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RB Erik Haw (official thread)

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Sloopy45 said:
Dude, this is Ohio State, the Big Ten, and TresselBall. Its not Florida. You establish the run to open up the pass, not the other way around. If Zwick's going to need to fling it all around the field to get any production from the TB, we're in big trouble.
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When you have a qb that's just as likely to run as he is to throw and everyone knows that, its easy to stack the box, especially with a two receiver set. In 2002, the team was more balanced. Krenzel had Jenkins,Gamble and Vance to throw to compared to Jenkins/Carter or Jenkins/Holmes. Krenzel wasn't considered a threat to run like in 2003, so defenses didn't play the run as hard in 2002 as 2003.


You must be kidding. First off, Krenzel is not in this conversation, don't add his numbers to accentuate your point.
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Since Krenzel ran about 125 times you can't say MoC took the "motherload" of carries. That's a lot of hits Clarett didn't take. Clarett wasn't keyed onto as much as Ross was last year and he still got hurt. Ross had too much being asked of him last year.

I think we will see that Ross won't find it as hard to run this year. With a better supporting cast taking the load off him, I bet he will have better runs. He might not break 1000 but his ypc should go up. I think you will be suprised by Lydell this year. He's better than you think. By the way, I still don't think we need both freshman tb's to play a lot this season to have a good offense.
 
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flybuckeye: "Krenzel wasn't considered a threat to run like in 2003, so defenses didn't play the run as hard in 2002 as 2003."

Defenses aren't designed to stop a running QB. In many instances, you'd rather have a QB run than throw if you're a defense. Teams didn't stack the box in '03 because Ross and Hall aren't threats, it had nothing to do with CK. If OSU didn't pass the ball last year, it didn't move the ball. Period.

"Since Krenzel ran about 125 times you can't say MoC took the "motherload" of carries."

What are you talking about??? First off, I was saying that MoC took the motherload of carries among the Tailbacks. Secondly, you do realize that many (repeat: MANY) of those CK carries are busted pass plays, right?

"He might not break 1000 but his ypc should go up."

If Ross plays all year and doesn't get 1,000 yards, he's had a bad year. Period. Ross gained 65.85 yards per game last year, and if you take the Indiana game (167 yards, 3 TDs) out of the equation, he averaged 57.42 yards per game last year. That's not very good for a # 1 back. Any way you slice it. FYI: 1,000 yards would take 83.3 YPG this season.

"By the way, I still don't think we need both freshman tb's to play a lot this season to have a good offense."

You could be correct. As long as we get some great production from at least one of them, I'd be happy.
 
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flyB: "I wrote yards per carry. If they have a good rotation he might not have enough attempts to reach 1000 yards."

I realize that. I wasn't trying to contest what you say. And, I even will revise what I said upon further thought: Ross doesn't have to get 1,000 to have a great season. If he's part of a solid TB rotation, and gains valuable yards with the ability to break one now and again, he's had a good season.
 
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You make perfect sense to me Sloop. I think that we'll need Pittman and Haw to contribute this year. Everything you say makes perfect logic to me.

I can't quite follow what the big argument is over who got the bulk of the carries in '02. I can't decide who's trying to make what point, but man, if you could't see that Clarret was the man when he could go that year, then you weren't watching the same season that I saw. Even when he wasn't healthy he was a heck of a lot better then Ross or Hall (see the scUM game for reference). Same line and it was night and day depending on who the tailback was. The perfect example was in the Wazzu game - the drive in the fourth quarter that took about 10 minutes off the game and sealed the deal. I remember that they started trying to give Clarret a blow. He came out of the game, and we handed to Ross. First two downs he'd gain about a yard maybe two. They'd bring Clarret back and he'd pick up the first down on third. It happened a couple times in a row on that drive.

Ross has something to prove. I hope he does it, but I think we'll need three tailbacks and unfortunately, I'm not sure how much Hall will pitch in on the field
 
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"You make perfect sense to me Sloop. I think that we'll need Pittman and Haw to contribute this year. Everything you say makes perfect logic to me."

Thanks, TBuck. I don't get that too often. And props to you too, osugrad21. I've enjoyed this discussion too. And you too fly, we can agree to disagree.

" can't decide who's trying to make what point, but man, if you could't see that Clarret was the man when he could go that year, then you weren't watching the same season that I saw."

I'm saying the same exact thing you are. No offense to fly, but I have no idea what he's arguing against me with regard to who the feature back was in '02.

"Ross has something to prove. I hope he does it, but I think we'll need three tailbacks and unfortunately, I'm not sure how much Hall will pitch in on the field"

I'd like to see Ross and Hall succeed too. Let's face it: they were part of the in-between recruiting class of Cooper & Tressel, and they came to OSU when a lot of kids didn't want to. They're both good kids, outstanding citizens, and I hope they can prove me wrong.
 
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RB Erik Haw

So if Pittman has any sort of injuries (see yesterday's game), we will need to just live with Ross and his inconsistencies...

It just seems not like OSU that we could have a guy average 3.8 ypc for the game and he was the only one to carry the ball. Heck I wouldn't have minded Hall getting a couple carries. What happened to having 3 good backs in the rotation...
 
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I don't think Tressel wanted to throw Haw into the fire in a close game. Pittman didn't appear in the UC game until things were pretty much under control. Tressel indicated on thepre-game show that Haw would get some carries in the game-I guess plans changed.
 
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I have to believe that the flow of the game and field position we had most of the second half led to pittman and haw not seeing action. My opinion was that OSU didnt stick to the run and wear them down.

I cant wait until Joe comes back this week, we need him bad!

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