RB Daniel "Boom" Herron (Official Thread)

[bukIpower]

don't wanna be a dick but I just wanted to say I told ya'll so about Boom!


Seriously whenever Boom has the ball in his hands you can see he knows where to go with the ball! Great vision and is surprisingly tough to bring down on first contact. Sorta like pittman in a way

 

[Viking]

I hate to be negative, but when I look at Herron I see a purely inside guy. He's had limited success running outside and his lateral ability doesn't seem that great. Don't get me wrong, he's great inside runner, but I don't see him as especially multi-dimensional yet. He could get quicker, but until it happens Saine will have to be an integral part of the offense. Basically whoever overcomes their deficiencies (Saine running between the tackles or Herron running outside) should be the starter if there is only going to be one main guy.

 

[mross34]

He could get quicker, but until it happens Saine will have to be an integral part of the offense. Basically whoever overcomes their deficiencies (Saine running between the tackles or Herron running outside) should be the starter if there is only going to be one main guy.

Hate to break it to you, but Saine will be playing fullback and/or slot receiver next year.

 

[jwinslow]

Could you point out the times where it was a problem that he could move the chains but not break long TDs?

He could get quicker, but until it happens Saine will have to be an integral part of the offense.

Why? What has saine done to justify this sleight beyond video games? Herron has picked up 4+ ypc every time out, save Illinois, and most of his carries came in garbage time (thus limiting his production).

 

[Viking]

Hate to break it to you, but Saine will be playing fullback and/or slot receiver next year.

Then Lamaar Thomas then. I'm not as convinced as you are but he has struggled.

Could you point out the times where it was a problem that he could move the chains but not break long TDs?Why? What has saine done to justify this sleight beyond video games? Herron has picked up 4+ ypc every time out, save Illinois, and most of his carries came in garbage time (thus limiting his production).

I don't even have NCAA 08 or 09, so don't pass me off like that. Yes, he has averaged over four yards per carry in each outing and as I have said he is great between the tackles. Despite that, when I watch him play, the problem occurs when there is no hole inside and Herron lacks the lateral agility to make the play work outside. You cannot have a one-dimensional feature back. As long as he runs between the tackles, I would expect over four yards per carry and excellent production. If he is the guy and is schemed against, things change. Also, your point about garbage time works both ways.

 

[buckeyes_rock]

Then Lamaar Thomas then. I'm not as convinced as you are but he has struggled.



I don't even have NCAA 08 or 09, so don't pass me off like that. Yes, he has averaged over four yards per carry in each outing and as I have said he is great between the tackles. Despite that, when I watch him play, the problem occurs when there is no hole inside and Herron lacks the lateral agility to make the play work outside. You cannot have a one-dimensional feature back. As long as he runs between the tackles, I would expect over four yards per carry and excellent production. If he is the guy and is schemed against, things change. Also, your point about garbage time works both ways.

I thought he showed some great lateral agility in that final second TD run against NW. He had two great cutbacks on one run. It wasn't NWs 1st string, but still.

 

[jwinslow]

You still offered no explanation for degrading Herron at the expense of Saine. What has Saine showed to justify those comments?

Also, your point about garbage time works both ways.

How? Both Boom and Brandon have had plenty of carries before garbage time.

 

[pnuts34]

Then Lamaar Thomas then. I'm not as convinced as you are but he has struggled.



I don't even have NCAA 08 or 09, so don't pass me off like that. Yes, he has averaged over four yards per carry in each outing and as I have said he is great between the tackles. Despite that, when I watch him play, the problem occurs when there is no hole inside and Herron lacks the lateral agility to make the play work outside. You cannot have a one-dimensional feature back. As long as he runs between the tackles, I would expect over four yards per carry and excellent production. If he is the guy and is schemed against, things change. Also, your point about garbage time works both ways.

I'm not exactly sure I agree with any of your points my man. Herron is not a "burner", but he is a guy who can get the ball 20+ times in a game and let him wear down a defense. College FB fans get spoiled watching guys like Harvin, Murray and McKnight, and don't appreciate the everydown RBs like Herron. He's a guy I want to give the ball to in the 4th quarter and either run the clock out, or beat up the D and let Pryor use the play action and beat them deep. I don't think Saine is the answer at RB, if we're looking for speed in the future at RB, that will be Jamal Berry's field. Herron is a solid RB that you can give the ball to and he won't turn it over, or lose you yards trying to do too much dancing and trying to make Sportscenter.

 

[jwinslow]

Perhaps Viking could describe what he's talking about, because I'm not sure how Flash Thomas is going to become a RB. Perhaps he's discussing the triple option look out of the pistol.

 

[Viking]

I thought he showed some great lateral agility in that final second TD run against NW. He had two great cutbacks on one run. It wasn't NWs 1st string, but still.

Cutbacks are partially about vision, partially about lateral agility. Herron's vision is superb and his lateral agility is adequate, and so when Herron has the option to run over a guy or make a juke and then cut back he's great. The problem comes when he only has the corner. When the inside is taken away, to go-to guy needs to be able make something out of what he is given. Herron has decent lateral ability and good top speed, but I haven't seen him turn the corner on too many occasions. That will limit his ability to be the guy when teams scheme against him.

You still offered no explanation for degrading Herron at the expense of Saine. What has Saine showed to justify those comments?How? Both Boom and Brandon have had plenty of carries before garbage time.

I said that if Herron can't show that he can run effectively outside in addition to running inside then Saine should be involved on some designed outside runs where his speed is more of a factor and his lack of vision isn't. As for the garbage time comment, if a guy can't beat the other team's worn out starters or their garbage time players who are in to prevent injury to the other team's starters, what is to say he will be able to do it against starters?

I'm not exactly sure I agree with any of your points my man. Herron is not a "burner", but he is a guy who can get the ball 20+ times in a game and let him wear down a defense. College FB fans get spoiled watching guys like Harvin, Murray and McKnight, and don't appreciate the everydown RBs like Herron. He's a guy I want to give the ball to in the 4th quarter and either run the clock out, or beat up the D and let Pryor use the play action and beat them deep. I don't think Saine is the answer at RB, if we're looking for speed in the future at RB, that will be Jamal Berry's field. Herron is a solid RB that you can give the ball to and he won't turn it over, or lose you yards trying to do too much dancing and trying to make Sportscenter.

I don't know if Herron is big enough to carry it 20 times a game, but I'm not arguing that right now. I'm not saying Herron can't be a very good running back, he just won't be the messiah everyone is making him out to be after Beanie leaves unless he improves physically. He will be a good, maybe even great, albeit somewhat limited, college running back unless something changes.

Perhaps Viking could describe what he's talking about, because I'm not sure how Flash Thomas is going to become a RB. Perhaps he's discussing the triple option look out of the pistol.

Thomas is the same size as Berry. Either could end as the speed element of a running back by committee approach is Saine changes positions. Percy Harvin has gotten a lot bigger, but he played at about the same weight last year. Jeff Demps and Chris Rainey have shown that lighter running backs can flourish if they aren't thrown to the wolves in terms of carries.

I would also add that there are a fair number of Miami fans who aren't upset that Jamaal Berry is leaving Florida. I don't even think he got a Miami offer which says something about what they thing of him. Granted these are Florida elitists and I take what they say with a grain of salt, but I do think there is a legitimate reason to be concerned that he might not to out to be all he is hyped up to be in college.

 

[OregonBuckeye]

Boom played against USC's starters and did quite well.

 

[Buckeye86]

Boom played against USC's starters and did quite well.

11 rushes, 51 yards, 4.6 average, long of 11

not getting involved in the argument, just throwing out the numbers

 

[Viking]

Boom played against USC's starters and did quite well.

And I agree. Where did his runs come? To the inside. I'm not saying he can't be good, just that he is not very multi-dimensional at this point in his career.

 

[jwinslow]

I said that if Herron can't show that he can run effectively outside in addition to running inside then Saine should be involved on some designed outside runs where his speed is more of a factor and his lack of vision isn't.

I have not seen Saine play faster than Boom in the last season and a half.

Boom has done nicely on the outside runs and option looks, imo. Certainly not great or elite by any means, but quite a bit better than Saine has done.

As for the garbage time comment, if a guy can't beat the other team's worn out starters or their garbage time players who are in to prevent injury to the other team's starters, what is to say he will be able to do it against starters?

This makes this comment even more confusing. Why would you even bring this up, considering he's executed consistently against starters?

I'm not saying Herron can't be a very good running back, he just won't be the messiah everyone is making him out to be after Beanie leaves unless he improves physically. He will be a good, maybe even great, albeit somewhat limited, college running back unless something changes.

Everyone is making him out to be a messiah? Baloney, but this appears to be at the heart of this. Perhaps you should address the individuals making those comments (by quoting THEM, not us), rather than painting with such recklessly wide brushes.

He will be a good, maybe even great, albeit somewhat limited, college running back unless something changes.

I agree. I also think that's exactly what OSU needs to go with Pryor.

Thomas is the same size as Berry.

Berry will have 15-20 lbs on Thomas by the time he enters school, but that's not the point. Thomas is not a running back. He might be a running threat on occasion, but how well is he going to execute out of the backfield 15 times a game?

Jeff Demps and Chris Rainey have shown that lighter running backs can flourish if they aren't thrown to the wolves in terms of carries.

We have no one in their ballpark of agility & quickness, but conversely we won't have to settle for their size either at RB.

I would also add that there are a fair number of Miami fans who aren't upset that Jamaal Berry is leaving Florida. I don't even think he got a Miami offer which says something about what they thing of him. Granted these are Florida elitists and I take what they say with a grain of salt, but I do think there is a legitimate reason to be concerned that he might not to out to be all he is hyped up to be in college.

And they'd say that if he were a power back, a quick but not fast feature back, or a 170 lb slot dot like Tavon Austin. Maybe he won't pan out, but I wouldn't take the word of folks justifying his departure as a measuring stick.

And I agree. Where did his runs come? To the inside. I'm not saying he can't be good, just that he is not very multi-dimensional at this point in his career.

And it worked

 

[Buckeye86]

And I agree. Where did his runs come? To the inside. I'm not saying he can't be good, just that he is not very multi-dimensional at this point in his career.

Alright, I am going to get involved now.

How often does Ohio State, as a team, run the ball on the edge?

I submit that it is not very much. So saying a player is not very multi-dimensional because his runs are up the middle, when the team he plays for runs up the middle 90% of the time regardless of who is in the backfield is not a useful measure of the backs versatility.