JohnLSU, have you been to a game at Michigan Stadium? The gameday experience is nothing like what you'd expect from books & television.
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JohnLSU
Columbus, OH: Home of the 1972 Miss America
These were some other cool facts in those articles about the OSU/MI game:
The Ohio State Alma Mater ?Carmen Ohio? was written on the train ride home to Columbus following the 1902 contest, which saw Ohio State losing to Michigan 86-0.
When Ohio Stadium (Ohio State's stadium) first opened, the first game they scheduled there was Michigan (Michigan won 19-0).
When Michigan Stadium first opened, the first game they scheduled there was Ohio State (Michigan won 21-0).
In 1970, a local judge in Columbus dismissed a charge of obscenity against a defendant arrested for wearing a T-shirt that said, "F--- Michigan" because the message "accurately expressed" local feelings about the university and the state.
The Ohio State Alma Mater ?Carmen Ohio? was written on the train ride home to Columbus following the 1902 contest, which saw Ohio State losing to Michigan 86-0.
When Ohio Stadium (Ohio State's stadium) first opened, the first game they scheduled there was Michigan (Michigan won 19-0).
When Michigan Stadium first opened, the first game they scheduled there was Ohio State (Michigan won 21-0).
In 1970, a local judge in Columbus dismissed a charge of obscenity against a defendant arrested for wearing a T-shirt that said, "F--- Michigan" because the message "accurately expressed" local feelings about the university and the state.
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JohnLSU;1040171; said:
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A portion of Ohio that includes Toledo both staes thought they owned it. When we drew up the lines we took it. Michigan was not happy. Both had millitias staring each other down. Not a shot fired we kept it.
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I can remember at least. Apprently it is not taught in Ohio schools like it is in scUM land
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If you're going to stir up the pot, you might want to read and follow along first. That line makes no sense here...
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To this day, Toledo remains a very mixed town (so the war sort of lives on), unlike 98% of the state.
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Sportsbuck28
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Try Ohio Stadium on the third saturday in November, every other year.sluTiger;1040187; said:
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Time to put up or...
Oh, wait, you're right. Fifty years ago, there was a moment for LSU in their rivalry with, uh, uh, Mississippi. WTF? I thought you guys said Auburn was the big rival.
With all due respect, ESPN's annointing of Ohio State-Michigan as the top rivalry of the 20th century and as the top rivalry in all of college football is the result of fan polls that have been repeated for years. This golden moments crap is just their sensational "sports journalism" in overdrive.
Nonetheless, let's make sure that we have no confusion about where ESPN stands in comparing any rivalry in your SEC to ours...
We tend to take notice when there is something huge on the line, such as a conference championship, a trip to a bowl game, even the national title.
But rivalries in college football transcend what is at stake. The game itself is often more important than its ramifications, which simply serve to heighten the intensity.
[FONT=verdana, arial, geneva]There is nothing like the Wolverines and Buckeyes battling for bragging rights.[/FONT]
The campuses at each school vibrate with anticipation, and when teams that love to hate each other collide, the records hardly matter.
Still, having something to play for makes the outcome all the more delicious, simply because the winner knows that the loser's suffering is magnified. And what would a great rivalry be without the joy of standing over the vanquished, the feeling of superiority?
That is what makes the annual Michigan-Ohio State showdown, which is remarkable for its level of hatred, so emotional. The added irony of how often the combatants have met with something at stake makes the game the best rivalry of the century.
Consider this. Since the game between the Wolverines and Buckeyes was moved to the final Saturday of the regular season in 1935, Michigan and Ohio State have met 36 times when the outcome had an impact on the Big Ten race. And in 17 of those encounters, the winner has gone on to represent the Big Ten in the Rose Bowl.
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From MSNBC...
The teams are Ohio State and Michigan. The sport is football. And it doesn't get any better than that, not in any sport, not anywhere.
Don't even try to argue that there's a college rivalry - or even a pro one - better than the one that's being renewed on Saturday in Columbus. You may as well try to argue stripes off a wolverine or the eye spot off a buckeye.
The Yankees and Red Sox are a pretty intense rivalry, but how often are both teams very, very good at the same time? Lately they have been, but not historically. The Lakers and Celtics were this good for a generation, but that, too, ended. In the NFL, rivalries ebb and flow with the constantly churning rosters.
We can produce hundreds of such articles from sportscasters across the land attesting to the stature of the Ohio State-Michigan rivalry as the top rivalry in college football. Poll after poll. Journalist after journalist.
To suggest that we don't want to consider any SEC rivalries is complete crap. I just reviewed this thread and what I see is a common thread of posters saying that LSU doesn't have a rivalry that begins to compare with the Ohio State - Michigan rivalry and a couple of LSU posters arguing without providing any substantiation to support the points they are tryng to make.
What we have done is to state how we feel about The Game and to draw your attention to its status outside your narrow SEC viewership. I am very sure that a national poll of fans would support our position, because polls and journalists have so often and you guys can't even present any evidence to substantiate your claim to be a rival of Auburn.
I take exception to the insinuation that people here are being closeminded to comparative evidence you have presented. Quite the contrary, what I see is people being rather patient with a group of visiting posters who keep making unsubstantiated claims and, perhaps without realizing they are doing so, make statements disrespecting a game that we consider to be very important.
So, you guys have two choices, as I see it. Present some evidence to back-up the claims you are making (as posters here have done repeatedly in this thread) or drop this argument. It's really quite simple. Just point us to the page on one of the major sports sites where we can find a reference to LSU having a rivalry that is as big as Ohio State and Michigan. In fact, just show us that sports fans nationally think that any rivalry in the SEC is as big as Ohio State and Michigan. Just present the evidence, it's really that easy. Otherwise, please stop this nonsense.
sluTiger;1040119; said:
Oh, wait, you're right. Fifty years ago, there was a moment for LSU in their rivalry with, uh, uh, Mississippi. WTF? I thought you guys said Auburn was the big rival.
With all due respect, ESPN's annointing of Ohio State-Michigan as the top rivalry of the 20th century and as the top rivalry in all of college football is the result of fan polls that have been repeated for years. This golden moments crap is just their sensational "sports journalism" in overdrive.
Nonetheless, let's make sure that we have no confusion about where ESPN stands in comparing any rivalry in your SEC to ours...
We tend to take notice when there is something huge on the line, such as a conference championship, a trip to a bowl game, even the national title.
But rivalries in college football transcend what is at stake. The game itself is often more important than its ramifications, which simply serve to heighten the intensity.
The campuses at each school vibrate with anticipation, and when teams that love to hate each other collide, the records hardly matter.
Still, having something to play for makes the outcome all the more delicious, simply because the winner knows that the loser's suffering is magnified. And what would a great rivalry be without the joy of standing over the vanquished, the feeling of superiority?
That is what makes the annual Michigan-Ohio State showdown, which is remarkable for its level of hatred, so emotional. The added irony of how often the combatants have met with something at stake makes the game the best rivalry of the century.
Consider this. Since the game between the Wolverines and Buckeyes was moved to the final Saturday of the regular season in 1935, Michigan and Ohio State have met 36 times when the outcome had an impact on the Big Ten race. And in 17 of those encounters, the winner has gone on to represent the Big Ten in the Rose Bowl.
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From MSNBC...
The teams are Ohio State and Michigan. The sport is football. And it doesn't get any better than that, not in any sport, not anywhere.
Don't even try to argue that there's a college rivalry - or even a pro one - better than the one that's being renewed on Saturday in Columbus. You may as well try to argue stripes off a wolverine or the eye spot off a buckeye.
The Yankees and Red Sox are a pretty intense rivalry, but how often are both teams very, very good at the same time? Lately they have been, but not historically. The Lakers and Celtics were this good for a generation, but that, too, ended. In the NFL, rivalries ebb and flow with the constantly churning rosters.
We can produce hundreds of such articles from sportscasters across the land attesting to the stature of the Ohio State-Michigan rivalry as the top rivalry in college football. Poll after poll. Journalist after journalist.
To suggest that we don't want to consider any SEC rivalries is complete crap. I just reviewed this thread and what I see is a common thread of posters saying that LSU doesn't have a rivalry that begins to compare with the Ohio State - Michigan rivalry and a couple of LSU posters arguing without providing any substantiation to support the points they are tryng to make.
What we have done is to state how we feel about The Game and to draw your attention to its status outside your narrow SEC viewership. I am very sure that a national poll of fans would support our position, because polls and journalists have so often and you guys can't even present any evidence to substantiate your claim to be a rival of Auburn.
I take exception to the insinuation that people here are being closeminded to comparative evidence you have presented. Quite the contrary, what I see is people being rather patient with a group of visiting posters who keep making unsubstantiated claims and, perhaps without realizing they are doing so, make statements disrespecting a game that we consider to be very important.
So, you guys have two choices, as I see it. Present some evidence to back-up the claims you are making (as posters here have done repeatedly in this thread) or drop this argument. It's really quite simple. Just point us to the page on one of the major sports sites where we can find a reference to LSU having a rivalry that is as big as Ohio State and Michigan. In fact, just show us that sports fans nationally think that any rivalry in the SEC is as big as Ohio State and Michigan. Just present the evidence, it's really that easy. Otherwise, please stop this nonsense.
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buckeyesin07
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sluTiger;1040119; said:
Do you see HBO making a documentary on LSU-Auburn or LSU-Ole Miss? Do you see espn.com ranking either of those "rivalries" anywhere near the list of top rivalries in all of sports? Neither do I. But I do see such things being done for OSU-UM.
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JohnLSU;1040165; said:
Okay John, that says a lot right there.... and that's cool and all...
But, I want to explain something to you.... and... maybe some other people around here that don't "get it."
The secret is that Hayes didn't really hate Michigan...
What Hayes understood is that creating a great rivalry makes you better... and these folks here on this board can tell you all about this little thing and that little thing and you can see that all these cool elements come together to make this thing special every year.
But... the reality of Big Ten Football in the early 50's was that Ohio State wasn't very good and Michigan was. So, Hayes took something that was already in place and began to magnify it... to make it take a life of its own. Because what Hayes understood was that no one gives a damn if you can beat Purdue... or if you prepare to beat Purdue. But, if you can make your guys prepare, week in and week out to beat Michigan... the best team that you know you have to play every year. You're likely gonna beat everyone else.
But.. then it becomes a big deal. And you beat Michigan once in a while... then you beat them a lot.
Then Michigan realizes a few years later that the shoe is on the other foot.... "Crap, they just blew our doors off and have been for a while"
Then you fire your coach and Hire Schembechler who knows full well that Hayes is planning to beat you every week, because he watched it happen as an assistant here... so... he does the same thing... and that's how it really blossoms. See.... its not a week of practice leading up to this game... its all year long. Because you know that if you're Michigan and you can Beat Ohio State, you can beat the rest of the Big Ten, more or less, and Vice Versa.
And... when it so often makes or breaks your Big Ten Championship and Holiday plans... its a big deal... Or, the year you might not be so good, if you can spoil the other guy's year it can save your season... and.. maybe your coaches job.
And... despite the arguments around here that "The Game" is bigger than the National Championship.... there is one truth... if you are Ohio State or Michigan... winning "The Game" is the FIRST most important thing you need to do. You can't do anything else unless you've done that.
And having said all that. A big difference between ND and Michigan for us this last year is this. We've been laughing at ND for losing because we hate them and we don't really care if they are ever good. We've been ribbing Michigan, but, in the back of our minds, we all know that a down Michigan football program is bad for Ohio State... I had lots of mixed emotions when they lost to App State.... it was amusing in some ways, and nauseating in others.
Two things relevant to what's going on in College Football right now.... first was sluTiger's comment about wondering if teams in the Big Ten would stop playing zone... or whatever he thought was necessary to defend the RichRod Spread. My answer is this, they will be analyzing Michigan in Columbus the second there is real tape to be dissected. Tressel has been doing everything since he got here with an eye toward winning that game.
With that in mind, remember that Les Miles is a Michigan guy who has been winning in the SEC with a power run game and lots of Michigan "power football" elements. Did I mention that Tressel has been doing everything since he got here with an eye toward beating Michigan?
Just some things to think about.
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Sportsbuck28
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[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQisGiMHl-Y&feature=related"]YouTube - 2006 Michigan vs. Ohio State intro[/ame]
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JohnLSU
Columbus, OH: Home of the 1972 Miss America
Ginn4Heisman20;1040142; said:
jwinslow;1040177; said:
No, I've never been to a game at Michigan Stadium. But I'd never expect it to be a great game day experience. Everyone who I know who has been to Michigan Stadium says the fans aren't too passionate. When I was talking about it being a great stadium, I was just talking about how it looks from the inside, the nice, smooth shape of the bowl, with no decks -- and the sheer size of it, it is the largest stadium in the Midwest, if not the U.S.
As for Notre Dame Stadium, I have been to a game there. And the fans weren't too passionate there either (and the women were not that attractive). But I still think ND has a great stadium.
But back to Michigan, you have to admit that this is beautiful:
It's no wonder that of all the stadium in the world, Notre Dame choose to copy Michigan Stadium when building their own:
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