QB/WR Terrelle Pryor ('10 Rose, '11 Sugar MVP)

[Pheasant]

Pryor after college has no compulsion to talk to the ncaa.

had he not left, the ncaa could rule him ineligible if he doesn't talk.

Pryor was definitely facing more alleged violations than the others. Since he left and the powerless ncaa has no way to make him talk, then those other issues are abandoned without evidence and proof.

So in other words, you can't PROVE anything to the NFL. You saying it doesn't make it so.

He was never "ruled ineligible" for the supp draft, at least not yet. The speculation over his eligibility in NCAA is what lead OSU to end such speculation.
Terrelle was personally asked by Coach Tressel to publicly make a statement prior to the Sugar Bowl stating that he would be sitting out the game because he didn't deserve to play. Pryor's situation was a lot different/worse than that of the other players suspended for 5 games. I don't think we'll ever fully know the extent of it and I'm not sure I would want to know.
However, it seems like the NFL truly wants to know (or at least wants to make sure the NCAA knows) and is dragging its feet. Almost like blackmail. At least that's my take.

I should have said "wasn't ruled eligible". The rest of your post is pretty much my point. There is no clear evidence that Pryor did anything the others didn't. There is speculation. The NFL seems to want to know what we are only speculating on.

If you have to ask, then you have not been following this saga at all. We are talking about Terrelle only, not the Univsersity. It was even quoted as much from the Plain Dealer in this very thread (here):



And jwins explained the rest below.

The article you linked is useless. It's no different than you guys saying "TP's situation is clearly different". Congratulations, you Taos'd me.

Here, again, is my point:
The NFL needs proof that his eligibility status changed after the deadline to declare for the draft (or after the draft, doesn't matter which). The proof Terrelle provided seems to be a letter from the university saying he would be ineligible for the season. The letter was written after the question of his eligibility came up. If I were the NFL I would be skeptical that tOSU and Pryor had an agreement of some sort which would include me writing a letter stating he was ineligible in exchange for S'ingTFU to the NCAA. I would need more information, such as why he was declared ineligible.

I'm not in agreement with the NFL on this, I was simply trying to rebut claims that ESPN or the NCAA has a hand in this, which is fucking stupid.

If Pryor's situation is different than the rest of the tat 5, he's going to have to prove/explain it to the NFL in order to be eligible (probably). The question then becomes, does he eat the bullet and sit out a year, or does he fill Goodell in on the goings on in Columbus?

 

[jwinslow]

So in other words, you can't PROVE anything to the NFL. You saying it doesn't make it so.

this wording is confusing. If the you is generic, then yes, pryor is officially guilty of only the tat 5 stuff. A powerless organization relies 95% on others to do their investigating. In almost all cases, the feds or media find all of the dirt for them, often after the ncaa gives them a clean bill of health or close.

If the you is referring to me, none of my statements were opinions.
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The letter was written after the question of his eligibility came up. If I were the NFL I would be skeptical that tOSU and Pryor had an agreement of some sort which would include me writing a letter stating he was ineligible in exchange for S'ingTFU to the NCAA. I would need more information, such as why he was declared ineligible.

I'm not in agreement with the NFL on this, I was simply trying to rebut claims that ESPN or the NCAA has a hand in this, which is fucking stupid.

If Pryor's situation is different than the rest of the tat 5, he's going to have to prove/explain it to the NFL in order to be eligible (probably). The question then becomes, does he eat the bullet and sit out a year, or does he fill Goodell in on the goings on in Columbus?

it isn't that complicated. The ban was obviously a reaction and thus questionable.

As for goodell, he doesn't live in a fantasy world like much of cfb. He knows players get cars, tats sign stuff and drink beer. He can find out very quickly what behavior tp engaged in .

he doesn't have to prove anything, unlike the ncaa.

 

[generaladm]

Maybe the NFL doesn't want college players taking impermissible benefits with the thought in their head that if they get caught, they will just apply for the supplemental draft. This could be influential to Juniors who have to decide to enter the draft or come back for their senior season. If a booster offered money for the player to come back, the player may be more tempted to skip the main draft and keep the supplemental as a back-up. He even could leak his own benefits to the press to get himself declared ineligible by the NCAA in time to play in the NFL in the fall.

This is more along my line of thought on the situation. The NFL has for years benefited from what is in essence a vast farm system for developing players (NCAA programs). If the NFL execs see a situation that has any chance of upsetting their status quo, they will squash it with the fervor of a Middle Eastern dictator. I would assume that the NFL is considering the TP situation more in regards to what precedent it would set than what is fair to TP.

 

[Pheasant]

this wording is confusing. If the you is generic, then yes, pryor is officially guilty of only the tat 5 stuff. A powerless organization relies 95% on others to do their investigating. In almost all cases, the feds or media find all of the dirt for them, often after the ncaa gives them a clean bill of health or close.

If the you is referring to me, none of my statements were opinions.
. it isn't that complicated. The ban was obviously a reaction and thus questionable.

As for goodell, he doesn't live in a fantasy world like much of cfb. He knows players get cars, tats sign stuff and drink beer. He can find out very quickly what behavior tp engaged in .

he doesn't have to prove anything, unlike the ncaa.

Let me try again.

His ineligibility is because he chose not to cooperate with the NCAA. Nothing else changed regarding his eligibility, just a choice he made in relation to his scholarship commitment. I still think the NFL is going to declare him eligible, I just think it's taking this long because of the nature of his eligibility change. One could argue this is no different than a BYU player knocking up his sister, girlfriend, whatever. The problem is that Pryor could have, of his own choosing, reinstated his eligibility by cooperating further with the investigation. It's a unique situation and I'm sure the lawyers at the NFL are creating walls of text trying to figure it out.

What it ISN'T is a ploy by the NCAA and ESPN.
Pryor also was not declared ineligible due to facing more charges than the rest of the tat 5, if you think that you must not have been following this saga at all.

 

[sparcboxbuck]

Let me try again.

His ineligibility is because he chose not to cooperate with the NCAA.

I think that this is the assumption that you are making that is at issue. We don't know if this is true or not... And if true, is it the only thing that changed his status. I doubt we'll ever know the full truth.

 

[Pheasant]

I think that this is the assumption that you are making that is at issue. We don't know if this is true or not... And if true, is it the only thing that changed his status. I doubt we'll ever know the full truth.

LINK

In a letter written Tuesday by athletic director Gene Smith, Ohio State officially reported that Pryor's refusal to cooperate with an NCAA investigation would have deemed him ineligible for the entire 2011 season

I apologize for not posting more clear replies to the earlier posts, but it's not too late for you guys to just agree with me.

 

[jwinslow]

But that sentence is misleading.

They aren't responding to a snub of the ncaa. Him skipping an investigation left his status unclear and unconvincing.

Maybe they are also retaliating for the snub, but that would be pretty hard to guess, given that their behavior would look the same as if they were just unconvinced or concerned with precedent.

 

[Pheasant]

But that sentence is misleading.

They aren't responding to a snub of the ncaa. Him skipping an investigation left his status unclear and unconvincing.

Maybe they are also retaliating for the snub, but that would be pretty hard to guess, given that their behavior would look the same as if they were just unconvinced or concerned with precedent.

Is this sentence misleading?

When it comes to current players and coaches, talking to the NCAA isn't a choice. It's a requirement. Ignoring that request put Pryor in violation of NCAA Bylaw 10.1, the unethical conduct statute that helped lead to Tressel's departure.

Should Pryor sit out?

Pryor may have to sit out 2011 This is a complicated situation. What made Pryor ineligible -- a decision to sign with an agent and leave school -- was of his own doing; it's not a situation where he failed out or was thrown off a team.

 

[Tonyank]

eSPIN is reporting draft postponed

 

[CleveBucks]

eSPIN is reporting draft postponed

That's because half the Hurricanes starting lineup just declared.

 

[Tonyank]

That's because half the Hurricanes starting lineup just declared.

ba dump staaa

 

[Gatorubet]

That's because half the Hurricanes starting lineup just declared.

 

[MaliBuckeye]

Why Pryor left, per the Dispatch-

Two sources told The Dispatch yesterday that the new investigation centered on his relationship with his mentor Ted Sarniak. The NCAA alerted Ohio State that Sarniak, a businessman from Pryor's hometown of Jeannette, Pa., had to scale back his relationship with the quarterback once he enrolled in 2008.
The sources said that the NCAA was checking into a trip Pryor made to the Miami area during spring break in March that Sarniak may have helped arrange, along with other benefits that would be considered rules violations.
When pushed to provide explanations, Pryor instead opted to end his college career, the sources said.
The NFL is said to be privy to those details, though James would not confirm that.

 

[southcampus]

Mortenson from ESPN reporting that Pryor admitted to NCAA that Sednarik (Sp?) helped TP financially and helped his family with car payments.

schadjoe Joe Schad



Per @mortreport, TPryor's attorney said the QB admitted to NCAA mentor Ted Sarniak gave TP and his mother cash and helped with car payment

 

[Tlangs]

Mortenson from ESPN reporting that Pryor admitted to NCAA that Sednarik (Sp?) helped TP financially and helped his family with car payments.

schadjoe Joe Schad



Per @mortreport, TPryor's attorney said the QB admitted to NCAA mentor Ted Sarniak gave TP and his mother cash and helped with car payment

so Joe Schad can't even get the name of someone correct when reporting on a story...