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[SmoovP]

You're more sensitive than a former alter boy wearing ass-less chaps at a Thump birthday party.

Why you gotta bring the Texas Longhorns into this discussion?

 

[buckeyesin07]

Yes I am calling them out, primarily because many of us have felt that this was going to happen since March and at every bump along the way someone chimes in to say we're over the top with pessimism or disrespectful to players or coach or are somehow less Buckeye.

OK, let me know the numbers of the posts where you've criticized others, and I'll stand corrected.

Heck, uf has been saying for weeks that there is more to come and gets bashed each time for it.

I haven't bashed (or even responded to) uf's posts. Try to direct your anger at the proper party next time.

So yeah, when I saw your comments so strongly adamantly stating that we weren't in high [Mark May], it blew me away. I'm tired with all the excuses and "this isn't a big deal" posts because it has been obvious since March that our situation was really poor and getting worse by the day.

I see. Your way of coping with the OSU problems is by ranting at other BP posters.

 

[cincibuck]

Edit: I overlooked the obvious, why are you bringing up rival papers? The point is a tuscaloosa or Gainesville paper is not going to bite the hand that feeds it like this.you're bringing up a tree as comparable? and no, they didn't break the newton story. Twitter relayed the ncaa investigation news.
and you would guess wrong, but that's never stopped you from contrarian roles before.
why would they need to? Or is this another guess without knowledge of the vindictive media in Detroit and Ann Arbor ?

Seems to me that the Newton story got its legs when reporters in Jackson got an interview with a Mississippi State recruiter reporting a shake down attempt by Cecil.

And after living in Columbus for the better part of a decade I couldn't help but be aware of the special relationship between the Dispatch and Ohio State football. Paul Hornung was nothing short of Woody's personal PR man and Jimmy Crum was nothing more than an announcer. Of course both would run like Mercury to spread the news of evil doings in Ann Arbor.

For years Atlanta's paper protected Georgia and GT, but that didn't keep them from spreading evil about Florida, Tennessee and especially Alabama.

Here's what I might concede, football does not hold the same social weight in the North that it holds in the South. No public high school in Ohio could spend 60M to build a stadium the way a high school in Texas recently did last year. http://articles.nydailynews.com/201...football-stadium-allen-high-school-completion

 

[buckeyesin07]

Give it a rest. Who do you think uncovered the Alabama fan poisoning the trees in Plain City, or wherever the hell Auburn is? Who [Mark May] on Cam Newton's parade?

In fact, given the intensity of the rivalries in the SEC, I'd guess you can count on the media from the other guy's city to be watching your program very, very carefully.

And while you're at it, do you think reporters in Lansing don't watch what goes on in Ann Arbor?

If you've got a link to a story of reporters performing undercover surveillance on any of the programs you've cited above, I'd love to see it. By the way--Auburn's program was at the White House yesterday, so the "[Mark May] on Cam Newton's parade" must not have been that problematic, eh?

 

[cincibuck]

If you've got a link to a story of reporters performing undercover surveillance on any of the programs you've cited above, I'd love to see it. By the way--Auburn's program was at the White House yesterday, so the "[Mark May] on Cam Newton's parade" must not have been that problematic, eh?

Are you suggesting that nothing was made of Miss State accusations that Cam's dad tried to shake them down? Are you suggesting that that run up to the BCS CG wasn't filled with media speculation? Are you asking me to believe that there are no more stories about the possibility of Auburn having to give up their crystal football or Cam losing his Heisman?

Just for shits and grins, here's an old story that began in Atlanta and was quickly pushed into a national media frenzy: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1075131/index.htm

 

[jwinslow]

Seems to me that the Newton story got its legs when reporters in Jackson got an interview with a Mississippi State recruiter reporting a shake down attempt by Cecil.

Looked into it a bit further after our exchange. It appears the story originated because John Bond emailed out a legally prepared statement to various media outlets, including ESPN, the NY Times & The Clarion Ledger.

And after living in Columbus for the better part of a decade I couldn't help but be aware of the special relationship between the Dispatch and Ohio State football. Paul Hornung was nothing short of Woody's personal PR man and Jimmy Crum was nothing more than an announcer

true, which makes the recent reversal pretty surprising. Clearly they didn't cause this issue but they've certainly changed their approach towards the home university in recent years. Is it the dwindling subscription numbers?

For years Atlanta's paper protected Georgia and GT

That was his point

 

[SmoovP]

I'm not implying that UF is cheating and getting away with it because of the press. I Apologize if that came across that way.

I do wonder how long the sun would retain its credentials if they were leaking practice secrets and trick formations Urban was working on for the BCS bowl game.

Perhaps a more relevant question would be the tangible history here. Was the sun this relentless back when rumors first swirled during your NCAA issues a few decades back ?

In general the dispatch has not been like this, whereas the Detroit media has always been eager to tear down UM.

I think that any programs relationship with the local press is informed by wide a variety of factors - and that how the local press reacts to any situation is informed by those factors.

1: Is the coach friendly to the reporters?
2: Does the coach provide open access to the program?
3: What is the ADs role and relationship with the press?
4: How successful is the program?
4: How successful is the media outlet?
5: Does a reporter have an axe to grind?
6: What is the programs reputation for clean living?
7: etc. etc. etc.

Having said all that, and despite of what the answers to those questions are on an individual basis, once the press smells blood in the water, they are going to do everything they can to wring every possible bit of drama out of the situation. That's just how the press works. Drama sells papers.

I think one of the things that has worked against tOSU in all this is the reputation you guys have had for clean living. There might not be a story the press loves more than someone who appears to be squeaky clean being shown to have a dirty secret.

Back in the Houston Dale Nutt days, our local press was a fawning, cock-sucking bunch of do-nothings who made excuses, covered up, rationalized and justified for his sorry ass. He also had a very powerful AD who commanded a LOT of 'respect' from the local media - his word was Holy Writ and crossing him was not a good career move.

Houston Dale had a very cozy relationship with the local media and made them part of his inner circle of dooshbags and part good ol' boy network with lots of insider access and double secret inside information. They could be counted on to toe the company line and do Dale's dirty PR work in the media (See Malzahn, Gus; Mustain, Mitch; Hillis, Payton).

But that was the very same media who turned on Nolan Richardson with a vengeance once J. Frank Broyles decided it was time for Nolan to go. They turned on him like a pack of rabid weasels. But Nolan never played the game with the media. He kept them at arms length and had a pretty open disdain for a few of them - and deservedly so. They were vicious toward him the first couple of years when he was struggling with a dying teenage daughter and trying to get the program re-made in his image - going from the slow, plodding Eddie Sutton style to the 40-minutes-or-hell style he made famous.

While he had the Razorbacks in the top ten every year, the press couldn't say much, but as soon as he slipped out of the top 25 and his relationship with Broyles deteriorated, the press turned on him and baited him into saying something that eventually got him runoft.

The press' relationship with a program is complicated and it's hard to say how it will go when trouble hits. You never know what dynamic will trump the narrative.

 

[matcar]

OK, let me know the numbers of the posts where you've criticized others, and I'll stand corrected.



I haven't bashed (or even responded to) uf's posts. Try to direct your anger at the proper party next time.



I see. Your way of coping with the OSU problems is by ranting at other BP posters.

Actually, my way of coping is ranting at you because that seems to be your M.O...so I'm giving you a dose of you. Enjoy.

And no, you didn't bash UFs posts, you urinated on many others so I'm quite fine directing this at you in this case.

 

[SmoovP]

I have another point to make. This is kind of ****, but bear with me - I think it is illuminating.

I read a research paper last year that compared attitudes between poor, middle class and rich people. One of the points illustrated was "what is the most important aspect of food" among the three different groups.

1. The most important thing to rich people is "How is the presentation?"

2. The most important thing to middle class people is "How does it taste?"

3. The most important thing to poor people is "Is there enough?"


For rich people, within reason it is not that important how food tastes or what amount there is - they are most satisfied with a meal when the food is pretty and presented in an elegant setting.

For middle class people, taste trumps everything. Presentation can be anything from sloppy to elegant - as long as it tastes good, and within reason, the amount of it has little bearing on the satisfaction of a meal.

For poor people, it is all about 'Is there enough to go around - did everyone get full?'. As long as everyone gets enough, the quality, taste or presentation isn't that important. It is referred to as a Scarcity Mentality - the constant fear that there won't be enough.


So what do you think happens when, say a poor kid from the hood suddenly finds himself in the middle of an unlimited smorgasbord?

They gorge themselves. They think "I'm going to eat everything I can because come tomorrow, there might not be enough to go around"


If you project that Scarcity Mentality out into areas other than food, it's easy to see how some things with some people have a potential to go.


I'll try and track down the study and link it up. It was a fascinating read.

 

[buckeyesin07]

Actually, my way of coping is ranting at you because that seems to be your M.O...so I'm giving you a dose of you. Enjoy.

And no, you didn't bash UFs posts, you urinated on many others so I'm quite fine directing this at you in this case.

I hadn't realized that the mods around here appointed you as BP hall monitor. Thanks for the lesson, partner.

Enjoy.

 

[AKAK]

I have another point to make. This is kind of ****, but bear with me - I think it is illuminating.

I read a research paper last year that compared attitudes between poor, middle class and rich people. One of the points illustrated was "what is the most important aspect of food" among the three different groups.

1. The most important thing to rich people is "How is the presentation?"

2. The most important thing to middle class people is "How does it taste?"

3. The most important thing to poor people is "Is there enough?"


For rich people, within reason it is not that important how food tastes or what amount there is - they are most satisfied with a meal when the food is pretty and presented in an elegant setting.

For middle class people, taste trumps everything. Presentation can be anything from sloppy to elegant - as long as it tastes good, and within reason, the amount of it has little bearing on the satisfaction of a meal.

For poor people, it is all about 'Is there enough to go around - did everyone get full?'. As long as everyone gets enough, the quality, taste or presentation isn't that important. It is referred to as a Scarcity Mentality - the constant fear that there won't be enough.


So what do you think happens when, say a poor kid from the hood suddenly finds himself in the middle of an unlimited smorgasbord?

They gorge themselves. They think "I'm going to eat everything I can because come tomorrow, there might not be enough to go around"


If you project that Scarcity Mentality out into areas other than food, it's easy to see how some things with some people have a potential to go.


I'll try and track down the study and link it up. It was a fascinating read.

Or we can just watch Trading Places.

 

[buckeyesin07]

Are you suggesting that nothing was made of Miss State accusations that Cam's dad tried to shake them down?

So far, nothing more than about a week's worth of media coverage followed up by a declaration by the NCAA that he's eligible followed up by about zero media coverage. Oh, and there was that NC and White House visit too.

Are you suggesting that that run up to the BCS CG wasn't filled with media speculation?

Not sure how you define "run up to the BCS CG", but I haven't seen much since the NCAA declared him eligible in the first week of December.

Are you asking me to believe that there are no more stories about the possibility of Auburn having to give up their crystal football or Cam losing his Heisman?

I'll believe it when I see it. The most recent things I've seen are Auburn hoisting the crystal football and them visiting the White House as national champs. So pardon me if I'm a bit skeptical.

Now my turn to ask a question: are you really suggesting that the media starts has dug into the Cam story, and, more importantly, given the direction of your questions, which seem to suggest future sanctions, continues to dig into the Cam story, to the tune of undercover surveillance on OSU players, si.com sending its head investigative reporter to Columbus, etc.?

 

[BigWoof31]

I wonder if some of these "papers covering/bashing programs" problems would be eliminated or perhaps enhanced by having a second paper to drive competition.

How many of you saw the 30 for 30 special about SMU (Pony Excess).

If you recall, the documentary featured many prominent jounalist who worked for different papers in the Dallas Market. Most prominent (or at least the most visable) was Skip Bayless.

You would have thought that, if one of the papers chose to cover (or at least turn a blind eye) to some of the problems at SMU they would have garned some special attention from the AD at SMU.

Whatever...maybe a 2nd paper wouldn't have changed things.

 

[jlb1705]

I wonder if some of these "papers covering/bashing programs" problems would be eliminated or perhaps enhanced by Ohio State staying out of trouble in the first place.

I don't care what Cam Newton did or what other schools are getting away with. I want Ohio State to be a clean program.

 

[Gatorubet]

I think we all need to be open-minded about this.

Ubet, can you please provide a link to a local expose on the proportion of those arrests that resulted in charges being dropped? I mean, like we've seen in Columbus recently, with local reporters camping on the doorsteps of officials, coaches and players. You know, using freedom of information requests to dig into the topic and the like.

I'm sure that will put an end to this discussion immediately.

How about you provid a link that shows how the Gainesville press and the Florida Journalism School Woodward wanna-be's publication, The Independent Florida Alligator*, are deficient in meeting standards of reporting and investigative journalism. Ya know - while we're being open-minded about this.

And I like your thought process. An absence of my providing proof of a recent local feeding frenzy like you are currently experiencing supports Josh's statement that our press is complicit in allowing violations to remain hidden rather than bite the hand that feeds it... Because the highly publicized fall of a college football icon like Jim Tressel is a story that happens so often in Gainesville that the local press should have numerous similar examples to draw from.

Can we agree then Steve, that the absence of a local Columbus feeding frenzy during the first ten years of Tressel's career indicates that the local Columbus press covered up Buckeye wrong-doing by virtue of non-reporting and a failure to investigate rather than bite the hand that feeds it?

No? It only works one way? Got it.


* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Independent_Florida_Alligator