Reds Tidbits (2009 season)

[scott91575]

I don't know Jax, I'd tend to bunt there. Either they pitch to the next batter or intentionally walk him at that point.

As opposed to playing Tiddlywinks with him?

 

[Thump]

Yes. To the point of making a decision to play professionally or not. I knew I could never be anything more than a career minor leaguer and that was that.

First off, I was talking to cb40, and secondly, I couldn't disagree more.

 

[Thump]

1st and 2nd/no one out/someone go up and get a hit to break it open.

A hit with a runner on 1st and second doesn't even guarantee a run and at worst allows for a double play at any base if the bases are then loaded.

I don't care if you almost played major league ball or not, not bunting there was inexcusable.

 

[Jaxbuck]

I don't know Jax, I'd tend to bunt there. Either they pitch to the next batter or intentionally walk him at that point.

I'll take the free accumulation of a base without surrendering an out. Bases loaded, no one out its time to stop thinking about just getting 1 run imo.

Also, on the side of letting Dickerson hit was his .370+ OBP. The guy is good at not making outs regardless of how low his BA may be. Now if its Dusty's son in law up there sporting his sub .300 OBP I say bunt because he isn't much better than a pitcher anyway. Actually in CP's case I would pull a Buttermaker and tell him to go lean into one but thats just me.

Like I said, I can see either side. I don't see the clear cut bone head decision some do.

 

[Jaxbuck]

A hit with a runner on 1st and second doesn't even guarantee a run and at worst allows for a double play at any base if the bases are then loaded.

I don't care if you almost played major league ball or not, not bunting there was inexcusable.

I didn't mean that it gives me any more insight than anyone else, your post seemed to infer that anyone who had ever played the game would know to bunt in that situation.

I was simply showing that I did play the game and it isn't as night and day as you think. Dusty just read from a different page in the old Spalding managers guide to baseball than he usually does. The concept of playing for the tie at home and going for the win on the road is very common.

 

[BUCKYLE]

Yes. To the point of making a decision to play professionally or not. I knew I could never be anything more than a career minor leaguer and that was that.

Wait...wait...you could've played a game for a living and you chose otherwise?!

That, my friend, is fucking stupid. :p

 

[Jaxbuck]

Wait...wait...you could've played a game for a living and you chose otherwise?!

That, my friend, is fucking stupid. :p

Seemed like a good idea at the time :ohwell:

Besides, xxteenth round draft picks who hit left handed but can't hit lefty pitching for shit don't have a great track record of making it to the show (at least thats what I tell myself when I am having trouble sleeping.)

 

[scott91575]

Seemed like a good idea at the time :ohwell:

Besides, xxteenth round draft picks who hit left handed but can't hit lefty pitching for [censored] don't have a great track record of making it to the show (at least thats what I tell myself when I am having trouble sleeping.)

Do you throw left handed? If so, you should have learned how to pitch. I am convinced every person in the history of the US that can throw over 80 and is left handed has played in MLB.

 

[Jaxbuck]

Do you throw left handed? If so, you should have learned how to pitch. I am convinced every person in the history of the US that can throw over 80 and is left handed has played in MLB.

No I don't and I hear that a lot but I personally knew a guy a couple of years younger that could throw well into the 90's and was left handed. He lasted a couple of years with the Twins and that was it.

He was a tall left hander with velocity and they absolutely rocked his ass because he had no movement. He had an older brother that was right handed that had the same problem. Great velocity but string straight. He never made it out of the minors. MLB hitters are insanely good, even the average ones.

You can get them with location and movement if you have Maddux like control (99% of humans don't) but if you try the old rare back and blow it by them school of pitching you better have movement or even the run of the mill guys will pound you. Little Danny Herrera is effective because they aren't geared for velocity that low. If they see him too often I guarantee you they can time him and it will be BP home run time.

 

[crazybuckfan40]

Have you ever even played baseball?

Not bunting there was inexcusable.

Hell, a 13 year old Babe Ruth coach would know to bunt.

Down 1 in the eighth with runners on 1st and 2nd with no outs is a guaranteed bunt situation. Especially with a team that struggles to put runs on the board.

If you recall, Dickerson had not been that hot going into that game. Plus, a left-handed batter who's got speed already has an advantage in a bunting situation.

And why do you figure one of the next 3 guys gets a hit, at best, each guy has a 3/10 chance of getting a hit.

Plus, by advancing the runners, a fly ball or ground ball almost guarantees a run since the only force out is at first.

This is baseball 101 and Baker failed.

Jax covered anything that I would of said here...

I don't understand why some don't understand the idea of you have 3 outs in an inning why give one up when you already have a guy in scoring positoin...

As for the have i ever played...Yes sir I have...why that means whether I can debate this issue or not I have no idea...Because you can't see two sides of things, not sure how to help you there...

It will always depend on the situation...With Dickerson at the plate, I have no problem...If Hairston is up there with guys like Votto, Phillips up next well maybe it is a different situation...

But it was Dickerson, Taveras, hairston...You give up one out, do you feel ocnfident in Taveras getting a fly ball sac fly? what about Hairston with 2 outs? Why not let Dickerson swing the bat, He has shown that he is solid at the plate with the bat, in his ability to not make an out...

And I get so sick and tired of hearing Marty/Thom/Chris/ whoever talk about this small ball shit, even if Bruce comes up with a guy on second and he lines one to the first baseman that is caught they will say he didn't get the job done and make a productive out, by grounding out to the right side...

 

[jlb1705]

So you have Dickerson up...Who is pretty good handling the bat, and has been swinging a decent stick as of late...Down 1 run in the 8th inning...

Yeah I know the Reds struggle to score runs, but you bunt him over they walk the next guy, and you are basically back where you started with the double play, now you have a force at home as well, and you have 1 less out to play with...

You guys are all playing to tie the game...you have a guy at 2nd already...I just don't understand why you give up an out there...then a double play gets them out of the inning...

We had top of the lineup with 1,2,3...You have to figure that one of them could get a hit, and better yet you have to think, that a double, or two hits, and you take the lead...You don't strangle hold your offense when it is already at a strangle hold...I don't remember who was in the 1,2,3 hole that game, but chances are that you feel better about scoring the runner if our 3 hole hitter (Votto, Bruce, Phillips) gets up...

Well, Dickerson was pinch hitting in the #9 spot, and #1 was T-virus. I don't remember who came after him. If you bunt successfully with the #9 batter, you have runners on second and third. In that situation, the other team can put that next runner on and play for a DP. However, that loads the bases which means you can score on a walk or HBP with the #2 batter at the plate (or with the next batter even if the #2 guy strikes out or something). Or, if they decide to pitch to Taveras the other team will have to bring in their infield, which I think would benefit a hitter like T-virus who could be more likely to reach on a slap hit or a grounder getting thru.

Stupidity is Dave Miley sitting Dunn and JR on the same night in Coors field for Aurillia and Freel. Now that my friends was [censored]ing stupid.

Or pinch hitting Juan Castro for Josh Hamilton?

 

[Jaxbuck]

Or pinch hitting Juan Castro for Josh Hamilton?

Holy fuck. I must have passed out in a fit and missed that one. Thats pretty much the topper, in fact I'd dare say that like Johnny Vander Meer's no hit record, no one will ever top that.

Just one more example of why I get so pissed off when I hear people blame the losing this decade on the offense. With the pitching, defense and managing we've had the '27 Yankees couldn't win.

 

[schwab]

Nice win in St. Looey, 5-3

bonus: Brewers lost

 

[scott91575]

Up next Brad Thompson. They have to beat anyone that looks like this...

 

[jlb1705]

You just know that the Reds are gonna get owned by that fucking goober.