QB/WR Terrelle Pryor ('10 Rose, '11 Sugar MVP)

[UpNorthBuckeye]

1. If Ballard doesn't go up and get that 3rd down pass... in fairness to TP I don't think he was at full strength that day, but his passing was nothing extraordinary for a college QB. It was his running that often limited what the Oregon defense could do in pass protection. His legs sustained more drives than his arm if I recall correctly.

2. I'm convinced, from the very tiny amount of time he played wide out, that he has all the skills needed to be a top wide receiver in the NFL.

3. IMO until a Vince Young, Mike Vick, Cam Newton or TP type QB wins three or four conference titles you will have a difficult time selling anything but the drop back QB in the league. The issue of changing offense style and philosophy between a running QB and a drop back when #1 goes down is probably on the minds of GMs and coaches also.

4. DVDs of the games in question are probably available through Amazon and OSU sweatshirt/T-shirt emporiums on Lane Ave. You can also check out Rocketman's collection of games on this site. Amazon.com: Ohio State Football - Movies & TV

yeah yeah, if Ballard doesn't go up, yada yada. The thing is, he was playing against a QB who was supposed to be really good, really fast, and according to Herbie, really had a good arm, strong and accurate. And he made masoli look like an idiot. If not for the punt returns and the good Oregon running backs, that game is abuot 31-10 OSU.

And my post didn't say anything about him translating into a great NFL quarterback, and I wasn't addressing the GMs.

You sound like Herbie's commentary during the game.

Which is okay, we all hate TP now. I understand.

I guess the point of my post was, we're really going to miss him, and the distance between him and our #2 QB, whoever that might be, is huge.

I think given his NFL size, he will get a shot somewhere to show if he can be an NFL quarterback. I'd say he has a fair chance.

There hasn't really been a sure lock guaranteed NFL qb coming out of college since, oh, I don't know, Ryan Leaf??

:)

 

[OCBucksFan]

I might get a ban for this, but hell, if so, it's what happens.

There's a lot of really loyal fans to the Bucks, myself included, but this kid was and is trouble. it's hard for me to wish good things on him, and impossible for me to say "proud he's a buckeye." This kid has had a bad aura since he came in, there's been may posts here about how he was on campus that were deleted, these were a sign of what happened.

Do I wish this kid the best? Let me as you this, do you think this kid wishes tOSU the best? Better question, do you think this kid even reads the paper about what happens to the program after he's gone?

I don't blame everything that's happening on TP, but at this point, I have seen the magic of the last 10 years gone and right now I see a kid that doesn't care, and it's hard, almost impossible, for me to wish success upon him.

 

[Buckeneye]

I'd argue that this past year's offensive line is the best we've had in years and better than Troy Smith's 06 line, especially on a national level.

I think you mean the 05' line. Datish at Center in 06 had some very poor mistakes at very critical times (see: The Game)

 

[cincibuck]

yeah yeah, if Ballard doesn't go up, yada yada. The thing is, he was playing against a QB who was supposed to be really good, really fast, and according to Herbie, really had a good arm, strong and accurate. And he made masoli look like an idiot. If not for the punt returns and the good Oregon running backs, that game is abuot 31-10 OSU.

And my post didn't say anything about him translating into a great NFL quarterback, and I wasn't addressing the GMs.

You sound like Herbie's commentary during the game.

Which is okay, we all hate TP now. I understand.

I guess the point of my post was, we're really going to miss him, and the distance between him and our #2 QB, whoever that might be, is huge.

I think given his NFL size, he will get a shot somewhere to show if he can be an NFL quarterback. I'd say he has a fair chance.

There hasn't really been a sure lock guaranteed NFL qb coming out of college since, oh, I don't know, Ryan Leaf??

:)

I don't hate TP. I may be angry, but the kid gave us a great many exciting moments of football and I don't think we have near the same record without him. Put him on Rich Rod's team and we might have lost one of those three games. That being said I don't think he was much of a passing, pro type QB -- an outstanding athlete no doubt -- but a pretty average QB.

If the new #1 is Braxton Miller then I think those who anticipate whooping up on the Buckeyes better bring their own lunch.

 

[RhodeIslandBuck]

I think you mean the 05' line. Datish at Center in 06 had some very poor mistakes at very critical times (see: The Game)

To be honest, I mean 05, 06, 07 and just about any year Tressel's been here. This was IMO the best offense we've had in the Tressel era, Pryor definitely had the advantage of playing behind a bigtime offensive line.

 

[Jaxbuck]

To be honest, I mean 05, 06, 07 and just about any year Tressel's been here. This was IMO the best offense we've had in the Tressel era, Pryor definitely had the advantage of playing behind a bigtime offensive line.

Not recruited by JT/Bollman but I'd put the 2001 line up there with last years, if not ahead.

Tyson Walter
Adrian Clarke
LeCharles Bentley
Alex Stepanovich
Shane Olivea

No real LT but everyone of those guys was excellent at their position. I know Walter was hated but an interior G-C-G combo of Walter-Bentley-Stepanovich is as good as any we've had in quite some time.

Now that I think about it, with Jamar Martin at FB, Darnell Sanders at TE, Michael Jenkins at WR and Jonathan Wells at RB I think everyone of those guys was drafted.

 

[jwinslow]

Pryor had an excellent line but a mediocre crop of WRs. Krenzel was throwing to Gamble, Holmes as his third WR. Smith to Gonzalez, with three draftees next off the bench, and the #6 guy is starting in the NFL.

Pryor had Sanzenbacher in year 1 and turned it over a lot less. After that he had a raw and unfocused carter as his third WR, with an inconsistent Posey as his feature WR. Last year they started over with another inconsistent freshman. This year it was likely going to be more of the same.

 

[jwinslow]

Not recruited by JT/Bollman but I'd put the 2001 line up there with last years, if not ahead.

Tyson Walter
Adrian Clarke
LeCharles Bentley
Alex Stepanovich
Shane Olivea

No real LT but everyone of those guys was excellent at their position. I know Walter was hated but an interior G-C-G combo of Walter-Bentley-Stepanovich is as good as any we've had in quite some time.

Now that I think about it, with Jamar Martin at FB, Darnell Sanders at TE, Michael Jenkins at WR and Jonathan Wells at RB I think everyone of those guys was drafted.

Tressel recruits Mangold and Sims bolstered that line. I'm not sure that line was more effective than the 09-10 interior, though it is hard to judge since Krenzel rarely was able to make them pay through the air.

They had such a dominant defense that they could beat teams with Toledo @ UM 08 offensive production.

The last two years they tried to build a more aggressive offense around Pryor and he failed. Both Novembers they shifted to a RB centric offense, daring teams to stop them, and they just pummeled it down their throats with striking efficiency. I'm not sure we saw that level of consistency in moving the chains with the 02 line.

 

[Jaxbuck]

Tressel recruits Mangold and Sims bolstered that line. I'm not sure that line was more effective than the 09-10 interior, though it is hard to judge since Krenzel rarely was able to make them pay through the air.

They had such a dominant defense that they could beat teams with Toledo @ UM 08 offensive production.

The last two years they tried to build a more aggressive offense around Pryor and he failed. Both Novembers they shifted to a RB centric offense, daring teams to stop them, and they just pummeled it down their throats with striking efficiency. I'm not sure we saw that level of consistency in moving the chains with the 02 line.

I guess I'm biased because I still consider The Game '01 the single greatest display of power running OSU put up during the Tressel era (given the caliber of the competition). There may have been games with more rushing yards but never against a team a)as good as scUM was in '01 and b) 100% geared to stop the run like they were in Krenzels first start.

I'd also argue that 2002 line would have had the requisite consistency with either a healthy MoC or a capable back up. MoC came in injured and gashed the same defense behind the same line in the same game Hall and Ross couldn't get out of the backfield in.

This past years line could have been the best, who knows, it's always easier to say once you have a couple years of hindsight.

 

[jwinslow]

I misread that as 02, which should be impossible given bentley. I would put 10 ahead of 02 since Clarett improved the offense but to a 21-24 pt level. 01 definitely had the most next level talent.

 

[Oh8ch]

I have a theory about those insanely gifted guys. It goes like this.

I would go with a combination of being treated as special and this theory:

http://www.hhs.gov/opa/familylife/t...rain/Development/prefrontal_cortex/index.html

 

[TooTall]

and the distance between him and our #2 QB, whoever that might be, is huge.

Because of inexperience and inexperience only. Any other argument is pointless until these players see considerable playing time. The only thing you can compare between say Braxton Miller and TP at this moment in time, is how both were heavily recruited out of HS, and B.Miller didn't make himself look like a media whore doing so.

 

[bassbuckeye07]

TP was sweet but did a bunch of stupid shit that exposed the Ohio State to trouble...his enablers did much worse

 

[sparcboxbuck]

There were whispers in the past about how TP wasn't exactly the most well-liked guy in the locker room... I remember Duane specifically referenced this in at least one of his past blogs.

To that end, does anyone remember his frosh campaign? Was it me or did anyone else notice the stark difference in what happened after a TD when it was from TP and when it was from Todd? And I'm not taking about at the end of the season, I'm talking about just after the SC game. I think that there was a divided team then, and it only got a bit better after that SR class graduated.

That said, it's been his team for a while and the younger guys knew no different. Either way, if this brings the locker room together, then fine. But for as much that went on behind the closed doors at the WHAC, color me not surprised in the least.

 

[JBaney45]

To that end, does anyone remember his frosh campaign? Was it me or did anyone else notice the stark difference in what happened after a TD when it was from TP and when it was from Todd? And I'm not taking about at the end of the season, I'm talking about just after the SC game. I think that there was a divided team then, and it only got a bit better after that SR class graduated.

That said, it's been his team for a while and the younger guys knew no different. Either way, if this brings the locker room together, then fine. But for as much that went on behind the closed doors at the WHAC, color me not surprised in the least.

To be fair the team is led by older guys..Boeckman was a senior and elected captain of the team. It's easy to see where they would want him to be the quarterback of the team over a young unproven guy.