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BUCKYLE;1933911; said:
Agreed. Without a doubt. I wouldn't blame someone for being [censored]ed at TP right now. It's just ridiculous to pretend that most of us "know" any of the [censored]ing players.
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I wasn't pretending anything, personally. I just want to be able to back someone's decisions before I back them, and I haven't been able to do that yet for TP. Maybe I didn't word it correctly.
 
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SEREbuckeye;1933970; said:
Agreed. There would be no cover up from JT if the players were in line with the rules.
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There would be no cover up from JT had JT reported the violations.

I think JT is a great man, but this was a moment of immaturity on his part. (This is of course if the claim about protecting his players from criminal stuff doesn't pan out). But even then, he made the decision himself to not disclose it. So he made a decision and now has to live with it. If it protected the players from criminal stuff, then I'm sure he'll have no problem living with said decision.
 
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SEREbuckeye;1933970; said:
Agreed. There would be no cover up from JT if the players were in line with the rules.
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Exactly. While I disagree with the way JT handled it (at least, what I know of the situation.. sitting on the emails & signing the affidavit) he should have never been put in that situation.

Yes, kids will be kids.. but c'mon. Trading autographs/rings for tatt's at a shop in the bottoms....
 
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Coqui;1933971; said:
If it protected the players from criminal stuff, then I'm sure he'll have no problem living with said decision.
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How does his not coming forth with the information possibly protect them from criminal activity? If they were involved with known criminals, one would think the first thing JT or any other responsible person in authority would want would be the institutional power of the university getting involved and getting the proper authorities involved in order to remove those players from the activities and individuals in question--even if it came at the price of their ncaa eligibility. And if they were actually involved in the criminal activity, it would make his decision even worse and would cross over the line into obstruction of justice.

I haven't read anything to indicate the latter, but one poster did try to spin JT's actions in a positive manner as trying to protect his players from jail. With regards to just being around criminal activity, I don't believe that had anything to do with his decision, and if it did makes his actions worse not better.
 
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ORD_Buckeye;1933977; said:
How does his not coming forth with the information possibly protect them from criminal activity? If they were involved with known criminals, one would think the first thing JT or any other responsible person in authority would want would be the institutional power of the university getting involved and getting the proper authorities involved in order to remove those players from the activities and individuals in question--even if it came at the price of their ncaa eligibility. And if they were actually involved in the criminal activity, it would make his decision even worse and would cross over the line into obstruction of justice.

I haven't read anything to indicate the latter, but one poster did try to spin JT's actions in a positive manner as trying to protect his players from jail.
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ha that would be the worst possible scenario....he would be going to federal pound you up the ass prison
 
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ORD_Buckeye;1933977; said:
How does his not coming forth with the information possibly protect them from criminal activity? If they were involved with known criminals, one would think the first thing JT or any other responsible person in authority would want would be the institutional power of the university getting involved and getting the proper authorities involved in order to remove those players from the activities and individuals in question--even if it came at the price of their ncaa eligibility. And if they were actually involved in the criminal activity, it would make his decision even worse and would cross over the line into obstruction of justice.

I haven't read anything to indicate the latter, but one poster did try to spin JT's actions in a positive manner as trying to protect his players from jail. With regards to just being around criminal activity, I don't believe that had anything to do with his decision, and if it did makes his actions worse not better.
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True. I didn't think about it in that way. But this further supports that it was JT's fault, not the kids. Although the kids have their own part of fault in the whole issue against the University. As it stands for the other 9 students, it seems like the article is becoming less and less credible, so I'm all for not blaming them at all.
 
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Until the players are proven guilty, they shouldn't be judged.

This is exactly what is wrong with this entire situation. Allegation after allegation is thrown against the wall by the Dispatch--who, let's face it--can use the increased traffic and advertising revenue. SI and the others jump on board, bringing their own allegations.

When the allegations are disproved, there is no retraction. No apology from the Herbstreit's of the world. The kid's reputation is stained.

The result is that the media is incentivized to destroy people's lives in a media feeding frenzy that grows and grows. Despite the fact that the allegations are disproved, we all have the feeling increasingly that something is terribly wrong.

I think what Grad21 means is that the allegations should be investigated. One of the core principles of the American democracy is that one is innocent until proven guilty. These kids deserve that protection but things have reached a point that all of these allegations need to be investigated.

Right now, all of this seems to be cost free. It's time someone changed the rules of the game. If this SI hack is proven to have put forward inaccurate lies and innuendo, then I think that the University should put its full muscle behind getting SI to retract and the hack to apologize publicly. It will serve as a deterrent in the future.
 
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Coqui;1933973; said:
So guilty until proven innocent is the American way now?
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From a public perception perspective yes, it has been for decades, maybe even forever. I love when people take things out of context. Innocent until proven guilty is a legal institution, these kids aren't in jail or fined waiting to be acquited so all is in line with normalicy.
 
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ORD_Buckeye;1933977; said:
How does his not coming forth with the information possibly protect them from criminal activity? If they were involved with known criminals, one would think the first thing JT or any other responsible person in authority would want would be the institutional power of the university getting involved and getting the proper authorities involved in order to remove those players from the activities and individuals in question--even if it came at the price of their ncaa eligibility. And if they were actually involved in the criminal activity, it would make his decision even worse and would cross over the line into obstruction of justice.

I haven't read anything to indicate the latter, but one poster did try to spin JT's actions in a positive manner as trying to protect his players from jail. With regards to just being around criminal activity, I don't believe that had anything to do with his decision, and if it did makes his actions worse not better.
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Perhaps JT was protecting a former player who, in breaching the confidentiality of an investigation, put his own career in jeopardy.
 
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ORD_Buckeye;1933977; said:
How does his not coming forth with the information possibly protect them from criminal activity? If they were involved with known criminals, one would think the first thing JT or any other responsible person in authority would want would be the institutional power of the university getting involved and getting the proper authorities involved in order to remove those players from the activities and individuals in question--even if it came at the price of their ncaa eligibility. And if they were actually involved in the criminal activity, it would make his decision even worse and would cross over the line into obstruction of justice.

I haven't read anything to indicate the latter, but one poster did try to spin JT's actions in a positive manner as trying to protect his players from jail. With regards to just being around criminal activity, I don't believe that had anything to do with his decision, and if it did makes his actions worse not better.
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Well, I think it's safe to assume JT wasn't trying to hide possible criminal activities from the feds since he became aware of that something might be going on as a result of a federal investigation. Horses and barn doors and all.
 
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