMH" was....and it did. Nobody was implying it was cultural or "hip hop".

O Nasty;1011087; said:
ouch..that hurts:mad2:

yeaaa
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It was fucking joke, hence the ":p".

Christ.
 
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OK, let's try it this way...

"You know to live outside the law, you know you must be honest..."

Bob Dylan.

I don't think anyone in the last four pages of posts has attacked Sean, or claimed he was, for real, a thug... or that his death should be viewed as anything other than a tragedy.

What has been said is that:

1. compared to what a viewer sees from other college programs during telecasts, the atmosphere around the U Miami football program has been conducive to promoting the thug look, attitude and behavior. Ergo, Miami players, rightly or wrongly, have been percieved as thugs or thug wannebees. Their behavior on the field has not been toned done or discouraged by a succession of coaches.

2. behavior on the field is observed by the general public. It reflects and projects behaviors from the rest of society and that leads to speculation about a person's character and life style.

3. coming out of a tough neighborhood isn't easy and breaking the bonds from those associations can create problems, not the least of which is a thug (gang of thugs) who think(s) you owe him/them something.

4. hanging out with thugs is not conducive to long life. Thug culture, acting and dressing like a thug, leads to harrassment by the police and society and the perception that you are a thug.

5. burglary or a hit, Sean is a victim.

6. some posters, myself included, percieve an increased level in behaviors such as taunting, showboating and exaggerating in today's athletics and believe that these actions/behaviors have consequences on and off the field. Thus innocent or not, Sean and the Miami program, is/are an example of the consequences of such behavior.

7. that Sean is not the only U Miami player to meet with a violent end leads to conjecture that the atmosphere, behavior and attitudes promoted by the Miami program may contribute to the problem.
 
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Maybe people should stop jumping to conclusions just yet. We don't know anything at this point.

3 detained in Sean Taylor homicide - 11/30/2007 - MiamiHerald.com

Investigators believe the young men learned of Taylor's house through someone who unwittingly set up the burglary by bragging about the football star's wealth.
The suspects include 17- and 19-year-olds and a 26-year-old. All hail from the Fort Myers area.
The former University of Miami star was not supposed to be home at the time of the break-in. While the Redskins played in Tampa, he had come home to get a second medical opinion on his injured knee.
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O Nasty;1011085; said:
But im done with this..At the end of the day wait for all the details come out to judge somebody..And even when they do come out and it did have something do with a past event. That still don't make somebody thug..If you actually heard the man speak he sounds like a real humble and intelligent person.
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What are you talking about? Maybe I need to go re-read this crap, but I don't remember anyone saying 'Taylor was a thug and he got what was coming'.. I digest.
 
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espn.com

Police: Three from Fort Myers area detained in Taylor probe


MIAMI -- Police have detained at least three people in the Fort Myers area for questioning in the death of Washington Redskins star Sean Taylor.


A law enforcement official in Lee County confirmed the men from the Fort Myers area were in custody, but requested anonymity because the investigation is being handled by Miami-Dade County police.


Miami-Dade police would not confirm if anyone was in custody for the shooting death of Taylor, who was attacked at his Miami area home Monday and died a day later. Police only said detectives were in the Fort Myers area for an unspecified case.

"Our detectives are out there in Fort Myers conducting an investigation, gathering information and at this particular time they are not comfortable releasing any information regarding their investigation," police spokesman Robert Williams said. "As soon as information develops that will not jeopardize their case, they will release information."

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Still seems like there are some broad strokes being used here.

But, to me, its a problem that's a whole lot deeper than taunting, showboating, or excessive celebration. There's just a serious cultural problem, here that needs to be addressed. Trash talking isn't gonna get anyone killed, neiter is the Lambeau Leap or a Sharpie in your sock. Its entertainment. Part of the show.

It may infuence the viewer in some way... but... what the viewer does is completely up to them.

Its like these arguments over hip hop or rap or whatever... You know the "bad examples it sets"-- and... plenty of poor black kids listen to it, and plenty of poor white kids do too... and... its the poor black kids getting killed, and the rich white kids aren't. (Generally anyway)

Personally... I'm not a fan of the NFL celebrations... but Mark Gastineau, Chad Johnson, whoever... can keep their yaps shut and I'd be fine with that. Showing more class in sports is a good thing, I agree But, I don't think any of that had to do with what happened to Sean Taylor... all that other stuff is a symptom, not a cause, IMO.
 
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