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RB Jaamal Berry (Transfer to Murray State)

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kinch;2021052; said:
This is what I am wondering.

I can picture some kid getting hit by a car, but apparently unhurt. Jamaal laughs and points or something. The kid's friend says something. Jamaal says something back. The kid mutters under his breath. Jamaal hits them both once sending them to the ground.

Who knows though.
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Or the kid ran out in the street (chasing after the car) trying to 'pick a fight' with whoever was in the car and got hit. Things were said, or maybe Berry knew who was in the car and it escalated from that. All guesses at this point.
 
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MaxBuck;2021017; said:
Based on what? There isn't enough evidence to charge him with a crime, apparently, yet you want to throw the kid out?

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He has now been involved with two "incidents" that he has not been charged with crimes and one he was. There was that felony drug possession charge back in 09 http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/sports/2009/06/13/berry_follow.ART_ART_06-13-09_C2_6LE5RAQ.html which was later dropped to a misdemeanor. With a program that is under scrutiny already, it does not need any more "incidents" like this or like the Dominic Clarke BB-gun shooting.
 
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Buckeyefrankmp;2021223; said:
He has now been involved with two "incidents" that he has not been charged with crimes and one he was. There was that felony drug possession charge back in 09 http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/sports/2009/06/13/berry_follow.ART_ART_06-13-09_C2_6LE5RAQ.html which was later dropped to a misdemeanor. With a program that is under scrutiny already, it does not need any more "incidents" like this or like the Dominic Clarke BB-gun shooting.
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Unless you populate the team with robots rather than teenaged young men, I don't know how you can expect to completely avoid "incidents" of stupidity.

Again, Berry was disciplined for the criminal incident. Unless and until this one either becomes a criminal case, or Berry admits malfeasance to the staff, I'd rather let things play out before rushing to judgment. But I agree with you on this - it ain't much fun to see getting played out in the media.
 
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MaxBuck;2021225; said:
Unless you populate the team with robots rather than teenaged young men, I don't know how you can expect to completely avoid "incidents" of stupidity.

Again, Berry was disciplined for the criminal incident. Unless and until this one either becomes a criminal case, or Berry admits malfeasance to the staff, I'd rather let things play out before rushing to judgment. But I agree with you on this - it ain't much fun to see getting played out in the media.
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I think you're using the word "stupidity" a little too loosely here. Going out and getting hammered to the point that you're staggering home, throwing up on the sidewalk, is stupid. Giving somebody a physical beating, with no morally or legally cognizable justification, is something well beyond stupid, is not something that most teenagers or twenty-somethings do, and should not be regarded as some boys-will-be-boys rite of passage. I'm not asserting that's what happened here, I don't know what happened here. But that's the allegation, and if it's true, it's not merely "stupid", it's reprehensible.

Sometimes criminal complaints aren't brought for reasons other than lack of evidence, and it remains to be seen whether criminal charges will be brought here. Regardless, I think you're being overly generous by essentially universally (or perhaps not so universally) equating lack of a criminal conviction with actual innocence. But bear in mind that the evidentiary standard is much lower in a civil trial than it is in a criminal trial. Even if criminal charges aren't brought, but Berry loses a civil trial for tortious battery, I think that would at least lend credence to the opinion that those in a position to do so may need to rethink his participation in the program.
 
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Buckeyefrankmp;2021223; said:
He has now been involved with two "incidents" that he has not been charged with crimes and one he was. There was that felony drug possession charge back in 09 http://www.dispatch.com/content/sto...berry_follow.ART_ART_06-13-09_C2_6LE5RAQ.html which was later dropped to a misdemeanor. With a program that is under scrutiny already, it does not need any more "incidents" like this or like the Dominic Clarke BB-gun shooting.
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Why not?

I mean, seriously... we have a dude get suspended, after we already were in trouble, for taking money at a charity event. He was a captain shortly after.

We have our star tailback, gets suspended as part of the Tat-5(4), then gets an additonal game tacked on because he took extra pay.. and he's the starting tailback DAY 1 over a kid who (1) is the leading rusher and (2) hasn't been suspended.

I mean, why wouldn't these guys do whatever the fuck they wanted? Posey is the only one who has got fucked - TP went on his way and got paid. Our LT and RB are starters RIGHT away, and the other tailback is a fucking captain for a game.

I know there are arguments to be made about what goes on behind the scenes, but let's call a spade a spade.
 
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NugentsMyHero;2019559; said:
Nothing good ever happens at 2 in the morning.
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nothing good especially ever happens at 2:20 AM, AKA last call...ive seen more stupid shit happen between 2:20 AM and 2:35 AM then at any other time of the night...when people are streaming out of the bar at that time, you can literally get in a fight over anything, and i mean anything...2 years ago a guy got killed from getting punched and hitting his head on the concrete outside gas works...all over some guy taking a natty light out of his case of beer that he was holding...i could see if it was a bud light or coors light but not natty...all joking aside the situation with jaamal is not suprising or shocking...the guy he punched could of literally spit on the ground the wrong way, said something to his own friend the wrong way, maybe the guy had on a american eagle polo shirt instead of Lacoste....it doesnt even matter at that point...odds are one of the parties involved was over the legal limit of alcohol, or in jaamals case he was mentally not there...you can speculate all you want about, why did jaamal go over and hit the guy? why did the guy get hit by a car? i dont believe jaamal would do A,B,C or lowercase z....it doesnt matter because it falls into the last call time frame...anything a human being can do stupid and get introuble for it out in public will more then likely happen during that time...thats why when you walk out of a bar on park st (which i havent in years since i am almost 30, no offense if you do tho) you see 6 cop cars...they know some dumb shit is bound to go down...hopefully for jaamal none of these charges stick and the lawsuit is dismissed and he can move on with his life, either at OSU or elsewhere...for now he needs to chill the fuck out at his place and keep his nose clean, whether he is right or wrong
 
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y0yoyoin;2021289; said:
down...hopefully for jaamal none of these charges stick and the lawsuit is dismissed and he can move on with his life, either at OSU or elsewhere...for now he needs to chill the [censored] out at his place and keep his nose clean, whether he is right or wrong
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Almost impossible to have that happen in a dispute about a physical altercation when the "evidence" is based upon differing testimony. If there was a camera recording it? Yeah. Maybe. But three dudes with different stories about what happened - not gonna happen absent some shenanigans.
 
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zincfinger;2021234; said:
I think you're using the word "stupidity" a little too loosely here. Going out and getting hammered to the point that you're staggering home, throwing up on the sidewalk, is stupid. Giving somebody a physical beating, with no morally or legally cognizable justification, is something well beyond stupid, is not something that most teenagers or twenty-somethings do, and should not be regarded as some boys-will-be-boys rite of passage. I'm not asserting that's what happened here, I don't know what happened here. But that's the allegation, and if it's true, it's not merely "stupid", it's reprehensible.

Sometimes criminal complaints aren't brought for reasons other than lack of evidence, and it remains to be seen whether criminal charges will be brought here. Regardless, I think you're being overly generous by essentially universally (or perhaps not so universally) equating lack of a criminal conviction with actual innocence. But bear in mind that the evidentiary standard is much lower in a civil trial than it is in a criminal trial. Even if criminal charges aren't brought, but Berry loses a civil trial for tortious battery, I think that would at least lend credence to the opinion that those in a position to do so may need to rethink his participation in the program.
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Don't get me wrong - I don't condone or justify physical violence against others, and you're right that it goes way past "stupid." But the fact that no criminal charges have been filed suggests some degree of uncertainty regarding whether such violence actually occurred, whether it was justified, or whether Jaamal was the one instigating it. So far, it's been demonstrated via the drug conviction that he's at least been stupid in the past.

If the kid is shown to have beaten someone up, i'm squarely with those who would see him suspended - or perhaps dismissed, though I'd probably prefer that decision rest with the coach we have in March 2012.
 
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