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RB Jaamal Berry (Transfer to Murray State)

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stowfan;1760573; said:
I think he made a strong case for being only behind Saine :)
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Maybe, but the timing of his carries has to be considered too. He ran the ball hard and looked good when he was in there, but his touches came in the 4th quarter against a tired D. Boom still has a pretty good hold on that #2 spot I think.
 
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JBaney45;1760578; said:
Maybe, but the timing of his carries has to be considered too. He ran the ball hard and looked good when he was in there, but his touches came in the 4th quarter against a tired D. Boom still has a pretty good hold on that #2 spot I think.
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I don't know...Dan Herron has been, statistically speaking, one of OSU's worst featured backs of the decade.

He averaged an atrocious 3.9ypc last year. Any way you cut that, its horrible. Even worse than Lydell Ross in '04's bad campaign. If he returns to '08 form where he had 4.9ypc, he may keep his #2 spot. But unless that happens, I don't think he'll stay there. Oh, and comparatively, Saine had 5.1ypc last year.

So yeah, I think that unless Herron does something amazing at Miami, chances are, he's gonna be #3 as a situational back.

Berry has a very, very bright future wearing Scarlet & Grey.
 
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Mrstickball;1760679; said:
I don't know...Dan Herron has been, statistically speaking, one of OSU's worst featured backs of the decade.

He averaged an atrocious 3.9ypc last year. Any way you cut that, its horrible. Even worse than Lydell Ross in '04's bad campaign. If he returns to '08 form where he had 4.9ypc, he may keep his #2 spot. But unless that happens, I don't think he'll stay there. Oh, and comparatively, Saine had 5.1ypc last year.

So yeah, I think that unless Herron does something amazing at Miami, chances are, he's gonna be #3 as a situational back.

Berry has a very, very bright future wearing Scarlet & Grey.
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You obviously haven't been watching the games...
 
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Mrstickball;1760679; said:
I don't know...Dan Herron has been, statistically speaking, one of OSU's worst featured backs of the decade.

He averaged an atrocious 3.9ypc last year. Any way you cut that, its horrible. Even worse than Lydell Ross in '04's bad campaign. If he returns to '08 form where he had 4.9ypc, he may keep his #2 spot. But unless that happens, I don't think he'll stay there. Oh, and comparatively, Saine had 5.1ypc last year.

So yeah, I think that unless Herron does something amazing at Miami, chances are, he's gonna be #3 as a situational back.

Berry has a very, very bright future wearing Scarlet & Grey.
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Boom averaged 3.9 YPC against legit BCS defenses. Not very good I'll admit but Berry looked amazing against a tired Marshall defense. Let's see what he does against some conference teams before we officially declare him #2.
 
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Mrstickball;1760679; said:
I don't know...Dan Herron has been, statistically speaking, one of OSU's worst featured backs of the decade.

He averaged an atrocious 3.9ypc last year. Any way you cut that, its horrible. Even worse than Lydell Ross in '04's bad campaign. If he returns to '08 form where he had 4.9ypc, he may keep his #2 spot. But unless that happens, I don't think he'll stay there. Oh, and comparatively, Saine had 5.1ypc last year.

So yeah, I think that unless Herron does something amazing at Miami, chances are, he's gonna be #3 as a situational back.

Berry has a very, very bright future wearing Scarlet & Grey.
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Not sure where you got the idea to compare Boom to Lydell Ross but that is not really accurate. In the 2004 season you cite, Lydell had fewer yards, almost half the number of TDs and basically the same ypc but, he led the team in carries. Boom was behind TP in carries on last year's team and had about the same as Saine behind an offensive line that had its fair share of issues throughout last season.

I agree with your prediction on Berry and his bright future here, but I am not ready to anoint him as the savior based on this week's performance alone. He's going to have to show the coaches more before he jumps anyone on the depth chart.
 
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JBaney45;1760578; said:
Maybe, but the timing of his carries has to be considered too. He ran the ball hard and looked good when he was in there, but his touches came in the 4th quarter against a tired D. Boom still has a pretty good hold on that #2 spot I think.
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The other side of that is; Berry was not running behind the #1 O-Line. What I saw was "the vision" that separates the great backs from the good ones. By way of example; Mo C, had "the vision".
 
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MililaniBuckeye;1760680; said:
You obviously haven't been watching the games...
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Which game, pray tell, haven't I been watching? Herron hasn't had a 100 yard game in his entire 3-year career at OSU. He's had flashes of brilliance, but he has yet to 'break out' in a game.

I'm sorry, but if you've had dozens of 15+ carry games and never had one game with 100+ yards, no matter the caliber of defense you faced, there may be another back to come along to take your place.

I don't get the 'bad o-line' arguments, either. Saine had the same line in 2009. He had 2 100-yard games. One of which was Iowa, when Herron rushed over 30 times for fewer yards than Saine did with just 11 carries. Did the o-line magically get better for him when he was in the backfield and, on average, had an extra 1.2 yards per each and every carry?

Statistically speaking, that can and should put a running back on shaky ground. Maybe Herron will turn the corner this year since he's a junior. I hope he does, I really do, as he's shown that he can gash teams when the timings right. However, I just look at the numbers, and they don't add up for him being a guy that gets 15+ carries on a consistent basis. I see the #2 RB position being a mix between Herron, Berry and Hall until one breaks out. I believe the one that will, will be Berry, which will take over duties when Saine graduates.
 
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Boom's "entire 3-year career at OSU" has consisted of a red shirt, playing behind Beanie (2 starts, 2 DNP), and splitting time with Saine (4 starts, 3 DNP). I don't see how you can say he's been a featured back, let alone worst of the decade.

Berry was very impressive Thurs. His quickness in getting past the LOS is unbelievable. I also like how he maintains his forward momentum when he's making moves. The RB talent OSU is amassing right now is just extraordinary.
 
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Mrstickball;1761081; said:
Which game, pray tell, haven't I been watching?
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Dunno, but you clearly haven't paying attention. All you have to do is look back two years. Do you want to compare '08 Saine to '08 Boom? You know, when Saine was injured and Boom wasn't? It's only fair since that's what you're doing by comparing '09 Boom to '09 Saine when Boom was banged up.

IMO, Berry has more ability than Herron. But it isn't fair to Boom to judge him solely by last year. He showed plenty of ability as a redshirt frosh.
 
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OregonBuckeye;1761933; said:
Dunno, but you clearly haven't paying attention. All you have to do is look back two years. Do you want to compare '08 Saine to '08 Boom? You know, when Saine was injured and Boom wasn't? It's only fair since that's what you're doing by comparing '09 Boom to '09 Saine when Boom was banged up.

IMO, Berry has more ability than Herron. But it isn't fair to Boom to judge him solely by last year. He showed plenty of ability as a redshirt frosh.
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I don't think we're going to agree on this one. I don't see how you can compare Saine's injuries in 2008 when he had under 30 carries the entire year, to Herron who had over 150 in 2009. If he was really, truly injured...Why not play Saine a whole lot more?

I digress. We will need to see how the season plays out. Maybe Herron does wind up returning to '08 form and get about 5 yards a carry. However, given the Marshall game....If that was any indication...Not likely.
 
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