Real Life CFB Trolls

[BUCKYLE]

Hang me for one out of 80, OK, I deserved it, but Glendale is South of the Mason - Dixon line. And Alabama may have won an NC at the Rose Bowl in the days of Dixie Howell and Don Hutson. Oh, the later also proved that you could play football up north during his long career with the Packers as did Bart Starr.

Sorry.

I just think it's funny how the SEC fans here are saying northern teams are, in no way, disadvantaged by playing in the south, yet are so adamant about bowls not being played in the north.

 

[BigWoof31]

Logic? You want logic? Here's some logic; from 1890 to 1960 the dawgs never left Dixie. Now what would be the logic behind that? Perhaps the same logic that kept Jim Brown at home while the rest of his Syracuse teammates lined up for a Cotton Bowl game, or the logic that kept South Pacific from ever playing south of Washington DC.

I appreciate your sensitivity towards Jim Crow laws - but it's hardly an answer that pertains to this discussion.
Why not take it a step further and call me a bigot. Your tone certainly gives that vibe and its the easiest comeback in the world.

You want more logic? How's this: No SEC team has ever won a National Championship playing outside Dixie.

This statement is almost Colin Cowherd bad.
2006 Florida
1998 UT - at the old site of the Fiesta Bowl
And every league champion prior to 1997 was slotted to play in the Sugar Bowl, just as every Big 10 champ was slotted to play in the Rose Bowl. My goodness, please remind me again how your players survived all that sunshine!!!1112

Or this: the home team advantage is a consistent 7 to 10 points in Vegas. Hmmmm, I wonder what that could possibly mean (and please, Gator, don't try and tell us that Florida, playing in the Orange Bowl, would be disadvantaged if the opponent was from north of Kentucky and west of the Mississippi.)

I've already made my feelings clear on this. Ticket sales should reflect more of a 50/50 split.
And you were significant favorites in 2006.

Logic tells me that geography is an advantage and therefore needs to be balanced out. If SEC and Miami fans just can't seperate themselves from where half of them were born, tough [censored]. Fair is fair. If Favre can play football in Green Bay so can the SEC.

You fail to explain yourself properly so I'll assume that you mean it's unfair you have to play in the Sugar Bowl when Baton Rouge is 2 hours drive.
If the game had been played in Seattle - you'd be complaining about time zones and similar geographic hardships.
Furthermore - I know that you know, deep down inside Big 10 coaching staffs, when breaking down film and going over opponents for the biggest of bowls games aren't saying "Damn, how are we gonna deal with this perfect weather??? What in the world are we gonna do??? It's such a huge disadvantage for us." They are focused on scheme and match ups. Not climate, as it should be.

And you fail to present a suggestion for where it could be held?
Chicago and New York are the only reasonable suggestions.
I'd say perhaps St. Louis or Minny or Detroit or Indy but then you'd beat your chest and stomp your feet and "ROAR! Real men play outdoors! yeahyeaI'mright hugeballsrealtoughgrrr!"

 

[ImFrigginFly]

FWIW, now you're just sounding like a stereotypical SEC-er. Just sayin' you should probably tone it down with the personal attacks, as the mods have been known to have an itchy trigger finger for outsiders.
We all love spirited debate, but when you start comparing people to Colin Cowherd, the line has been drawn

 

[Gatorubet]

FWIW, now you're just sounding like a stereotypical SEC-er. Just sayin' you should probably tone it down with the personal attacks, as the mods have been known to have an itchy trigger finger for outsiders.
We all love spirited debate, but when you start comparing people to Colin Cowherd, the line has been drawn

There was not one damn reason to go down the path of segregation when the subject was bowl season dynamics. If it is "stereotypical" not to take being called a bigot by inference and geographical lumping well, count me in.

Both Woof and cinci are good guys, although Woof supports the poodles, so you can both dial it down a notch.


Not that friggin is not giving good advice.

 

[Best Buckeye]

There was not one damn reason to go down the path of segregation when the subject was bowl season dynamics. If it is "stereotypical" not to take being called a bigot by inference and geographical lumping well, count me in.

Both Woof and cinci are good guys, although Woof supports the poodles, so you can both dial it down a notch.

Yeah , all you southerners talk like that.

 

[ImFrigginFly]

There was not one damn reason to go down the path of segregation when the subject was bowl season dynamics. If it is "stereotypical" not to take being called a bigot by inference and geographical lumping well, count me in.

Both Woof and cinci are good guys, although Woof supports the poodles, so you can both dial it down a notch.

Ah I should have thrown some sarcasm font in there a little bit. Was more or less a joke post, my fault

 

[Gatorubet]

Yeah , all you southerners talk like that.

Don't forget those New Mexicans south of the Mason Dixon :p

 

[buckeyemania11]

the media (ESPN) is to blame for the creation of SEC homers

these morons will listen and believe everything ESPN says and ESPN has boasted the SEC to the max the past few years and given these goobers some sort of high and mighty obnoxious elitist attitude

I must say its pretty hilarious when you see Ole Miss and Kentucky fans acting like their team won the national title because a team in the conference they played in win it

 

[Gatorubet]

the media (ESPN) is to blame for the creation of SEC homers

these morons will listen and believe everything ESPN says and ESPN has boasted the SEC to the max the past few years and given these goobers some sort of high and mighty obnoxious elitist attitude

That's because the goobers have a BCS record for wins and MNC's unmatched by - for example - your conference - and everybody else's conference...the last few years.

I must say its pretty hilarious when you see Ole Miss and Kentucky fans acting like their team won the national title because a team in the conference they played in win it

We have beaten into the ground the fact that we (SEC) have more intense conference pride and back each other's teams in OOC games during the regular and bowl season in a manner different than your mindset.

We think it bizarre that you don't care so much about your other conference teams' wins. But having the best conference right now, we are fine with being laughed at about it.

Having said that, this could get off track. This is not a bash everything SEC thread, but a discussion about why it is unfair to you to play in the south in years that you don't win. :p

 

[ImFrigginFly]

That's because the goobers have a BCS record for wins and MNC's unmatched by - for example - your conference - and everybody else's conference...the last few years.



We have beaten into the ground the fact that we (SEC) have more intense conference pride and back each other's teams in OOC games during the regular and bowl season in a manner different than your mindset.

We think it bizarre that you don't care so much about your other conference teams' wins. But having the best conference right now, we are fine with being laughed at about it.

Having said that, this could get off track. This is not a bash everything SEC thread, but a discussion about why it is unfair to you to play in the south in years that you don't win. :p

Sounds awesome :tongue2:

 

[Nutriaitch]

the Sugar Bowl when Baton Rouge is 2 hours drive.

It's more like 1 hour, maybe a little over, but not much.


My take on Bowl locations

• Weather: Northern teams play the 1st half of the season in similar weather to what most Bowl Locations still offer in January, so I don't see this as an advantage to one side or the other. Moving the games up North (in January) however, would definitely give an advantage to a cold weather team. Just like playing a 3pm game in Baton Rouge in August might kill a team from the Northeast.
• Time Zones: Can definitely be an issue. An East Coast team playing out West (or the other way around) could struggle with the change. Starting a game an hour or so before your normal bedtime (or an hour or so after you normally wake up) can definitely take it's toll. Obviously, if both schools come from the same time zone, then obviously the effect is equal.
• Travel Distance: This is a big one IMO. Of course the streets of NOLA will have more Tiger fans than any other school that would show up (this would be true even if LSU wasn't playing). Local businesses that sop up tickets every year are naturally going to be rooting for the team closest to them. This doesn't even take into account a "comfort zone". When mom and dad are only an hour or so away, you can go visit them in a evening without a problem and get a nice home cooked meal. When mom and dad are 9 states away, all you get is a phone call.

 

[OCBucksFan]

Hang me for one out of 80, OK, I deserved it, but Glendale is South of the Mason - Dixon line. And Alabama may have won an NC at the Rose Bowl in the days of Dixie Howell and Don Hutson. Oh, the later also proved that you could play football up north during his long career with the Packers as did Bart Starr.

It's posts like this that lead me to ask the question; What is older, sand or Cinci?

:p

 

[jwinslow]

Having said that, this could get off track. This is not a bash everything SEC thread, but a discussion about why it is unfair to you to play in the south in years that you don't win. :p

I know you LOVE this go-to argument, but do try to notice that the discussion here is about conferences, and quite clearly built around that. I know most don't realize there are other b10-sec games out there besides OSU's, but I'm quite sure you are. Even ones against mediocre UM balclubs.

It's not like the b10 is firing on all cylinders either in these b10-SEC matchups. Penn State is a shell of itself (but still on par with auburn), Michigan is obviously reeling, Purdue & Iowa are way down from their past play, etc. Yet every year, all of these wildly overmatched b10 clubs give the SEC teams very tough games, or *gasp* beat them... with the exception of our team.

We have beaten into the ground the fact that we (SEC) have more intense conference pride and back each other's teams in OOC games during the regular and bowl season in a manner different than your mindset.

We think it bizarre that you don't care so much about your other conference teams' wins. But having the best conference right now, we are fine with being laughed at about it.

A conveniently incomplete representation of this syndrome.

It's not conference pride. It's riding coattails.

UK, Scar, Arky, Bama, Vandy, Ole Miss, Miss St... heck even Tenn lately... don't have much to write home about themselves, so why not be obnoxiously boisterous and live vicariously through the 3-4 elite teams in the conference? No Aubbies, you aren't elite. Yep, that's the ticket. S-E-C! S-E-C.

What? We had to scrap to pull away from a horrendous NC State team? Oh, we're finally assured of victory? Cheer for our team? Nope, let's boast about the conference. That makes a ton of sense... must be why everyone else does it.

 

[BigWoof31]

FWIW, now you're just sounding like a stereotypical SEC-er. Just sayin' you should probably tone it down with the personal attacks, as the mods have been known to have an itchy trigger finger for outsiders.
We all love spirited debate, but when you start comparing people to Colin Cowherd, the line has been drawn

You're 100% correct and I lost my cool. The cowherd line was way below the belt - the post did come at 11:30 at night so I'll tack it up to lost patience and sleepiness.

I think everyone knows where I stand on the issue - rather than continue to raise the ire of everyone who disagrees, I'll recuse myself from the thread and focus on this weekends games.

Good talk. :box:

 

[cincibuck]

I appreciate your sensitivity towards Jim Crow laws - but it's hardly an answer that pertains to this discussion.
Why not take it a step further and call me a bigot. Your tone certainly gives that vibe and its the easiest comeback in the world.



This statement is almost Colin Cowherd bad.
2006 Florida
1998 UT - at the old site of the Fiesta Bowl
And every league champion prior to 1997 was slotted to play in the Sugar Bowl, just as every Big 10 champ was slotted to play in the Rose Bowl. My goodness, please remind me again how your players survived all that sunshine!!!1112



I've already made my feelings clear on this. Ticket sales should reflect more of a 50/50 split.
And you were significant favorites in 2006.



You fail to explain yourself properly so I'll assume that you mean it's unfair you have to play in the Sugar Bowl when Baton Rouge is 2 hours drive.
If the game had been played in Seattle - you'd be complaining about time zones and similar geographic hardships.
Furthermore - I know that you know, deep down inside Big 10 coaching staffs, when breaking down film and going over opponents for the biggest of bowls games aren't saying "Damn, how are we gonna deal with this perfect weather??? What in the world are we gonna do??? It's such a huge disadvantage for us." They are focused on scheme and match ups. Not climate, as it should be.

And you fail to present a suggestion for where it could be held?
Chicago and New York are the only reasonable suggestions.
I'd say perhaps St. Louis or Minny or Detroit or Indy but then you'd beat your chest and stomp your feet and "ROAR! Real men play outdoors! yeahyeaI'mright hugeballsrealtoughgrrr!"

You're right. Bussing proved that those of us in the North were not the angels of civil rights we thought ourselves to be. I apologize for the implication.

If the purpose of the bowls is to establish something approaching a National Championship then the history and reasons that put the current bowls in place is passe. It is also ilogical to assume that playing a game in the sunbelt guarantees good weather or that the weather in Northern cities would be prohibitive. If that were the case most of the NFL would have to end their season in early November.

I do not for one second believe that a change of venue would have kept Florida or LSU from winning the last two NC games (though I do believe that the loss of Tedd Ginn was important in the 06 score). Likewise I don't think that placing a major bowl in the North will keep good athletes from winning, or limit their playing style... again, the NFL proves every year that you can pass in cold weater, rain and snow. Some may disagree, but I don't see much difference in style of football from one region to the other. Some programs are wide open, some stress the run. It has more to do with coaching philosophy and talent than region or weather.

BUT I will never believe that geography is not an issue. We all have a geographical base. Regardless of how I feel on the third Saturday in November, I'd never go to a BCS bowl in Soldier Field and cheer for Georgia/Florida/LSU/Alabama against Michigan -- or Michigan State/Penn State/Wisconsin... although I would if they were playing Notre Dame, but that's a whole other issue... it's regional pride, it's conference loyalty and it's geographical nearness to the contest and familarity with the culture of Chicago and those schools.

If the issue is football, not tourism or segregation, then where is the harm in playing the games in different geographical areas? Let Chicago based banks and corps buy up blocks of tickets and hand them out to folks in their locale. Let Georgia fans have to spend time acclimating and finding housing, food and entertainment. I don't believe that a Columbus business man is going to buy a block of tickets to the Sugar Bowl on the off chance that OSU might play there in December, but he is apt to buy a block of tickets to Soldier Field in the knowledge that the Big 10 champs would play there.

As long as the BCS NC sites remain in Miami, New Orleans, Dallas, Glendale and LA the teams of Big Ten remain at a geographical disadvantage.