Rivalries and Conferences (Split from LSU v. OSU Offensive Personnel Thread)

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

to buckeyeskickbuttocks(one day i will learn how to do the quote thingy)

I understand about the huge fanbases dispersed creating a somewhat national appeal, but that is still osu and michigan alumni, not native's of those particular areas. And that is still a very minute part of the population in a lot of areas.

Oh, I don't know. My cousin lives on a nondescript street in Minnesota, within a few miles of the University of Minnesota. On football Saturdays, he tells me, there are no less than 3 Ohio State flags hanging on his block.

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[ray6072]

the games that I consider true rivalries.......that I always watch:

Alabama vs Auburn
UCLA vs USC
Oregon vs Oregon STate
Texas A&M vs Texas
Georgia vs Florida
Tennessee vs Alabama
MIchigan vs Michigan State
LSU vs Auburn

....I realize there are some others that I've left out. But for some reason those are the ones that I grew up on that are still intact.....Pitt vs Penn State and Okie vs Nebraska are victims of conference expansion.

LSU was always my favorite SEC team growing up. I loved watching Dalton Hilliard and the WR Hill....and the LB Sanchez. Those guys were great. LSU was always a sleeping giant in my opinion. Saban obviously woke them up. Just as I think Tressel has awoken Ohio State.....although we were fairly lucid during Cooper's years.

I really don't remember watching any of those guys play to be honest. I was born in 1978, and really didn't get into LSU strong until the very early nineties. Probably when i was 13 or so. I remember Hilliard playing for the Saints though, and i loved him then.

Heck, i am tired of argueing, I'll just say it is a rival game everywhere and be done with it. I reserve the right to change my mind tomorrow, however. :-)

Oh, I don't know. My cousin lives on a nondescript street in Minnesota, within a few miles of the University of Minnesota. On football Saturdays, he tells me, there are no less than 3 Ohio State flags hanging on his block.

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Hmm...i think i got it figured out. I am in the south, too; there may be less of your alumni here and that is why i don't see it.

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

Hmm...i think i got it figured out. I am in the south, too; there may be less of your alumni here and that is why i don't see it.

Congrats on the multiposting.

I'd say the Alumni thing is a bigger factor in places without a premier college football team of their own and/or "retirement" cities.

I wouldn't call myself a world traveler, but I get around. It seems everywhere I go I run in to someone wearing OSU gear. Hell, I was in Amsterdam and saw a dude wearing an Ohio State sweatshirt. Boston. New York. California. Arizona. Minnesota. Florida. etc.

It could be just that I'm primed to notice such things in that I'm an Ohio State fan, but I don't see Auburn gear, or LSU gear etc. all over the place. I have seen Bama gear and Florida pretty much everywhere (Well, not Amsterdam) so OSU isn't alone in this. Just saying it happens.

 

[ray6072]

Congrats on the multiposting.

I'd say the Alumni thing is a bigger factor in places without a premier college football team of their own and/or "retirement" cities.

I wouldn't call myself a world traveler, but I get around. It seems everywhere I go I run in to someone wearing OSU gear. Hell, I was in Amsterdam and saw a dude wearing an Ohio State sweatshirt. Boston. New York. California. Arizona. Minnesota. Florida. etc.

It could be just that I'm primed to notice such things in that I'm an Ohio State fan, but I don't see Auburn gear, or LSU gear etc. all over the place. I have seen Bama gear and Florida pretty much everywhere (Well, not Amsterdam) so OSU isn't alone in this. Just saying it happens.

Haha, I actually got married in disney world and stayed their ten days. There was a guy who saw my lsu shirt that worked on the Aerosmith rock-n-roller coaster. He let me go through the secret passage to the front of the line a couple of times; it was great. I've been to Baltimore, all of Florida and the east coast, texas and everywhere that hurricanes hit, and pretty for north cuz of ice for that matter and there are always LSU fans because i am looking for them, just as you said you always looking for tOSU fans, and see them. You should start looking for LSU gear and see waht you can find. :-) I am not sure this post really had a point, but i hope there is one in there somewhere.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

OSU vs MIchigan is different mostly because it is the same 2 teams that have battled for championships in like 40 of the past 60 seasons....and these two programs are two of the top 5 programs of all time by just bout anyone's standards.

Not to mention that Michigan and Ohio State are the #1 and #3 winningest teams of all-time in terms of winning percentage, and that The Game is virtually always the last regular season game for both teams (actually, always for Ohio State, while Michigan did play at Hawaii the week after The Game in 1998).

 

[LSUTyga73]

I do tend to agree that rivalries are regional but most of it is just the egos of the fans. We are here arguing which rivalry is more significant but it is really irrelevant seeing as how we are OSU and LSU fans and we will never change each others opinions. I love the OSU-UM rivalry personally because I lived in Toledo, which is right in the middle of it. The week gets more and more exciting as it inches closer to the game and its just a great atmosphere to be around in the city. OSU-UM probably is bigger on the national stage because they are two of college football's traditional powerhouses.

But I don't think you can deny that LSU-Auburn has had better games the past 3-4 years. To tell you the truth, I can't think of any rivalry as closely contested as LSU-Auburn.
The past 4 years, the game went down the last play.

Just because the media doesn't hype this game doesn't mean that LSU and Auburn fans don't hate each other, cause we do. I can tell you, I felt a lot of anger and hate when the Auburn offensive lineman almost ended Glenn Dorsey's playing career. I dont' expect an OSU fan to get all oozy about our rivalry with Auburn because honestly, you'd have to be an SEC fan to understand it, and i don't mean that in a negative way at all.

 

[NFBuck]

But I don't think you can deny that LSU-Auburn has had better games the past 3-4 years. To tell you the truth, I can't think of any rivalry as closely contested as LSU-Auburn.
The past 4 years, the game went down the last play.

Actually we can...

2002: tOSU- 14 scUM- 9 (tOSU clinches Big-10 and national Champiionship birth)
2003: scUM- 35 tOSU- 21 (scUM clinches Big-10)
2004: tOSU- 37 scUM- 21 (tOSU upsets scUM, denies them outright title in Troy Smith's first "big game")
2005: tOSU- 25 scUM- 21 (tOSU wins Big-10 on last minute drive highlighted by "The Catch" by Anthony Gonzalez)
2006: tOSU- 42 scUM- 39 (#1 vs. #2 the day after Bo's passing)
2007: tOSU- 14 scUM- 3 (tOSU earns birth in BCSCG and wins 2nd consecutive outright Big-10 title)

In the last six years, 3 times winner has gone on to play for Nat'l Title, each year had some impact on conference title. I'd say it's as closely contested. Frankly, until just a couple days ago, I didn't even know LSU-Auburn was anything more than another conference rivalry.

 

[smith403]

Actually we can...

2002: tOSU- 14 scUM- 9 (tOSU clinches Big-10 and national Champiionship birth)
2003: scUM- 35 tOSU- 21 (scUM clinches Big-10)
2004: tOSU- 37 scUM- 21 (tOSU upsets scUM, denies them outright title in Troy Smith's first "big game")
2005: tOSU- 25 scUM- 21 (tOSU wins Big-10 on last minute drive highlighted by "The Catch" by Anthony Gonzalez)
2006: tOSU- 42 scUM- 39 (#1 vs. #2 the day after Bo's passing)
2007: tOSU- 14 scUM- 3 (tOSU earns birth in BCSCG and wins 2nd consecutive outright Big-10 title)

In the last six years, 3 times winner has gone on to play for Nat'l Title, each year had some impact on conference title. I'd say it's as closely contested. Frankly, until just a couple days ago, I didn't even know LSU-Auburn was anything more than another conference rivalry.

Excellent response :osu:

 

[ray6072]

I do tend to agree that rivalries are regional but most of it is just the egos of the fans. We are here arguing which rivalry is more significant but it is really irrelevant seeing as how we are OSU and LSU fans and we will never change each others opinions. I love the OSU-UM rivalry personally because I lived in Toledo, which is right in the middle of it. The week gets more and more exciting as it inches closer to the game and its just a great atmosphere to be around in the city. OSU-UM probably is bigger on the national stage because they are two of college football's traditional powerhouses.

But I don't think you can deny that LSU-Auburn has had better games the past 3-4 years. To tell you the truth, I can't think of any rivalry as closely contested as LSU-Auburn.
The past 4 years, the game went down the last play.

Just because the media doesn't hype this game doesn't mean that LSU and Auburn fans don't hate each other, cause we do. I can tell you, I felt a lot of anger and hate when the Auburn offensive lineman almost ended Glenn Dorsey's playing career. I dont' expect an OSU fan to get all oozy about our rivalry with Auburn because honestly, you'd have to be an SEC fan to understand it, and i don't mean that in a negative way at all.

I think dude was talking about it being a nailbiter, down to the last play type game. If Auburn had not been jobbed the year they went undefeated, we would be able to claim the winner of our rivalry 3 of the last 7 years went on to play in the NCG. The talent on that Auburn team was as good as any team in the country that year. Just saying is all.

 

[smith403]

I think dude was talking about it being a nailbiter, down to the last play type game. If Auburn had not been jobbed the year they went undefeated, we would be able to claim the winner of our rivalry 3 of the last 7 years went on to play in the NCG. The talent on that Auburn team was as good as any team in the country that year. Just saying is all.

And "if" wishes were toys, candy, and nuts...what a Merry Christmas it would be

 

[ray6072]

And "if" wishes were toys, candy, and nuts...what a Merry Christmas it would be

whatever dude...appreciate that insight

They were undefeated

and oops, i can't count, would have been 3 times in last 5 years, not 7. And even if you take them out and say that the year they went undefeated is irrelevant and that Oklahoma should have been playing USC in the Championship game over them, that is still twice in laset 5 years. Don't forget, it was Oklahoma that LSU beat the year before, so they lost the big game in back to back years. `

 

[sandgk]

If you ask an Auburn fan or alum to name their big rival game the school that is named is Alabama - not LSU.

Even though Michigan is in yearly games against MSU and ND, they too will say that OSU is The Game - period.

So, I have to ask, is all this talk of LSU - Auburn a tad one sided? Akin, if you will to, the way that Penn State claims their yearly tilt against the Buckeyes as a rivalry - though for LSU-Auburn clearly of much longer duration.

 

[JXC]

On any given year, the Ohio State/Michigan game may not be the biggest game in the country...even though it was in 2006. But...it is the only rivalry that has stood the test of time. There may be times where it seems bigger to the nation then others, but overall it's the biggest.

 

[Bill Lucas]

Rule #1 in a rivalry. You only get one rival. LSU, Michigan State and UCLA will always be second fiddle to Alabama, Ohio State and Notre Dame.

You may think it's a rivalry (ask Michigan State about this) but ask Auburn who they'd pick to beat if they could only win one game a year and I guarantee they'll say Alabama.

LSU really doesn't have a rival. They play big games against big time opponents but there's no team out there to call a rival. They had Ole Miss in the past but that's history.

 

[Steve19]

And there is a history to The Game, which animates the rivalry every year (see Michigan-Ohio State rivalry - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia).

I can't find any reference to an LSU-Auburn rivalry anywhere, in a way that would be considered like The Game. Certainly, Auburn fans consider Alabama their rival, not LSU.

For instance, when ESPN asked viewers to vote on the top college football rivalry of all time, Auburn-Alabama made it into the final four, but Ohio State-Michigan was voted #1 (http://espn.go.com/page2/s/bracket/collegefootball/rivalry.html). LSU did not feature in any rivalries in either poll.

Earlier, in another ESPN poll, fans voted the Ohio State-Michigan rivalry as the top rivalry in sports in another ESPN poll. As they said,

1. Michigan vs. Ohio State
When Ohio Stadium opened in 1922, Michigan spoiled the party with a 22-0 victory. The rivalry was heated in the early days as both have been long-time college football powers. But it got even hotter in 1969, when Bo Schembechler took over as Michigan's coach and upset Woody Hayes' No. 1-ranked, undefeated Buckeyes. Four times in the next six years, both teams were ranked in the top five when they met. In 1970 and 1973, both were undefeated (they tied 10-10 in '73). From 1970 through 1975, Michigan entered without a loss every year. The Wolverines won just once. Ohio State was 9-0-1 in 1993, 11-0 in 1995 and 10-0 in 1996. The Buckeyes lost each time. That is rivalry. ESPN.com - ENDOFCENTURY - ESPN.com's 10 greatest rivalries.

Another Buckeye's rivalry ranked #5 (Jack Nicklaus vs Arnold Palmer).

For goodness sakes, there was even an HBO program dedicated to The Game this year.

While we respect the LSU Tigers football team that Ohio State is about to play, to suggest even tangentially, that LSU has anything like the football tradition of Ohio State, or a rivalry of the type between Ohio State and TSUN, is something that you would have very great difficulty getting anyone outside your fanbase (and inside your fanbase) to agree.