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Refuted: 2007 Illinois --Best in Big Ten?

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MililaniBuckeye;953197; said:
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That sums it up right there.
 
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Jaxbuck;953605; said:
I could have said $10 and you'd find an excuse to not take it. You lack faith in your convictions. If you believe something then stand by it, don't pussy around qualifying everything..."well what I meant was...I agree with this part but not that.." this isn't philosophy class or a bunch of mealy mouth politicians debating.

You either believe what you originally opened your suckhole about(UI was the best team) or you do not. As is easy to see by the backtracking and sidestepping, you don't really believe that shit, you just felt like arguing.
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If it makes you feel all proud of yourself, you're right: I lack faith that Illinois is the best team in the conference. Gosh, I feel like such a tiny little man. :! :! :! :! :!.

Well, I don't give a shit. If you put that much weight behind everything anyone says on a message board, I'd hate to see how you treat real life. I certainly don't put the full weight of all my beliefs and convictions behind a statement like "It's not a stretch to say Illinois is the best team in the conference,", and frankly I don't exactly appreciate you lumping in my observations on an article with my "convictions", which are entirely different.

I'm going to go on making observations, and you can go on overreacting to them, twisting them around, and making mountains out of molehills. The day I start confusing my observations on the sports world on an Internet message board with my strongly held convictions is the day I need to step back and go to an AA meeting for sportsoholics or something.
 
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HailToMichigan;953621; said:
If it makes you feel all proud of yourself, you're right: I lack faith that Illinois is the best team in the conference. Gosh, I feel like such a tiny little man. :! :! :! :! :!.

Well, I don't give a shit. If you put that much weight behind everything anyone says on a message board, I'd hate to see how you treat real life. I certainly don't put the full weight of all my beliefs and convictions behind a statement like "It's not a stretch to say Illinois is the best team in the conference,", and frankly I don't exactly appreciate you lumping in my observations on an article with my "convictions", which are entirely different.

I'm going to go on making observations, and you can go on overreacting to them, twisting them around, and making mountains out of molehills. The day I start confusing my observations on the sports world on an Internet message board with my strongly held convictions is the day I need to step back and go to an AA meeting for sportsoholics or something.
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Dude, seriously...

This place is full of people who spend too much time on an OSU football message board and you're taking us to task for taking this shit too seriously???

Whiskey
Tango
Foxtrot


...and oh yeah :io:
 
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DaddyBigBucks;953613; said:
Maybe we should add the words "HTM says" at the beginning of the title of this thread. It would make more sense that way.

After this post...


...there was absolutely no reason for any post to be made in this thread unless you felt like taking HTM to task for agreeing with the premise.

Then there was this...



...which would have proved to be another conversation killer IF it weren't for people wanting to keep HTM spinning.

I think all we've learned here is that Jax has the courage of his convictions and he has more discretionary income than HTM.

Of course, I knew that already. I've been to Jax's house...

And oh BTW, HTM: I'll bet you $1000 (or $10, your choice) that Jax's wife is hotter than yours too.
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No bet - I'm not married :tongue2: but the fact that you say "house" when referring to Jax's dwelling place is all the reason I need not to put my bankroll up against his.

You're right of course....I'm easy to spin up. Which is really why I stick around though.....can't get into this kind of entertaining argument only ever posting on my own teams' boards. It's all about rehashing "Carr sucks." "No he doesn't." and "Osgood sucks." "No he doesn't."

This place is full of people who spend too much time on an OSU football message board and you're taking us to task for taking this shit too seriously???
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Touche.

Anyway, maybe I should buzz off and cool down for a while.

P.S. ....

Just to kind of bring this thing to a close, Wyoming, Appalachian State. Did I leave anyone hanging out there? :wink2:
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Oregon.
 
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HailToMichigan;953588; said:
Again with all due respect to OSU's defense, I believe there isn't a defense in the conference that can bottle up Illinois' attack for a full 60. Their rushing attack is top-5 in the country.
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You can't be serious. I have faith that MANY defenses in the country could stop their running attack, not the least of which is the one in Columbus.


Combined - yes, I agree. There are better quarterbacks, better running backs, and better wideouts. Not on the same team.
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Putting them on a pedestal methinks. You're counting on an erratic option QB, a true-frosh receiver, and a very solid RB as the best combo in the B10? If tsun could unscrew whatever-tf is wrong at QB I'd say they're even better off. Ohio State could get a similar effect by putting Mo under center, lining Beanie up behind him and throwing Saine out wide... and that's just the 3-deep at RB.


Again, yes. If the defense can play as well as the offense, that would probably leap Illinois into top-5 in the country. Hell, if their defense were to live up to the praise so far lavished upon the offense in this article, they'd be favored to beat damn near anyone. But the defense hasn't distinguished themselves, to say the least.

So the answer to your question is, I agree with the premise, but Hayes comes to two conclusions: They're the best team in the Big Ten; and they'll be in Pasadena (where the best team in the Big Ten goes) if their defense steps it way the hell up. I agree with the latter but not the former, because "They're the best team in the conference" implies that the defense is worthy of that assertion, and it's not.
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To go to Pasadena, Illinois would have to win the conference outright -- less that "great" loss to Missouri comes back to haunt them. That means they have to win out. And honestly, I just don't see it.

That said, I still don't think it's a stretch to call Illinois the best team in the conference, because I'm not counting out their defense. I also don't think it's a stretch to call OSU the best team in the conference, and I also don't think it's a stretch to call Michigan the best team in the conference. (Call me biased, call me a lone keeper of the faith, but I think all the games left on UM's schedule are winnable. Which you can also say for Illinois and OSU.)
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To be calling ANYONE the best team in any conference at this point in this jacked-up season is pure fantasizing and posturing. That's all this moron writer is doing.

That said, Illinois does deserve some ink. But this kind of ink won't do them a bit of good down the stretch.
 
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HailToMichigan;953352; said:
After all, the bettors seemed to like one-loss, unranked Illinois over undefeated, top-5 Wisconsin.....and they were right.
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I actually like this line of thinking more than any other I have read. So, how many points do you think the Buckeyes will be favored by on Nov. 10?
 
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DaddyBigBucks;953613; said:
I've been to Jax's house...

And oh BTW, HTM: I'll bet you $1000 (or $10, your choice) that Jax's wife is hotter than yours too.
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Jax has a wife?

Can we get some RR pics of the two of them? Yeah, baby - HLA!



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