Rivalries and Conferences (Split from LSU v. OSU Offensive Personnel Thread)

[Steve19]

Congrats on the multiposting.

I'd say the Alumni thing is a bigger factor in places without a premier college football team of their own and/or "retirement" cities.

I wouldn't call myself a world traveler, but I get around. It seems everywhere I go I run in to someone wearing OSU gear. Hell, I was in Amsterdam and saw a dude wearing an Ohio State sweatshirt. Boston. New York. California. Arizona. Minnesota. Florida. etc.

It could be just that I'm primed to notice such things in that I'm an Ohio State fan, but I don't see Auburn gear, or LSU gear etc. all over the place. I have seen Bama gear and Florida pretty much everywhere (Well, not Amsterdam) so OSU isn't alone in this. Just saying it happens.

And here's one to blow your socks off, bkb! Tonight, at the Victoria and Alfred Waterfront in Cape Town, South Africa, I saw your avatar on the back of a car (Calvin pissing on the UM logo). Went to get my camera out of my car and the guy was gone when I returned. I'll keep an eye out. How's that for global branding?

 

[LSUTyga73]

Actually we can...

2002: tOSU- 14 scUM- 9 (tOSU clinches Big-10 and national Champiionship birth)
2003: scUM- 35 tOSU- 21 (scUM clinches Big-10)
2004: tOSU- 37 scUM- 21 (tOSU upsets scUM, denies them outright title in Troy Smith's first "big game")
2005: tOSU- 25 scUM- 21 (tOSU wins Big-10 on last minute drive highlighted by "The Catch" by Anthony Gonzalez)
2006: tOSU- 42 scUM- 39 (#1 vs. #2 the day after Bo's passing)
2007: tOSU- 14 scUM- 3 (tOSU earns birth in BCSCG and wins 2nd consecutive outright Big-10 title)

In the last six years, 3 times winner has gone on to play for Nat'l Title, each year had some impact on conference title. I'd say it's as closely contested. Frankly, until just a couple days ago, I didn't even know LSU-Auburn was anything more than another conference rivalry.

Only 2 of those games were truly down to the wire out of the past 6 years. I said closely contested, you obviously don't understand the meaning of that phrase because I am talking about the game itself and not the implications of the game. Again, I think you missed my point. Good try though in trying to change the subject.

And it is a conference rivalry, just like OSU-UM, and as I stated earlier, I don't expect Big 10 fans to understand it because none of you obviously do. I'm just trying to enlighten you guys on the fact that there are rivalries that exist outside of yours which have had closer games.

 

[LSUTyga73]

On any given year, the Ohio State/Michigan game may not be the biggest game in the country...even though it was in 2006. But...it is the only rivalry that has stood the test of time. There may be times where it seems bigger to the nation then others, but overall it's the biggest.

I can agree with that. Just don't believe that your rivalry is the only great one out there. It has history and great implications on the national stage. Like the 2006 game, but the game itself was hardly that contested, OSU had it the whole way and Michigan was playing catch up all game. The 2002 and 2005 games were great games. Your rivalry might have national attention but don't act like you guys are the only ones that hate each other with that intensity.

 

[LSUTyga73]

If you ask an Auburn fan or alum to name their big rival game the school that is named is Alabama - not LSU.

Even though Michigan is in yearly games against MSU and ND, they too will say that OSU is The Game - period.

So, I have to ask, is all this talk of LSU - Auburn a tad one sided? Akin, if you will to, the way that Penn State claims their yearly tilt against the Buckeyes as a rivalry - though for LSU-Auburn clearly of much longer duration.

If you ask an Auburn fan which team they need to beat to win the west they would say LSU. And they hate when they lose to us because they know that they just lost the West at that point. They hate Bama for sure, but Bama has been irrelevant for a while now and I'm not takin anything away from the Iron Bowl because I believe it is up there, the SEC West is decided before then in the LSU-Auburn game. We have quite a few memorable games in our series and we won't ever overtake their in-state rival because Bama will always be there.
Before you decide to bash the SEC, try reading about the Earthquake game, the Barn-burning game, the "Upright game", and the last few games.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

Actually we can...

2002: tOSU- 14 scUM- 9 (tOSU clinches Big-10 and national Champiionship birth)
2003: scUM- 35 tOSU- 21 (scUM clinches Big-10)
2004: tOSU- 37 scUM- 21 (tOSU upsets scUM, denies them outright title in Troy Smith's first "big game")
2005: tOSU- 25 scUM- 21 (tOSU wins Big-10 on last minute drive highlighted by "The Catch" by Anthony Gonzalez)
2006: tOSU- 42 scUM- 39 (#1 vs. #2 the day after Bo's passing)
2007: tOSU- 14 scUM- 3 (tOSU earns birth in BCSCG and wins 2nd consecutive outright Big-10 title)

I think dude was talking about it being a nailbiter, down to the last play type game.

Only 2 of those games were truly down to the wire out of the past 6 years. I said closely contested, you obviously don't understand the meaning of that phrase because I am talking about the game itself and not the implications of the game..

He also left off the 26-20 game in 2001 where Michigan had the last posession and was driving when time expired. The 2002 ended with us intercepting the ball on our own goal line as Michigan was driving for the game-winning TD. In the 2005 game, Michigan was yet again driving in the waning moments when tackled the TE in bounds to run out the clock, after rallying from a 21-12 deficit with 7 and a half minutes left in the game.

He knows what the meaning of the phrase is. Do you know the meaning of the phrase "Don't troll or your ass will be banned?"

 

[sluTiger]

If you ask an Auburn fan which team they need to beat to win the west they would say LSU. And they hate when they lose to us because they know that they just lost the West at that point. They hate Bama for sure, but Bama has been irrelevant for a while now and I'm not takin anything away from the Iron Bowl because I believe it is up there, the SEC West is decided before then in the LSU-Auburn game. We have quite a few memorable games in our series and we won't ever overtake their in-state rival because Bama will always be there.
Before you decide to bash the SEC, try reading about the Earthquake game, the Barn-burning game, the "Upright game", and the last few games.

Agreed, the Bama game has been icing on the cake for the past few years Auburn. LSU/Auburn game is the best SEC west game for the past 7 years. It became a modern rivalry with the cigar game and has been the hardest hitting game in the SEC outside of Florida/Georgia which is a slobber knocker every year.

Tubberville commented last year that his team was not the same physically after playing LSU because the game is so physical. LSU defiantly was not the same team after playing Auburn this year. Auburn is so tardo that their mascot is a tiger but they have the war eagle fly around the stadium, ???WTF???. Dumbass rednecks, everything about Alabama sucks...

Coming out of another thread, I truly believe the Georgia/Florida and Auburn/LSU are rivalries created and enhanced by our conference and championship game system.

 

[DaveyBoy]

this is our point

you say Bama is irrelevant....give them 2 more years and they will be highly relevant. Bama is relevant much more often than AUburn over the past 20 to 30 years.....and if I were betting I'd say the next 20 to 30 years.

This is precisely our point about Ohio State vs Michigan....this game has affected the NC picture and the BigTen picture so many years going back to the '20s and '30s. These 2 teams have dominated a strong conference for most of 70 years like Alabama dominated the SEC for about 20 years.

I suggest that you SEC fans study up on the history of The Game a bit more so you can understand the perspective from which we come when we talk about The Game. I don't care if Alabama and Auburn are in the same state.....Ohio State and Michigan hate each other just as badly....plus more is riding on our game in most years than the Alabama vs Auburn game.

Now...I have no doubt that there are highly spirited rivalries in the SEC. And with the level of play that many teams in your conference display, these are truly blockbuster matchups a lot. But those are not rivalries that stand the test of time like The Game does.

If you ask an Auburn fan which team they need to beat to win the west they would say LSU. And they hate when they lose to us because they know that they just lost the West at that point. They hate Bama for sure, but Bama has been irrelevant for a while now and I'm not takin anything away from the Iron Bowl because I believe it is up there, the SEC West is decided before then in the LSU-Auburn game. We have quite a few memorable games in our series and we won't ever overtake their in-state rival because Bama will always be there.
Before you decide to bash the SEC, try reading about the Earthquake game, the Barn-burning game, the "Upright game", and the last few games.

 

[sluTiger]

you say Bama is irrelevant....give them 2 more years and they will be highly relevant. Bama is relevant much more often than AUburn over the past 20 to 30 years.....and if I were betting I'd say the next 20 to 30 years.

This is precisely our point about Ohio State vs Michigan....this game has affected the NC picture and the BigTen picture so many years going back to the '20s and '30s. These 2 teams have dominated a strong conference for most of 70 years like Alabama dominated the SEC for about 20 years.

I suggest that you SEC fans study up on the history of The Game a bit more so you can understand the perspective from which we come when we talk about The Game. I don't care if Alabama and Auburn are in the same state.....Ohio State and Michigan hate each other just as badly....plus more is riding on our game in most years than the Alabama vs Auburn game.

Now...I have no doubt that there are highly spirited rivalries in the SEC. And with the level of play that many teams in your conference display, these are truly blockbuster matchups a lot. But those are not rivalries that stand the test of time like The Game does.

"The Game", "The Catch", "The Ohio State"... what gives with putting the in front of everything? LOL

 

[NFBuck]

"The Game", "The Catch", "The Ohio State"... what gives with putting the in front of everything? LOL

Would you prefer we just said "Game" or "Catch"? And the official name of the school is the Ohio State University.

 

[sluTiger]

Would you prefer we just said "Game" or "Catch"? And the official name of the school is the Ohio State University.

Really, seriously, The Ohio State University... weird, is there another ohio state university?

 

[DaveyBoy]

The Ohio State University

Yes...there are other state universities in Ohio. One, in particular, is named Ohio University....or OU for short. OU had the audacity to sue OSU for using the name OHIO on jerseys. Ohio State only used the name OHIO on track jerseys....and our colors are scarlet & gray as opposed to OU's green and white. They were so picky and silly about it that OSU (who won the suit also) went out and registered the term The Ohio State University to keep OU from weaseling it .

 

[daveeb]

Another explanation for an outsider on this subject? Jeez.

Yeah. Just remember, you can't use OU either. It is Ohio. If you use OU, Oklahoma will get upset.

sluTiger, if you want a good laugh, go over here.

Ohio is a fine school, and Athens is a fine town. It is really peaceful over there. But, the sports jealousy in that town is astounding.

 

[sluTiger]

Another explanation for an outsider on this subject? Jeez.

Yeah. Just remember, you can't use OU either. It is Ohio. If you use OU, Oklahoma will get upset.

sluTiger, if you want a good laugh, go over here.

Ohio is a fine school, and Athens is a fine town. It is really peaceful over there. But, the sports jealousy in that town is astounding.

LOL, no shit... Same thing happened to LSU and SLU. There was a school in called USL at one time in Lafayette. People from that area have a bad case of penis envy and lobbied the legislature to be called Louisiana State University at Lafayette. (bunch of turds) Of course the state said no. So they tried to rename my school's name from Southeastern Louisiana University to University of Louisiana at Hammond. We are SLU not LSU and have not problem with LSU being the flagship university. The administration and student body told them to fuck off,.. They finally got the board of regents to change their name to the University of Louisiana at Lafayette. ULALA... (Bunch of dumbasses)..

 

[HailToMichigan]

Really, seriously, The Ohio State University... weird, is there another ohio state university?

It's "The Ohio State University" as opposed to "the Ohio state university"....I dunno, I've always been able to tell the difference between the one that wears scarlet and gray and the other ones, but Buckeyes think everyone needs it spelled out for them

(prepares to be slammed)

Anyway, the rivalry. I didn't bother reading the whole thread, but there aren't seriously people who claim LSU-Auburn is on the same level as Michigan-Ohio State, are there?

It comes down to this, and it's not complicated: Michigan will never have a bigger game on the regular-season schedule than OSU. OSU will never have a game on the regular-season schedule than Michigan. Auburn will always have a game on the schedule bigger than LSU, and LSU, in any given year depending on who's good in the division, may have a bigger game than Auburn.

Put another way: Suppose LSU makes it to the SEC championship game but loses. Would LSU fans really be able to say, "Well, at least we beat Auburn," and that would make up for it?

I guarantee that, hypothetically, if there were a Big Ten championship game, and let's say for argument's sake that Michigan lost to Wisconsin in it. We could live with that if we had beaten OSU.

 

[JohnLSU]

LOL, no shit... Same thing happened to LSU and SLU. There was a school in called USL at one time in Lafayette. People from that area have a bad case of penis envy and lobbied the legislature to be called Louisiana State University at Lafayette. (bunch of turds) Of course the state said no. So they tried to rename my school's name from Southeastern Louisiana University to University of Louisiana at Hammond. We are SLU not LSU and have not problem with LSU being the flagship university. The administration and student body told them to fuck off,.. They finally got the board of regents to change their name to the University of Louisiana at Lafayette. ULALA... (Bunch of dumbasses)..

sluTiger, you've got your facts all wrong.

The two biggest public university systems in our state are the Louisiana State University System and the University of Louisiana System (formerly "the Board of Trustees for State Colleges and Universities" -- in Louisiana).

The Louisiana State University System's flagship school is LSU, and its other schools include LSU-Eunice, LSU-Shreveport, LSU-Alexandria, and the University of New Orleans (formerly LSU-New Orleans).

The University of Louisiana System's flagship school is the University of Louisiana at Lafayette (formerly the University of Southwestern Louisiana), and its other schools include the University of Louisiana at Monroe (formerly Northeast Louisiana University), Northwestern State University, Southeastern Louisiana University, Louisiana Tech University, Grambling State University, McNeese State University, and Nicholls State University.

What really happened was that then-University of Southwestern Louisiana (USL) received permission in 1984 from their university system to change their school's name to the "The University of Louisiana" (not as you claimed, LSU-Lafeyette). Louisiana's state agency in charge of all public schools in Louisiana immediately filed suit to stop the name change, and the suit was successful.

Then, in 1995, the university system that USL belonged to ("the Board of Trustees for State Colleges and Universities" -- in Louisiana) successfully convinced our state legislature to change their name to the University of Louisiana System. When this happened, the University of Southwestern Louisiana (USL), as the flagship school of the University of Louisiana System, wanted to again change their name to the "The University of Louisiana." However, their aspirations were shot down, and they were only allowed to call themselves the University of Louisiana at Lafayette.

In my opinion, this is the way it should be:

The schools in the LSU university system should be called LSU, LSU-Eunice, LSU-Shreveport, LSU-Alexandria, and LSU-New Orleans (not the University of New Orleans).

The schools in the Univ. of Louisiana system should be called the Univ. of Louisiana (not UL-Lafayette), UL-Monroe, UL-Natchitoches (not Northwestern State University), UL-Hammond (not Southeastern Louisiana University), UL-Ruston (not Louisiana Tech University), UL-Grambling (not Grambling State University), UL-Lake Charles (not McNeese State University), and UL-Thibodaux (not Nicholls State University).

That would just make more logical sense.

Anyway, Merry Christmas!!!