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Rivalries and Conferences (Split from LSU v. OSU Offensive Personnel Thread)

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I agree the dude is assinine by saying that y'alls rivalry is irrelevant any more in college football. Do none of y'all see rivalry as a regional thing though? Can you agree that it is not relevant in the south except for the few transplanted northernors. I literally know no one that cares about it, and that is not a diss at all; it is just fact. I also could care less about the yankees-red sox rivalry. I am a cubs fan and care about the cubs-cards(I know, lord help me). North Louisiana is littered with Cubs fans for some reason. I am a LSU Tiger's fan and care about rivalries that pertain to my team, jsut as y'all are tOSU fans and care about rivalries that pertain to y'alls team. I honestly think this thread is a lot to do about nothing. The big things to each individual are the things they want to have meaning for them.
 
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Ray, I agree that region has a large impact on making rivalries relevant TO INDIVIDUALS.....but I also disagree w/ the fact that b/c it's irrelevant to many people in the south, it takes away from the fact that OSU/Michigan is a great rivalry in a NATIONAL sense.

What I'm saying, is that just because we don't necessarily care who wins The Game most years, doesn't mean that it's not an important game for college football as a whole.

Ask people on the west coast if they give a shit about who wins Auburn/Alabama......I doubt you'd get many people who say they do. It doesn't mean that game is any less important in the South though.


P.S. I share the horrible affliction of being a Cubs fan w/ you, and one of these days we'll have something to cheer about.:cheers:
 
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Dude!

the Ohio State vs Michigan rivalry is a 1 game playoff for a spot in the NC game or at least a top 5 finish most of the BCS years. To suggest it's regional is lame. That's part of the problem we have with splitting into 2 divisions and playing a conference championship game....the SEC and other conferences have diluted the values of their rivalries as far as national prominence. UF can lose to LSU in the regular season and beat them in the SEC CG....therefore the regular season game was no more important than the Mississippi State game.


ray6072;1038175; said:
I agree the dude is assinine by saying that y'alls rivalry is irrelevant any more in college football. Do none of y'all see rivalry as a regional thing though? Can you agree that it is not relevant in the south except for the few transplanted northernors. I literally know no one that cares about it, and that is not a diss at all; it is just fact. I also could care less about the yankees-red sox rivalry. I am a cubs fan and care about the cubs-cards(I know, lord help me). North Louisiana is littered with Cubs fans for some reason. I am a LSU Tiger's fan and care about rivalries that pertain to my team, jsut as y'all are tOSU fans and care about rivalries that pertain to y'alls team. I honestly think this thread is a lot to do about nothing. The big things to each individual are the things they want to have meaning for them.
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I agree that the loser of the lsu-florida game has a chance for redemption in the championship game, but the loser between bama, auburn, arkansas, lsu in the west does not just as the loser between the georgia, tennessee and florida games in the east do not.

I am not saying the game does not often have national significance, but a good portion of the nation could care less about the game as a rivalry. It may be we have difference defintions of an important rivalry game, too. A rivalry game to me is a game with a significant emotional impact to a specific fanbase. How can that make the game important to me? It has no emotional impact to me, nor really anyone in the south; therefore, that is why i say rivalries are regional.
 
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what?

If the rest of the nation doesn't care about it as a rivalry then why did HBO produce a wonderful special about it? Why is it consistently voted as the top rivalry in all of sports? These two teams have remained as a constant while other programs have ebbed and rolled......LSU vs UF is the hot game now, but 5 years ago it was UF vs UT......5 years before that it was someone different.

OSU vs MIchigan is different mostly because it is the same 2 teams that have battled for championships in like 40 of the past 60 seasons....and these two programs are two of the top 5 programs of all time by just bout anyone's standards.

ray6072;1038218; said:
I agree that the loser of the lsu-florida game has a chance for redemption in the championship game, but the loser between bama, auburn, arkansas, lsu in the west does not just as the loser between the georgia, tennessee and florida games in the east do not.

I am not saying the game does not often have national significance, but a good portion of the nation could care less about the game as a rivalry. It may be we have difference defintions of an important rivalry game, too. A rivalry game to me is a game with a significant emotional impact to a specific fanbase. How can that make the game important to me? It has no emotional impact to me, nor really anyone in the south; therefore, that is why i say rivalries are regional.
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I am not saying it is not one of the top rivalries in all of sports. But do you honestly think that non-ohio state and non-michigan fans are emotionally invested in the game or its outcome? If not, it is just another game to them. I may even give you it is the top rivalry in all sports period. I am not going to debate that point because there are so many great rivalries in all sports. All i am saying is that rivalries are regional, and the games that mean something to individual fans are going to be games their teams participate in. I am serious when i say that i know no one that cares about the rivalry, or even cares to watch the game. Not being saracastic at all when i ask this, but does that surprise you at all?
 
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semantics

do I expect people in Louisiana or Idaho to be emotionally invested in OSU vs Michigan? Not really. But that's different than saying the rivalry doesn't mean much to people in all states......who are college football fans. Sure, the Army vs Navy game is emotional to a broader spectrum of Americans. But to College Football Fans the OSU vs Mich game MEANS more to College Football.

My family are all in Tennessee and MIssissippi...huge SEC fans....they always talk about how this game doesn't mean much to them but they all watch it or are interested in it. I've lived on the West Coast, New York, Memphis, Chicago, Kansas City......Columbus, Detroit. Trust me, people in all of those regions who care anything about college football outside of their particular region ALL watch or inquire about the OSU vs Mich game.

I think you underestimate it drastically.
 
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DaveyBoy;1038273; said:
do I expect people in Louisiana or Idaho to be emotionally invested in OSU vs Michigan? Not really. But that's different than saying the rivalry doesn't mean much to people in all states......who are college football fans. Sure, the Army vs Navy game is emotional to a broader spectrum of Americans. But to College Football Fans the OSU vs Mich game MEANS more to College Football.

My family are all in Tennessee and MIssissippi...huge SEC fans....they always talk about how this game doesn't mean much to them but they all watch it or are interested in it. I've lived on the West Coast, New York, Memphis, Chicago, Kansas City......Columbus, Detroit. Trust me, people in all of those regions who care anything about college football outside of their particular region ALL watch or inquire about the OSU vs Mich game.

I think you underestimate it drastically.
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The other factor is that Ohio State has a HUGE alumni population and it is disbursed nationally. Yes, this is true of every school, pretty much. But, Ohio State has been on of the, if not THE, largest university for a while. Many of those Alumni are football fans. Top that off with Michigan's sizable alumni base and you truly do have "national interest"
 
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Perhaps i do underestimate its national appeal, i really can't say. I am just trying to look at it from an unbiased viewpoint. I do wonder if you all(hehe, i didn't say y'all, i've always wanted to do that) are so passionate about it, that you can't see it from our viewpoint as being just another game. To me, people asking you about OSU-Michigan is college football fans knowing you are a fan and wanting to talk about their sport, just as if i were kin to a usc fan(lord forbid) and I asked him about ucla, or he asked me about florida or Auburn. It is all in fun, we would know each other are fans, so of course we would talk about our favorite teams.
 
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to buckeyeskickbuttocks(one day i will learn how to do the quote thingy)

I understand about the huge fanbases dispersed creating a somewhat national appeal, but that is still osu and michigan alumni, not native's of those particular areas. And that is still a very minute part of the population in a lot of areas.
 
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the games that I consider true rivalries.......that I always watch:

Alabama vs Auburn
UCLA vs USC
Oregon vs Oregon STate
Texas A&M vs Texas
Georgia vs Florida
Tennessee vs Alabama
MIchigan vs Michigan State
LSU vs Auburn

....I realize there are some others that I've left out. But for some reason those are the ones that I grew up on that are still intact.....Pitt vs Penn State and Okie vs Nebraska are victims of conference expansion.

LSU was always my favorite SEC team growing up. I loved watching Dalton Hilliard and the WR Hill....and the LB Sanchez. Those guys were great. LSU was always a sleeping giant in my opinion. Saban obviously woke them up. Just as I think Tressel has awoken Ohio State.....although we were fairly lucid during Cooper's years.


ray6072;1038287; said:
Perhaps i do underestimate its national appeal, i really can't say. I am just trying to look at it from an unbiased viewpoint. I do wonder if you all(hehe, i didn't say y'all, i've always wanted to do that) are so passionate about it, that you can't see it from our viewpoint as being just another game. To me, people asking you about OSU-Michigan is college football fans knowing you are a fan and wanting to talk about their sport, just as if i were kin to a usc fan(lord forbid) and I asked him about ucla, or he asked me about florida or Auburn. It is all in fun, we would know each other are fans, so of course we would talk about our favorite teams.
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