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RB Chris "Beanie" Wells (All B1G, All-American)

How would you classify Tressel's challenge to Beanie in the media?

Beanie dealt out punishment when he was rumbling. However, he also pulled himself out of the game more often than I'd want to see as an NFL GM investing fifty million dollars.
 
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jwinslow;1448419; said:
How would you classify Tressel's challenge to Beanie in the media?

As him trying to light a fire under a kid that maybe had issues playing hurt. That was his sophmore year, right? Did he not finish the year stiffarming motherfuckers while having a few injuries?

The way I look at it is, at the time, he WAS our offense...I mean, maybe JT saw something in Todd that led him to believe Beanie was going to have to carry the team at some point and wanted to sharpen him to a point.
 
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jwinslow;1448426; said:
So... soft?

We seem to be arguing semantics here. In my humble opinion..."soft" isn't thrown around lightly. Having some issues risking your future career and taking care of your family by playing injured isn't "soft", at least to me. Soft, to me, is...well, I'm not going to call him out here, but I'd say the same to his face.

He was stiffarming guys long before that challenge too. I don't see how that disproves anything.

Playing the same, nasty way, while injured does indicate, to me, that he rose to the challenge. Had he been stepping out like he did against TSUN this past season, I may agree. But he was stiffarming dudes with an injured wrist, on a bad wheel. If that doesn't say "bamf", I don't know what does.
 
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I wonder how many games OSU would have won these last 2 seasons if a SOFT BEANIE didn't play :)

Why didn't those espn clowns say anything about the o-lines play or how D. Tressel said, how Beanie always got hit in the back field before, he got to the line. I guess none of that counts.
 
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Chris Martin from the BTN called Beanie a "drama queen". The host also had to get in his dig on Laurinaitis, Hawk, and Katzenmoyer. Tools.

He was stiffarming guys long before that challenge too. I don't see how that disproves anything.
jw, I believe Tressel called out Beanie after the KSU game. He had 4 100 yard games up to that point and certainly wasn't playing bad. After that, he took his game to superstar level.

Beanie had to learn how to play through the pain. He's done that. And he's been extremely productive.

Which is why it's a poor value to draft a RB in the first. You can find good to great backs late in the draft with regularity. It's much harder to find great left tackles later on.
Doubt the Vikings are regretting taking Peterson #7 overall. Same with the Chargers and LT. You're right, there usually are quality backs later on in the draft but rarely with superstar potential. That's why you still see backs go top 10 quite frequently(LT, AD, McFadden, Bush, etc.). Beanie has superstar potential. And how many LT's are 1st round worthy? 4-5? That leaves 27-28 other picks in the 1st round.
 
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Early comparison to Brown put pressure on Ohio State?s Wells
By RANDY COVITZ
The Kansas City Star


?He absolutely reminds me of Jim Brown. I know I shouldn?t say that, but I?ve told him that, too.?

| Ohio State running backs coach Dick Tressel, February 2006

Chris ?Beanie? Wells had no chance to live up to those expectations. It would have been daunting enough to be compared to Ohio State Heisman Trophy winners Eddie George, Archie Griffin or even Howard ?Hopalong? Cassady.

But Tressel, the older brother of Buckeyes head coach Jim Tressel, put an enormous amount of pressure on Wells by evoking the name of Brown, the greatest running back, if not greatest player, in pro football history on the day Wells signed with Ohio State.

Three years later, as Wells prepares for the NFL draft ? where he is expected to be the first or second running back selected ? he reflected on the comparison to Brown, a comment Jim Tressel later seconded.

?That was exciting,? Wells said at the NFL scouting combine. ?It?s a blessing and an honor to even be mentioned in the same sentence with Jim Brown. He?s a great running back and a great ambassador for the sport of football.?

Wells, 6 feet 2, 237 pounds, had a distinguished three-year career at Ohio State, helping the Buckeyes to appearances in the 2006 and 2007 BCS national championship games and rushing for 3,282 yards.

And Dick Tressel had no regrets about the Jim Brown comparison.

?I didn?t catch any flack for that,? Tressel told reporters last fall. ?Nobody said I was crazy. They might have thought it or they might have said it to each other.

?I?m old enough that I saw Jim Brown run. They have a similar gait, they?re both big guys and have speed to go with their size. For me, that was an easy, natural comparison.?

Early comparison to Brown put pressure on Ohio State’s Wells - Kansas City Star
 
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This is what Oregon and I were talking about earlier.. I just heard Todd McShay say something (I didn't catch it all). Said something to the effect of "..the worst running back he's ever scouted when it comes to dealing with injuries."

Bull. Shit. If you've played enough to be known as a pre-season Heisman favorite, a first round pick, etc, that is bull.
 
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BUCKYLE;1448444; said:
We seem to be arguing semantics here. In my humble opinion..."soft" isn't thrown around lightly. Having some issues risking your future career and taking care of your family by playing injured isn't "soft", at least to me. Soft, to me, is...well, I'm not going to call him out here, but I'd say the same to his face.



Playing the same, nasty way, while injured does indicate, to me, that he rose to the challenge. Had he been stepping out like he did against TSUN this past season, I may agree. But he was stiffarming dudes with an injured wrist, on a bad wheel. If that doesn't say "bamf", I don't know what does.
http://www.buckeyeplanet.com/forum/other-osu-professional-sports/610499-hitchionary.html

is beanie weighty, no. if this was hockey beanie would be comparable to joe thorton...

Compete: It is not on the list of the 500 most-used words in the English language, but it is in Hitchcock's top two, ranking only behind "the." According to the Hitchcock ethos, to compete is the greatest virtue. A fourth-line winger who competes is held in great esteem, but a sublimely skilled scorer is nothing if he is not "engaged." And a player who takes a bad penalty is not lame-brained, he lacks "competitive composure."

Dig in: When a whole team is competing, it is dug in. When the fans are behind the team, and engaged, the fans are dug in. If you don't dig in, things get "loose." You don't want things to get loose.

Heavy: This does not refer to Grant Fuhr's training-camp weigh-in. Heavy is good. A heavy player is one who has a notably positive impact on a game. A heavy player is a one who draws notice. A Gordie Howe hat trick -- goal, assist, fight -- is intrinsically heavy.

Light: A light player is not competitively engaged and, by extension, lacks competitive composure. Recently, "light" has been replaced in the Hitchexicon with the word "dozy." (To grasp the heaviness of "light" and "dozy," see "weighty" below.)

Leadership: The intricacies of "leadership and followship" are at the heart of Hitchcock's professional quest. It is why he studies the Civil War. Why do soldiers charge over a wall to face a fusillade they know is coming? Who and what compels them? On the ultimate Hitchcock team, there are a few lieutenants in the locker room who can lead a company off the bench and into the heat of heavy competition. The rank and file will follow, and engage, out of duty to their brethren -- even if they hate the general.

Rich: When skill and competition are meted out in equal amounts, the game is "rich" -- sometimes "too rich" for one player or another.

Reckless: Hitchcock helped ruin free-flowing offense with the defensive schemes he implemented in the mid-1990s. Other coaches followed suit and made the neutral zone a heavy no-man's land. In part to salvage his legacy, Hitchcock had to come up with an offensive countermeasure -- and like all of his great ideas, the countermeasure is more psychological than real. How do you score in today's NHL? You have to be reckless. Hitchcock uses Alexander Ovechkin as a classic example. Ovechkin will risk decapitation to get to the net. He will dance on the fine line of competitive composure. His copious skill is almost secondary.

Skate: On the bench, this is Hitchcock's clarion call after every turnover (outside some other, heavier words).

Snake: As in, "cut off the head of the snake." To beat the Penguins, for example, you have to cut off the head of the snake, Sidney Crosby, the most reckless player on their team.

Weighty: The well-dug-in player who competes for his teammates, who is heavy, who leads or follows in the direction pointed by the coach, who is reckless enough to revel in a rich game, well, he is part of a many-headed snake and deserves to be called weighty.

heavy-eh at times, so no.
reckless-reckless players dont come out a handfull of times every game. does he play to decapitate himself, is his skill secondary to competitive composure? nope.
dug in-youre either dug in or not, you cant sometimes dig in, not in the trenches.
compete-err i dont know, not sure i want to say it but was he always engaged....
light/dozy-at times, but no overall.

beanie died on the vine more than once, hanging his team out to dry. fact. could he have played through it, dont know. but hes jumping up and down on the sidelines, sprinting around. im from the old school-if you can walk you can run, if you run you can play. do you own skates-you can play. what your arms missing, tough shit play anyways. (sure i always error on the side of protecting the kids future but at a certain point does he protect himself to much? would you rather have bird for 14 years play they way he did? or him half it loafing around for 20? foppa play till 33 and literally shot, no legs, no feet, cant walk, or not... as a gm, i want my guys to play, play hard every night, compete every night, dig in, play heavyand weighty.

is beanie hungry beyond his years? does he wade in? or does he pack mentality hunter? he certianly is not on the short list of the dying breed. often times he appears to want the easy game, rather than putting the foot on the throat. ownership is needed in his game no doubt. while he often plays physical he lacks the mans game, the play the game by the foot not the inch mentality. though he tends not to deflate he can be bogged down.

ill probably get dinged for that. physically beanie is everything a coach/gm could want. mentally-? medically-personally i really dont know that you ever know. some guys cant take it, some guys are unlucky, some guys just dont want it, etc. i dont think you, i or 99% of this board will ever really know on that one...
 
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jimotis4heisman;1449888; said:
heavy-eh at times, so no.
reckless-reckless players dont come out a handfull of times every game. does he play to decapitate himself, is his skill secondary to competitive composure? nope.
dug in-youre either dug in or not, you cant sometimes dig in, not in the trenches.
compete-err i dont know, not sure i want to say it but was he always engaged....
light/dozy-at times, but no overall.

Beanie was "heavy" in every game he played in.

Reckless? Eh...I can't think of too many modern RB's I would consider "reckless". I think the fact that he ran OVER people instead of stepping out of bounds 95% of the time would have me leaning towards rather than away.

Dug in? Really? Like when against MSU, his team mates tried to celebrate his TD with him and he ran away from them, back to the sideline? That's not "dug in"?

And as for the "compete" thing...I guess if a dude playing almost a whole season with a couple different injuries, yet not showing a sign of those injuries can't convince you he competes...we'll just have to agree to disagree.
 
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BUCKYLE;1449895; said:
Beanie was "heavy" in every game he played in.
heavy? no freaking way. zero. andrew murray is heavy. beanie wells is not. heavy is chris speilman.


Reckless? Eh...I can't think of too many modern RB's I would consider "reckless". I think the fact that he ran OVER people instead of stepping out of bounds 95% of the time would have me leaning towards rather than away.
eric dickerson.

Dug in? Really? Like when against MSU, his team mates tried to celebrate his TD with him and he ran away from them, back to the sideline? That's not "dug in"?
celebrating anything has nothing to do with being dug in. dug in is when you are competing and engaged. im not saying beanie played lose but he wasnt dug in every game.

And as for the "compete" thing...I guess if a dude playing almost a whole season with a couple different injuries, yet not showing a sign of those injuries can't convince you he competes...we'll just have to agree to disagree.

ive got a boo boo on my foot. ive got a boo boo on my wrist. they play once a week. brett favre played 269 regular seasons game, 291 playoff games, mannings 100+ game streak. thats competing, not dieing on the vine.
bold.

we can certainly agree to disagree.

personally i think he was a very good tailback a ten year type back. not one of legendary proportions. with all due respect your best palyers have to be your best players in all aspects of the game. beanie wells isnt larry bird, foppa, etc.
 
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jimotis4heisman;1449904; said:
bold.

we can certainly agree to disagree.

personally i think he was a very good tailback a ten year type back. not one of legendary proportions. with all due respect your best palyers have to be your best players in all aspects of the game. beanie wells isnt larry bird, foppa, etc.

You're sayng he's not heavy because he's not Chris Spielman? :lol: I can't name five players in my lifetime that play with that intensity. So if a player has to be Spiels to be "dug in"...then there haven't been too many players in my lifetime that have been.

Eric Dickerson? I even said that I couldn't think of too many modern RB's that played that way. If you consider Dickerson to be modern, I don't really have anything to say.

Oh for fucks sake jo....you're throwing out QB's streaks when I'm talking about RB's. Name one RB that's played his whole college career without coming out of a game here or there due to injury, that also gets as many carries as Beanie did. I'm not saying he's made of steel. I'm saying that to call him soft is fucking bullshit. Soft motherfuckers don't truck defenders on the regular. They just don't.

And if you persist on talking in hockey terms, I'm done here. :lol:
 
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jimotis4heisman;1449904; said:
bold.

we can certainly agree to disagree.

personally i think he was a very good tailback a ten year type back. not one of legendary proportions. with all due respect your best palyers have to be your best players in all aspects of the game. beanie wells isnt larry bird, foppa, etc.
Are you really comparing the beating a quarterback takes with the beating a running back takes?

Granted a blindside hit is killer but the running back takes 10x the beating of a QB.
 
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