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QB/WR Terrelle Pryor ('10 Rose, '11 Sugar MVP)

BayBuck;1971263; said:
It almost defeats the purpose of the supplemental draft requiring some change in eligibility status to be included -- "Player X, you are ineligible to play college ball next year so you can be in our supplemental draft, but since you were ineligible in college you won't be able to play in the NFL this year." Alrighty then.
And like I said, if this was about upholding the NCAA punishment, it is even more preposterous in that it makes the NCAA a de facto minor league. But if what the NFL is saying is true, that this is about undermining the draft by trying to become ineligible, it should be a black or white issue.
 
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How are you going to prevent him from practicing? Don't let him play in games....whatever. But you're going to stop him from practicing too? So what is he going to be paid for during those first 5 weeks? That's idiotic.
 
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How are you going to prevent him from practicing? Don't let him play in games....whatever. But you're going to stop him from practicing too? So what is he going to be paid for during those first 5 weeks? That's idiotic.
If I'm reading things right, Pryor will be able to practice and play during the pre-season. He'll participate in training camp after he's drafted.

THEN, once the season starts, it's a normal 5 game suspension (no practices, no games).

Go figure. :shake:
 
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OHSportsFan9;1971270; said:
If I'm reading things right, Pryor will be able to practice and play during the pre-season. He'll participate in training camp after he's drafted.

THEN, once the season starts, it's a normal 5 game suspension (no practices, no games).

Go figure. :shake:

Same as if he tested positive for a banned substance.
He can do all the preseason workouts and games, but once things count - the franchise that picks him up has to shut him down during those weeks.
 
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HINYG8;1971254; said:
On the flipside I have to ask: What NFL rule did TP violate? Ben R. didn't get a 5 game suspension.

I get carry over of penalty if the transgressions also violate league rules..but in this case....does TP really deserve a 5 game sit down? On what basis? Does that make sense given what he did and comparing it to other NFL suspension precedents?

Drugs? Yep...carry it over. Fighting/cheating? Absolutely. But he didn't actually break the law or an NFL rule.

This is collusion..and that *is* against the law.

EDIT: steroids only gets you a 4 game suspension for the first offense. I'm all for making sure Pryor 'gets his' and understand there are some nuances as we are talking about the supplemental draft, but keeping it 5 AND holding him out of practices seems...arbitrary and incredibly harsh given what he actually did and how it relates to the NFL rules.


I understand your point but disagree. That is when you are employeed by the NFL. In this case TP is an applicant and not part of it. The NFL is a privelage not a right. I want to go to Harvard but I have to apply and hope I get in.. In this case the NFL recognizes the trouble and is creating a deterent for kids to not mess up. If I do not get a 4.0 then Harvard is not interested in me or maybe I can get in during the summer quarter. Bad example but something needs to be done..
 
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Flocka;1971212; said:
While it is an interesting ruling, it is not like he was ever going to play in any of those games. The lack of practice won't help him, but I would be surprised to see him at all this year.

Exactly. In this particular case it is moot, but it does set an interesting precedent.

Regardless, I'm curious to see who selects him and with what pick. It is time to move forward.
 
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OHSportsFan9;1971270; said:
If I'm reading things right, Pryor will be able to practice and play during the pre-season. He'll participate in training camp after he's drafted.

THEN, once the season starts, it's a normal 5 game suspension (no practices, no games).

Go figure. :shake:

Won't matter either way for TP. He's getting drafted in week 3 of the preseason. He's not going to play at all.

He's a developmental project for this season, but it is far better for his future than sitting on his couch until next April's draft.
 
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Jake;1971285; said:
Exactly. In this particular case it is moot, but it does set an interesting precedent.

Regardless, I'm curious to see who selects him and with what pick. It is time to move forward.

Quite true. Goodell wanted to act like the NCAA suspensions matter, but avoid getting sued by Pryor/Rosenhaus.

I'm just relieved he doesn't have to continue trying to explain why he would have been ineligible for the entire 2011 NCAA season, because that wouldn't have done tOSU any good.
 
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So when could he be drafted?

For the supplemental draft, I can see a team going as high as a third-round pick, but I think he's likely to go between Rounds 4 thru 6. Again, the key is in what Pryor implies he's open to. I said back in June that Pryor is far more attractive to me right now as a project at wide receiver or tight end, where he has the size and has even demonstrated some skills that could make him a matchup nightmare. You could also see him as a dual threat in plays where the quarterback can either run or pass. The Bills picked up Brad Smith during free agency, but a coach who likes to work with multi-threat quarterbacks, such as Chan Gailey, might see a lot of potential in a player like Pryor. Many coaches would -- the guy is a big-time athlete.

But given the five-game suspension he must serve, Pryor has extremely limited value this year even as a multi-threat player. As a quarterback, he has no real value in the short term, and is a project at best, a late option that you stash away on the practice squad to develop.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/6873513/terrelle-pryor-stock-depends-stance

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yb-DTjoYCM"]Pryor Eligible For Draft - YouTube[/ame]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riM5h9YJE8g"]Terrelle Pryor Elated - YouTube[/ame]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrqoHZR96ro"]Best Fit For Pryor - YouTube[/ame]
 
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HINYG8;1971254; said:
On the flipside I have to ask: What NFL rule did TP violate?

The closest thing to God on earth is the commissioner of the NFL. He can pretty much do what he wants under his duty to protect that game under the powers he has to address character/integrity issues.

He is doing Pryor a HUGE favor imo. We know that TP had maturity issues. Instead of sending this boy in to compete against men, he will have probably an entire season to think about what he has done and where it has got him, and he might just own his issues and change the mindset that led to them. If he does that, he just might be able to be an NFL player at some position. If he doesn't, he'll just be another cautionary tale about an athlete with freakish ability who did not have the character or maturity to match.
 
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CONGERSBUCKEYE;1971279; said:
I understand your point but disagree. That is when you are employeed by the NFL. In this case TP is an applicant and not part of it. The NFL is a privelage not a right. I want to go to Harvard but I have to apply and hope I get in.. In this case the NFL recognizes the trouble and is creating a deterent for kids to not mess up. If I do not get a 4.0 then Harvard is not interested in me or maybe I can get in during the summer quarter. Bad example but something needs to be done..

I would agree except Pryor would have a shorter suspension if he used steroids.

In fact....it is now being said across Twitter that the 5 game suspension has nothing to do with his NCAA penalty, but rather an 'eligibility suspension' tied to his 'partial supplemental draft status' to protect the open market. What?

Such a weak excuse from the NFL..it just shows how arbitrary the 5 game decision is. They are not creating a deterrent for kids to not get in trouble..just take a look at the regular draft and the list of 'problem's that show up. IF they want to send a message to protect the sanctity of college football then the Seahawks should have less roster spots available to coach Pete. Reggie Bush should be reviewed for at least a 5 game suspension. All of the Cane players recently implicated should be freaking the hell out that the NFL is going to suspend them.

And he can't practice... please... he would have been better off taking steroids or sexually assaulting women in a bath room than doing..what ever he did... to get a 5 game suspension. What did he do that the NFL should penalize him for 5 weeks? Take a look at what a palyer has to do to get a 5 week suspension from the NFL.

Unless the NCAA and the NFL are connected organizations it is collusion.

I don't get 5 games. If he did everything he did at OSU again today it wouldn't prompt any problems from the NFL front office. In fact, he probably is ready to sell his swag, get paid for his signature and accept cash from benefactors to hold him over until the NFL checks start and that is how the system works in the league.

Harvard? You are either in or not. If they accept you..you go to class. They wouldn't accept you but make you skip the first 5 weeks of class. If you want to compare it to college enrollment then they either let you in or tell him to try again next term (next draft).

I'm not a big Pryor fan..but this is clearly collusion.
 
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OSUK;1971328; said:
He is doing Pryor a HUGE favor imo.

You're probably right that he's doing Pryor a favor, but is he right to do so? I don't think so. I have to agree with Hinyg8 - he didn't break any NFL rules or any laws. Pryor deserves something from someone. But I can't figure out what or from whom. I just don't know that Goodell is that someone.

If he can make a good case that Pryor is bad for the NFL, and that simply letting him into the league at this point can damage the NFL, I'd be all for having him sit out. And actually, I do think that skipping the first draft for a second draft potentially can harm the NFL, as well as the NCAA. I don't know how common a supplemental draft is - I've never heard of one before this. Is it a 1-player draft, or will there be hundreds of people trying to get a spot? Maybe the rule should be that everyone entering a supplemental draft has to sit out 5 games. I'd be OK with that. But for Goodell to be the shaking finger pointed at Pryor - I don't see it as "right".
 
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HINYG8;1971348; said:
And he can't practice... please... he would have been better off taking steroids or sexually assaulting women in a bath room than doing..what ever he did... to get a 5 game suspension. What did he do that the NFL should penalize him for 5 weeks? Take a look at what a palyer has to do to get a 5 week suspension from the NFL.

Unless the NCAA and the NFL are connected organizations it is collusion.

+1
 
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