QB/WR Terrelle Pryor ('10 Rose, '11 Sugar MVP)

[jimotis4heisman]

it is interesting to me how i personally felt that pryor was vastly overrated by most buckeye fans/bp posters. now it appears it that he, in the opinion of many wouldnt start on the 7th grade jr high team...

imo, you have a physical freak who had many/most of the tools necessary to be a big time college/sunday qb. the reality is the kid may have had all the tools (or enough to be successful) but lacked the necessary "toolbox" required to put everything together. its a sad story. hopefully though one that may turn out more in line with a cris carter, than the clarrett (who took another half decade to seemingly get his life in order), and certainly not like an art story (three decades plus later life still in shambles)...

 

[SmoovP]

it is interesting to me how i personally felt that pryor was vastly overrated by most buckeye fans/bp posters. now it appears it that he, in the opinion of many wouldnt start on the 7th grade jr high team...

imo, you have a physical freak who had many/most of the tools necessary to be a big time college/sunday qb. the reality is the kid may have had all the tools (or enough to be successful) but lacked the necessary "toolbox" required to put everything together. its a sad story. hopefully though one that may turn out more in line with a cris carter, than the clarrett (who took another half decade to seemingly get his life in order), and certainly not like an art story (three decades plus later life still in shambles)...

I have a theory about those insanely gifted guys. It goes like this.

There are those freakishly athletic guys who, until they hit the pros, are the best players on the field without really working that hard at it. From PeeWee ball on up, they dominate everyone around them on talent and superior athleticism alone.

Even at a high level college program, they can pretty much skate by on natural ability without giving it a whole lot of thought or effort. The Razorbacks had one of those guys a few years back in Matt Jones. I suspect that Cam Newton is one of those guys.

But when they hit the pros, where everyone is within a few fractions of being equal, things get exponentially more difficult for those guys.

Because they never developed the work ethic and mental drive to push themselves when things get difficult, they often flounder and fail.

It is often those guys that are a half step slower, but possess a demonically driven 'want to' who become the most valuable players on any given team in any given sport. Give me a half dozen of those guys and I'll beat the Superstar team 4 times out of 7. See the recently finished NBA championship for an example of that.

It is an exceedingly rare combination for one of those athletic freaks to also possess the drive, determination and work ethic to make the most of their freakish athleticism. Michael Jordan was one such guy. LeBron James, it appears, is not.

I'm not making a comment on Terelle Pryor specifically - he'll prove it one way or another - it's just a general observation I've thought about over the years.

 

[jimotis4heisman]

sounds similar to chris speilmans "god is fair" theorem. basically we all are created within a bell curve, few outliers exist and those who dominate in one certain areas(s) are typically deficient in other area(s).

 

[jwinslow]

sounds similar to chris speilmans "god is fair" theorem. basically we all are created within a bell curve, few outliers exist and those who dominate in one certain areas(s) are typically deficient in other area(s).

Humans often even things out with their behavior (overcoming obstacles or resting on their laurels/strengths), but I've seen little evidence to suggest that life is fair and balanced with regards to strengths and weaknesses, whether discussing a person or a life.

 

[jimotis4heisman]

Humans often even things out with their behavior (overcoming obstacles or resting on their laurels/strengths), but I've seen little evidence to suggest that life is fair and balanced with regards to strengths and weaknesses, whether discussing a person or a life.

see steve jobs/bill gates wife. compared to some loser ass biker guy.

see tp, compared to craig krenzel.

the point is not that life is fully fair, nor are we all dealt the same cards, merely in the end, generically speaking, life shakes out into some form of a bell curve in total attributable skills/talents/etc

 

[Jaxbuck]

sounds similar to chris speilmans "god is fair" theorem. basically we all are created within a bell curve, few outliers exist and those who dominate in one certain areas(s) are typically deficient in other area(s).

I agree loosely.

I always think of Shaq in his prime and free throws. If he was an 80%+ FT shooter they would have had to change the game or just stop playing.

As it were he lived in the skinny tails of every category and it balanced him out to the point of being "fair" to the rest of the NBA.

I know its not scientific, just a theory.

 

[Pheasant]

Pretty sure the media has been on the front end of all the "proven" violations and if/when more are proven, they are in front on that as well. I'll take my chances trusting the media over a rabid fan base that has claimed at every turn that this was all bull[Mark May] and there was nothing to see all along. Sorry Kyle, but dismissing the hated media is hollow anymore and seems more than just naive but rather intentionally obtuse.

Were you drunk when you posted this?
The media fired a shotgun at the target and a few pellets landed, and now they're infallible?

 

[matcar]

Were you drunk when you posted this?
The media fired a shotgun at the target and a few pellets landed, and now they're infallible?

Nope, just less unreliable than those here who dismiss their stories. I'm OK with what the media has covered with our problems.

 

[jwinslow]

Nope, just less unreliable than those here who dismiss their stories. I'm OK with what the media has covered with our problems.

Wonderful. "Fans are more biased" is not even sort of a rebuttal, yet it's the entire premise of this post and the last one.

I'm not suggesting OSU skates here, but mocking people for blindly claiming there's nothing to see here, then doing the exact opposite (blindly insisting there's something to see here, but refusing to discuss what they actually got right in the last few months), isn't any better

 

[utgrad73]

http://www.cleveland.com/livingston/index.ssf/2011/06/a_talent_for_big_plays_and_big.html

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Terrelle Pryor left Ohio State much as his "mentor" LeBron James left Cleveland -- as a controversial disappointment in his first pro stop.
Pryor didn't exit on the toe of interim coach Luke Fickell's shoe, but it was close. He also left before the NCAA judges handed down a punishment for his allegedly epic role in OSU's series of scandals, a penalty that conceivably would have rivaled the one-year suspension handed down to coach Jim Tressel's first OSU star, Maurice Clarett.

His passes were often late and high over the middle of the field, a cardinal sin in the NFL. The off-target throws to Dane Sanzenbacher sometimes sent the fearless wide receiver pinwheeling through the air after huge hits. Pryor's deep throws had a Dirk Nowitzkian arc on them, allowing safeties time to recover and contest the catch.

Good luck in the NFL

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

sounds similar to chris speilmans "god is fair" theorem. basically we all are created within a bell curve, few outliers exist and those who dominate in one certain areas(s) are typically deficient in other area(s).

 

[Buckskin86]

Posted: Friday June 17, 2011
Andrew Perloff>INSIDE THE NFL

Against the grain: 5 reasons Pryor will go high in supplemental draft

Terrelle Pryor's elusiveness served him well at Ohio State, but likely won't be as much use as an NFL quarterback.
Damian Strohmeyer/SI

An offseason NFL breakdown that heads in the opposite direction of your average pro football analysis.

1. Higher for Pryor

Terrelle Pryor couldn't have orchestrated his entry to the NFL any better. The former Ohio State quarterback is in the right place at the right time. If the supplemental draft happens before the season, as expected, he will be selected higher than had he come out another year. Here are five reasons:

a. Teams are quarterback crazy. With the lack of depth at the position around the league, four quarterbacks went in the top 12 picks of April's draft. That's fine if you have a class with Eli Manning, Philip Rivers and Ben Roethlisberger. But this wasn't even a particularly strong crop of QBs. Each one probably went at least 10 picks higher than he should have. Pryor will benefit from the same sense of desperation at the game's most important position.

b. Pryor won't have to go through the interview process. Pryor would have excelled at the physical drills during the combine, but he would have had problems meeting with the teams. He's coming off a scandal and doesn't seem comfortable talking in tough situations. Ohio State shielded him from the media, and even at his introductory press conference with agent Drew Rosenhaus, the quarterback didn't take questions. What kind of NFL quarterback doesn't take questions?

c. Teams are putting too high a priority on athleticism. Pryor should thank Michael Vick for temporarily convincing the NFL the ability to run is important for quarterbacks. That's part of the reason Newton and Locker went in the top 10. Pryor is elusive, but in the big picture that will have little impact on his ability to effectively lead an NFL offense.

d. Teams probably just want to do something. With no free agency yet during this locked-out offseason, general managers are going to have very itchy trigger fingers. Finding players is what these men are hired to do. Save for the draft, they haven't been able to do any of that and are probably eager to get back to business.

e. Teams don't care about college scandals right now. Former Arkansas quarterback Ryan Mallett dropped because of character concerns, but they were personal and had nothing to do with his school. The league seems to know everything about draft prospects. Teams had to know what Reggie Bush was driving at USC and he still went No. 2 overall. Newton's eligibility was in question all season and the Carolina Panthers weren't scared. Pryor may have left Ohio State in shatters, but no one in the NFL will care.

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/20...06/17/terrelle-pryor/index.html#ixzz1PYMmkJmu

 

[SmoovP]

e. Teams don't care about college scandals right now. Former Arkansas quarterback Ryan Mallett dropped because of character concerns, but they were personal and had nothing to do with his school. The league seems to know everything about draft prospects. Teams had to know what Reggie Bush was driving at USC and he still went No. 2 overall. Newton's eligibility was in question all season and the Carolina Panthers weren't scared. Pryor may have left Ohio State in shatters, but no one in the NFL will care.

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/20...06/17/terrelle-pryor/index.html#ixzz1PYMmkJmu

Is he suggesting that there are not 'personal' character concerns with Mr. Pryor?

 

[bassbuckeye07]

Is he suggesting that there are not 'personal' character concerns with Mr. Pryor?

I think by way of not punching a woman, smoking the funny stuff, drinking purple drank, stealing, raping, dog fights, people kills people, sexual assult that ends in the victim commiting suicide...I think he is saying the NFL doesnt care about extra benefits because most of the players on their roster took them when they were in college...most of the coaches know things about college football we dont want to know...

 

[Dryden]

Is he suggesting that there are not 'personal' character concerns with Mr. Pryor?

Considering the vices some NFL players flaunt, being self-absorbed and living beyond your means don't even register in the league.

AFAIK, he's never been arrested, charged with any crimes, failed a drug test, or been caught in public in some compromising situation. Until the SI investigation broke and JT resigned, I'd never heard any comments that he was unwelcome in the locker room either.