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RB Erik Haw (official thread)

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I don't see why there is a need for one of them to red-shirt. If they both prove capable of helping OSU win games during camp, they should both be given a chance in games. I think OSU has been hurt by injuries at the rb position the last few years and would be wise to have as many healthy bodies as possible ready to go all year. Red-shirting one will cause that player to get less carries in practice and if the injury bug hits; they're forced into action unprepared. USC has dennis,bush and white getting several carries a game, along with chauncey washington(red-shirted/last year); lsu has carey,vincent and another kid(name?),etc. All of those teams and more use multiple rb's a game, even though they each have atleast one guy who has proven to be a workhorse. OSU doesn't have a guy who is a proven workhorse(ross/hall=injuries!). We need all of our rb's this year, IMO
 
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BUCKITALL said:
I don't see why there is a need for one of them to red-shirt. If they both prove capable of helping OSU win games during camp, they should both be given a chance in games. I think OSU has been hurt by injuries at the rb position the last few years and would be wise to have as many healthy bodies as possible ready to go all year. Red-shirting one will cause that player to get less carries in practice and if the injury bug hits; they're forced into action unprepared. USC has dennis,bush and white getting several carries a game, along with chauncey washington(red-shirted/last year); lsu has carey,vincent and another kid(name?),etc. All of those teams and more use multiple rb's a game, even though they each have atleast one guy who has proven to be a workhorse. OSU doesn't have a guy who is a proven workhorse(ross/hall=injuries!). We need all of our rb's this year, IMO
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That's the beauty of the redishirt. You don't have to declare it in week 1, and they don't need to play either of those guys until and unless they need them. Either guy can ride the pine during the season, and then if the Bucks get a rash of injuries at TB in week 10, they can bring the frosh in and burn his redshirt, if need be. You could argue that you should give the guy reps early on to make him ready, just in case, but personally I'd rather leave the option open for that extra year of eligibility if you don't need him yet.
 
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Zincfinger, I agree with you, I think Haw will sit unless something bad happens. Since Ross, Hall, and Joe are all healthy, and Pittman has already been showing he can play, I don't see Tressel splitting the carries between 5 backs.
 
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Lydell and Brandon are healthy, but there are some concerns about Mo Hall's Knees. Hopefully, he can be ready to go. Brandon could be a good change of pace runner inside, but he is not a tailback type runner. He will be asked to contribute in the running game, but his main responsibilities will still remain those of a full back.

While Pittman has shown he can potentially contribute during the spring, nothing has been decided yet. in fact Haw has all the potential to get in the "pair" rotation, let along the "spare". He is that good.
 
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flybuckeye: "Zincfinger, I agree with you, I think Haw will sit unless something bad happens. Since Ross, Hall, and Joe are all healthy, and Pittman has already been showing he can play, I don't see Tressel splitting the carries between 5 backs."

I don't think Haw will sit at all. In fact, given our horrid production from the TB position last year, I don't see a need to redshirt Pittman or Haw. And, if Kennedy had made the grade, I wouldn't have necessarily redshirted him either.

"Since Ross, Hall, and Joe are all healthy"

So what? First off, Ross and Hall aren't star TBs at the College level. Period. I've been saying this since the ol' Bucknuts days up until now. They just ain't that good. Ross and Hall COMBINED didn't surpass Clarett's yardage total from the year before, and MoC didn't play a full slate in '02 by any means.

Secondly, Ross and Hall aren't big backs. They've shown that they can't take the pounding of the Big Ten schedule. Whether they're healthy or not now makes little difference to me. They're almost assured to get hurt during the season, and 100% certain to be dinged up to the point where their production suffers.

"I don't see Tressel splitting the carries between 5 backs."

Tress should split the carries between 3 backs: Pittman, Haw, Ross, and sit the rest of them. You've got to figure that since one is a Senior Scatback, and the other two are freshman (i.e. not physically developed), that a rotation like this can keep them all fresh and productive over the course of the year.
 
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Hall's knee's are supposedly 100%. Joe lost 10 pounds (he's down to 235lbs) specifically to help him with his speed and quickness in the one back set. Hopefully, the loss of wieght won't hinder his blocking and will give us an added edge in the running and recieving department.

Go Bucks!! :osu:
 
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Mili - I'm sure Ginn will return kicks as well.. Haw and Ginn back there would be something... I don't know how a 6' +, 200+ dude running a 4.21 can be kept off the field.... I don't honestly expect that to happen this year.... maybe in 2005 or 6...
 
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Secondly, Ross and Hall aren't big backs. They've shown that they can't take the pounding of the Big Ten schedule. Whether they're healthy or not now makes little difference to me. They're almost assured to get hurt during the season, and 100% certain to be dinged up to the point where their production suffers.
Tress should split the carries between 3 backs: Pittman, Haw, Ross, and sit the rest of them. You've got to figure that since one is a Senior Scatback, and the other two are freshman (i.e. not physically developed), that a rotation like this can keep them all fresh and productive over the course of the year.
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You think Ross and Hall are assured to get hurt while the physically undeveloped freshman will stay fresh and productive? Do you really think Tressel is going to bench Branden Joe? I think splitting the carries between four guys should keep them fresh enough, and if someone unfortunately does get hurt then bring Haw or Pittman in. I'd hate to see one of the freshman burn a year of eligibilty so he can play mop up.
 
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Is it just me, or am i not alone in my thinking. Have we ever had so much talent like we seem to have this year? I mean both on the offensive side and the defensive side as well. Maybe the only area that we are lacking is the offensive Line............. I just don't know man.
 
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flybuckeye: "You think Ross and Hall are assured to get hurt while the physically undeveloped freshman will stay fresh and productive?"

Never said that. Keep reading and you'll see that I said split the carries among the three. And besides, I already know what Ross can do. If Haw or Pittman is more talented, they might be better than Lydell, dinged up or not.

"Do you really think Tressel is going to bench Branden Joe?"

Dude, Joe is a FULLBACK. We're talking TAILBACK. I hope you understand the difference. Of course Joe is going to get a carry here and there. What do you think, Joe is a feature-25 carry a game-back?

"I'd hate to see one of the freshman burn a year of eligibilty so he can play mop up."

What mop up? We need these kids, desperately. If Haw and Pittman can't carry some of the load this year, we're in big trouble. Ross gained 826 yards (4.3 PC) last year, and Hall gained 358 (3.3 PC). Do you realize how little that is for the top two tailbacks on a run first team??? Remember, CK, MJ, and the rest of the Seniors aren't there anymore to bail out a bad running attack. We have to break in a new QB and OL and need at least a threat at TB this year or we're possibly looking at a bad season.

I don't know where you got the impression that Ross and Hall are these big-time backs who're eating up all the carries from the kids. Neither are very good.

flybuckeye & osugrad21: "I was quoting Sloopy's "not physically developed." an 18 year old kid at 6' 210 seems pretty sturdy to me too."

I must get into this more than anything: an 18 year old IS an 18 year old. No matter how big the Freshman are, they're still not at their peak physically, never took the CFB hits & pounding over a long stretch, haven't been training in a OSU-style facility for a couple of years, haven't been getting the nutrition and meals that they'll get from the coaches and trainers, and have just gotten into college. They are (quote, unquote) "physically underdeveloped." If this wasn't the case, then any old 18 year old can just jump to the NFL.

We had a huge freshman back in '02 (much bigger than Haw or Pittman) and he got hurt and dinged up quite a bit that season, didn't he?

kippy1040: "Have we ever had so much talent like we seem to have this year?"

Of course we have. How soon you forget. OSU had as much (if not more) talent in '95 to '98, and in '02 to '03 than this team. I'd even go as far to say that the 90's teams had a lot more talent, but had a horrible coach guiding them.
 
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I agree with sloop I think. (not sure what any of this discussion is about)

From what I have heard, and it does seem like I have heard it every year since they got here, Ross and Hall are healthy and look like they are ready to make big contributions. One of them is surely going to have a breakout season.

I will believe it when I see it. One if not both will get dinged this season, and either not be right, or miss time. Haw and Pittman will both likely need to contribute this season. I don't think, nor have I ever thought, Brandon Joe was our solution at TB. He got us through a rough stretch, Thank you Mr. Joe, now go back to FB and open some holes.

The future will likely be now for at least one of the Fr., unless a miracle happens and we stay healthy. No way we go into a three man rotation unless it is out of necessity. JT would like that rotation to be Ross and Hall. I don't see anyway that happens all season

I think that if Haw picks up the offense and blocking schemes quickly he is going to win the 3rd RB postion and will be playing a significant amount by the start of the Big Ten season.
 
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