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matcar
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I know that Maurice has made some atrocious decisions, and for that, he's doing hard time. I also remember how he was unavailable due to injury for a signifcant portion of the season. However, as others have said, we simply do not play for, or win, in 2002 without him. Jwins correctly noted that his production in the NC was pedestrian, but as he also noted, that D was fantastic, and it was keying on Maurice. That gave Krenzel the opportunity, and boy did Craig shine :)
Yes, Maurice brought baggage, and frankly, left a lot of baggage in his wake. But there is a part of me that will always love this guy because of his football heart. For me, having missed the 1968 season....my life as a Buckeye fan has been absolutely smothered with near misses, heartbreak and what ifs. Maurice and the rest of that 2002 TEAM took away a lot of pain for me. (Yes, I know it's silly that I even care that much about football, but that's a subject for another thread).
I don't know if Maurice coulda/woulda/shoulda been the greatest and I certainly know that Beans brought the goods in more ways than just carrying the team. What I also know is that Maurice and the TEAM brought me the kind of joy that I can otherwise only get from my wife/son. As I get further from 2002, I savor that more and more. Beanie leaves with a much higher Buckeye legacy and is someone to be very proud of, but Maurice will always be special in his own way as well.
I hope the young man...who as others have noted will STILL be a young man when he is not incarcerated, pulls it together somewhere in life. There's still plenty of time for him to become a great person.
Yes, Maurice brought baggage, and frankly, left a lot of baggage in his wake. But there is a part of me that will always love this guy because of his football heart. For me, having missed the 1968 season....my life as a Buckeye fan has been absolutely smothered with near misses, heartbreak and what ifs. Maurice and the rest of that 2002 TEAM took away a lot of pain for me. (Yes, I know it's silly that I even care that much about football, but that's a subject for another thread).
I don't know if Maurice coulda/woulda/shoulda been the greatest and I certainly know that Beans brought the goods in more ways than just carrying the team. What I also know is that Maurice and the TEAM brought me the kind of joy that I can otherwise only get from my wife/son. As I get further from 2002, I savor that more and more. Beanie leaves with a much higher Buckeye legacy and is someone to be very proud of, but Maurice will always be special in his own way as well.
I hope the young man...who as others have noted will STILL be a young man when he is not incarcerated, pulls it together somewhere in life. There's still plenty of time for him to become a great person.
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In 2007, Beanie had 20 rushes for 146 yards (7.30 average) and one touchdown against LSU; this accounted for 41.4% of OSU's offense in that game (146/353). Take out Beanie's long run (65-yard TD), and his yards per carry drops to a rather pedestrian 4.26; take out his other long run (29 yards - the stiff arm play), and his average drops to 2.89; in all, 15 of Beanie's 20 carries were for 5 yards or less; 11 were for 3 yards or less. Arkansas, led by Darren McFadden and Felix Jones, rushed for 385 yards (7.26 average) and scored 50 points against LSU's famed defense. Even Ole Miss rushed for 201 yards (7.18 average) against the Bayou Bengals. LSU's defense gave up an average of 19.9 points and 106.1 yards rushing (3.2 average) per game in 2007; the Buckeyes scored 24 against them and rushed for 145 yards.mross34;1351247; said:
In 2002, MoC had 20 rushes for 119 yards (5.95 average) and one touchdown against Michigan; plus two receptions for 35 yards; this accounted for 58.3% of OSU's offense in that game (154/264); take out Clarett's long rush (28 yards), and his average drops to 4.79; take out his second long rush (18 yard), and his average drops to 4.05; in all, 12 of MoC's rushes were for 3 yards or less, and the other 8 rushes were for 6 yards or greater; MoC's final three attempts were for 0, 0, and 2 as the Buckeyes tried to run out the clock; with those three plays taken out (which might as well have been Krenzel taking a knee), MoC's average goes up to 6.88 (17 carries for 117 yards). Michigan's defense gave up an average of 20.4 points and 123.2 yards rushing (3.4 average) per game in 2002; the Buckeyes scored 14 against them, and rushed for 140 yards.
In the end, it's all just a bunch of numbers, so take them for what they are worth. Stats may reflect greatness, but they don't define greatness. I saw both backs play, and in my humble and semi-educated opinion, MoC was just a little bit greater than Beanie.
It's kinda nice that we can have this argument.... :)
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redbenn
jack of all trades, master of none
LordJeffBuck;1351315; said:
i guess we should all take heed to the advice in my signature
... both are great backs... MoC was part of a NC at OSU and who knows what more could've been, and Beanie has been one of the greatest (best against scUM)
(and Beanie was better than MoC)
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GoBuckeyes27
Chicks Dig Sweatervests
Mo vs Beanie
I can see your point but don't necessarily agree with your logic. Eliminating Beanie's longer runs before comparing their stats/ averages doesn't give a fair representation of what he can do. Taking the offensive line and QB play into account, I don't think you can penalize him for being more of homerun threat than a ground and pound, three yards and a cloud of dust back. That said, Mo was a true freshman starting at Ohio State... He was a game changer as well and would have continued to do great things had he had more time. IMO, we didn't get to see enough of Mo to really make the comparison.
Ultimately, both will have their place in Ohio State history...
LordJeffBuck;1351315; said:
I can see your point but don't necessarily agree with your logic. Eliminating Beanie's longer runs before comparing their stats/ averages doesn't give a fair representation of what he can do. Taking the offensive line and QB play into account, I don't think you can penalize him for being more of homerun threat than a ground and pound, three yards and a cloud of dust back. That said, Mo was a true freshman starting at Ohio State... He was a game changer as well and would have continued to do great things had he had more time. IMO, we didn't get to see enough of Mo to really make the comparison.
Ultimately, both will have their place in Ohio State history...
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I don't mean to bust on anyone here, but I can't believe people are using phrases like "best...I've ever seen" with MoC. Yes, he had a lot of potential, and yes, he played like the hard-assed arrogant prick he was, which was really good on the football field. But people who have seen our other backs, Keith Byars in his prime in particular...I just don't know, I don't see what MoC showed in 6 games that made him the greatest anything. The bottom line is the great ones, the really great ones, as in the ones who win the Heisman, or go on to be Jerry Rice, have 3 elements:
-Raw natural talent
-Stunning work ethic
-Ability and desire to take advice and coaching to go from being good to being great
I'll give him one of those, ok 2...Anyone think MoC had all 3 though? He was too much of a prima donna to be one of the "all-time greatest" because if nothing else he would have gotten in his own way of doing so. Yes, it was a great play against Taylor in the NC game. But watch some film, read some accounts, and even for 1 game I'll take Archie, Byars, or Eddie over MoC any day.
-Raw natural talent
-Stunning work ethic
-Ability and desire to take advice and coaching to go from being good to being great
I'll give him one of those, ok 2...Anyone think MoC had all 3 though? He was too much of a prima donna to be one of the "all-time greatest" because if nothing else he would have gotten in his own way of doing so. Yes, it was a great play against Taylor in the NC game. But watch some film, read some accounts, and even for 1 game I'll take Archie, Byars, or Eddie over MoC any day.
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BuckeyePride
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Freshman year to freshman year. Clarett was better.. in my opinion.
Won NC. That alone adds lots of weight in my books.
Won NC. That alone adds lots of weight in my books.
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We've had numerous issues concerning this thread. Everyone knows this site does not condone any form of Buckeye bashing...and this thread is a very easy target for such bashing to occur. There are still some very volatile emotions concerning Maurice and we understand that. However, there is a consistent escalation in the temperament of this thread every time someone digs it up.
Therefore, this thread is closed for discussion. We will post any relevant news if needed but hopefully this thread sinks into the archives.
If you have any questions or something that needs to be posted, send a PM.
Grazie.
Therefore, this thread is closed for discussion. We will post any relevant news if needed but hopefully this thread sinks into the archives.
If you have any questions or something that needs to be posted, send a PM.
Grazie.
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Received a number of PMs today...as far as we can tell and have been told, this is really MoC. Some good stuff in there..
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