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Ross Bjork (OSU AD)

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ORD_Buckeye said:
Earl beat cunt on a consistent basis but competed for a national title only in his first year. He was out of the picture the entire rest of his tenure, and it's one of the darkest spots in program history since before the early 30s.
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Someone needs to help me with this. I didn't start following the Bucks until Cooper, so I have no memory of Bruce coaching. I hear comments about how great Bruce was against ttun, but his record is just above average at 5 wins and 4 losses. What am I missing?
 
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OregonBuckeye said:
No shit, which is why these either or questions you people keep posing are stupid. Those aren't the only options. The goals are to beat scUM, win the conference, and compete for an NC. Not to be mediocre or slightly above average without beating our rival. None of us are happy with either of those options, so this isn't the gotcha' Day sympathizers think it is. Tressel and Meyer routinely beat scUM, won 10+ games, won the conference, and competed for NCs and won high-profile bowl games. That's the standard. That's what Day is not doing
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You do realize that my response was directly made to someone who responded to one either or question, correct? They aren’t the only options but it’s the exact question that’s being asked and responded to. Pretty simple, direct response to the choices that were provided in the post. Dont you think it’s also pretty stupid that the same people are constantly whining and bitching about the same thing over and over again in regard to the “fuck day” crowd? So 10 is mediocre? I guess you aren’t happy unless we are undefeated then, if 10 is mediocre to you or slightly above average. Tress and Urban also got blown out by teams they had no business getting blown out by. Conveniently left out of most posts when bringing this stuff up. This loss to scum was embarrassing but so were blowouts that happened under Tress and Urban. Days won the conference, competed in the playoffs and has challenged for the NC. One thing he hasn’t done is routinely beat scum. So basically the overall difference between the 3 is that Days not beaten scum. Agreed that this must change immediately but “you people” try to make it seem like he’s a shit coach. If he’s a shit coach, I’d hate to see your overall criteria for what makes someone a good coach.
 
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BuckBackHome said:
Someone needs to help me with this. I didn't start following the Bucks until Cooper, so I have no memory of Bruce coaching. I hear comments about how great Bruce was against ttun, but his record is just above average at 5 wins and 4 losses. What am I missing?
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He won 3 of his first 4 "79-'82
Then again in '84
Then an upset in '87

All against Bo coached teams after Bo was getting the better of Woody at the end of the 10 year war. It may have "only" been 5-4 but he never let them win more than 2 in a row.

Earl did a lot of things wrong but pissing down his leg in The Game was not one of them.
 
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BuckBackHome said:
Someone needs to help me with this. I didn't start following the Bucks until Cooper, so I have no memory of Bruce coaching. I hear comments about how great Bruce was against ttun, but his record is just above average at 5 wins and 4 losses. What am I missing?
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He had the 80s talent equivalent of our team this year (QB was nowhere near as important then) which included a RB who had a generational season but was shafted for the Heisman. He went 9-3 and lost his bowl game. That team was stacked with future NFL starters and pro-bowl players, 1 Hall of Famer and a couple others who got close. 1984.

After that, the wheels pretty much came off. Recruiting dropped way off. He was behind the times and couldn't realize that the future was recruiting speed and not having 95% of your roster come from Ohio. He bottomed out and left a really bad program for Cooper. That's another story.
 
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ORD_Buckeye said:
He had the 80s talent equivalent of our team this year (QB was nowhere near as important then) which included a RB who had a generational season but was shafted for the Heisman. He went 9-3 and lost his bowl game. That team was stacked with future NFL starters and pro-bowl players, 1 Hall of Famer and a couple others who got close. 1984.

After that, the wheels pretty much came off. Recruiting dropped way off. He was behind the times and couldn't realize that the future was recruiting speed and not having 95% of your roster come from Ohio. He bottomed out and left a really bad program for Cooper. That's another story.
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This is the part that really started to concern me about Day in '22. I've said before that history doesn't repeat itself, it echo's. Day is part Earl and part Cooper.

Earl took over the monster from Woody, gave it some fresh air and was a 2pt conversion from a NC in year 1. The longer he went, and further he got from Woody's machine, the worse the program got ESPECIALLY in the trenches at the end.

Do we know anyone else who took over a monster, got a little worse as each year went by and had really soft play in the trenches despite some good skill players by the time things got uncomfortable?
 
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There remains a chance to change perspectives with a deep CFP run, but the problem that I think will confront Bjork is how you keep your donors onside after your coach has been supported with more than $20 million and blown it this badly. We're just fans and we can so many amateur hour moments, it is shocking.

A moderately successful coach should be pushing boundaries after a couple of heavy NIL support years. Donor fatigue is real. Donors want results. The University will start running up against the Athletics Department if the price of a team keeps going up and the enthusiasm to support begins to shrink. Universities need a lot of donor support to achieve great things. The donor pool for the wider University and the Athletics Department do not necessarily overlap completely, but if there is substantial overlap, and football starts trying to compete with the University because it's coach pisses down his leg, the pressure on Bjork and Day may be something Bjork doesn't want to live with.
 
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zbuck said:
I didn’t say I would be happy. I was given a choice. I made one. The one that accomplished one of our three main goals every year.

So would you trade two other wins for a loss to SCUM ?? Really ??
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This was my point with my initial question. Does the 2 wins make up for not beating Michigan? Idk it’s hard to say
 
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Apart from the buyout and associated costs (I know, easy for me to say...), I keep coming back to the question of whether we'd do worse than our current position and that of the last couple of years with someone different. I just don't think we would. The keep Day side of which I was one until Saturday seems to be concerned about the potential upside we'd be giving up losing Day. Previously, I think that was a lot more substance to that concern, but it's not static, there's a half-life (more than half-life) to it.
Yes, assuming that he runs the CFP table or at least gets to the final and doesn't crap the bed, that potential factor would rise, but absent that we know what we know. Again, apart from the money, there's very little downside to letting him go. We're not going to tank. We might have a season where we lose to Oregon and State Penn and beat tcunt. We might go into the B1G championship undefeated and lose, but we're not going to be 7-5 and never beat the Vulverines again. We might actually win The Game, the B1G, and the CFP, though; see Smart, Kirby (successor to Mr. Nice Guy Richt who made UGA the Jim Kelly Buffalo Bills and never won anything, but raised the talent level of the team such that a fomer UGA defensive back with the right attitude was able to take them to the next level).
 
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