QB/WR Terrelle Pryor ('10 Rose, '11 Sugar MVP)

[SEREbuckeye]

Just so I have this clear? He needs two MORE BCS wins (he already has one)?

I think he just needs to keep working hard and improving and good things will happen. I'm very excited because I saw tremendous improvement between the end of last season and the Rose Bowl. Then we saw another big leap this season. Watch out for his senior season because it might be one to remember. :)

Yes, he needs to win 3 of 4 BCS games to reach legendary status. Im not saying Joe Germaine status, Im talking Les Horvath and T. Smith status. Theres a big difference between being memorable and being unforgettable.

Every year we have said "watch out, next year this kid will be great." To date he has improved each year but at a smaller rate than we (spectators) have billed. This was supposed to be his year but compared to Newton, Mallet, luck, and Moore - he's a distance behind. This isn't a knock on potential, because the kid has that. Unfortunately to be a great college player you gotta play great in college. Back to my example of Joe Germaine. Sure he had great talents, took us to a Rose Bowl victory, had great players around him, but would you consider him a legend? I don't even think I would put Krenzel down as a legend since he only had two full years of starting.

 

[1926Buckeyes]

Every year we have said "watch out, next year this kid will be great." To date he has improved each year but at a smaller rate than we (spectators) have billed.

I agree, and I think it's more of a testament to how raw Pryor was as a passer coming in. From freshman to sophomore you saw some improvement, but you saw a lot of improvement this year as he could be the kind of passer that would consistently put up 200yds and 2 TDs.

A lot of people thought he would morph into a superhero this year, and I had my hopes as well, but it didn't happen. I'm not sure what to expect next year, but I'm interested in seeing if he can possibly crack 3000yds, a lot will depend on his WRs as well.

As far as how he will be seen, I too think that if he can win the Sugar Bowl this year and win another BCS bowl next year, he'll be thought of as good, but not great. He needs either a heisman or an NC to be thought of as great, whether that's fair or not.

No matter what though, after Pryor is done at OSU, I think people will realize just how much he meant to the offense and the team. He has had his poor moments, but players don't just walk in an roll up 3300yds of total offense, especially at a place like OSU where that's only been done twice.

 

[SEREbuckeye]

I agree, and I think it's more of a testament to how raw Pryor was as a passer coming in. From freshman to sophomore you saw some improvement, but you saw a lot of improvement this year as he could be the kind of passer that would consistently put up 200yds and 2 TDs.

A lot of people thought he would morph into a superhero this year, and I had my hopes as well, but it didn't happen. I'm not sure what to expect next year, but I'm interested in seeing if he can possibly crack 3000yds, a lot will depend on his WRs as well.

As far as how he will be seen, I too think that if he can win the Sugar Bowl this year and win another BCS bowl next year, he'll be thought of as good, but not great. He needs either a heisman or an NC to be thought of as great, whether that's fair or not.

No matter what though, after Pryor is done at OSU, I think people will realize just how much he meant to the offense and the team. He has had his poor moments, but players don't just walk in an roll up 3300yds of total offense, especially at a place like OSU where that's only been done twice.

I agree. I think with the recent boom of high school player exposure, we all think these 17 year old kids that have played against average high schoolers that wont play another down of ball can roll into a major university and be great. TP is about as big of an example as you can get as to why football players should never be allowed to enter the NFL with no less than 3 years of college ball under their belt. I think the pundits need to quit focusing on Pryor's faults - leave those up to NFL scouts - and concentrate on his improvements.

 

[jimotis4heisman]

generally speaking lots here, from the herbie stuff to pryors response to all big ten etc tweets.

all that said, one think i believe that cannot be overlooked is the fact that he has seemingly improved every year. additionally this is a kid that still has room for criticism. which some may see as a negative attribute... form me it has more to do at this point with that ive seen his improvement and seen what the staff has done with players. id be more disappointed if after a dozen games i had felt a kid had peaked, this is not the case. lets continue to hope that terrelle puts the work in the film room, on the practice field, etc. i also think it should be noted that some of the "leadership" commentary is very valid, i would like to see him 1- reach out to some previous "leaders" to address this issue 2-acknowledge within the group the previous issues/shortcomings and most importantly 3-strive to become a positive leader not only in regard to himself but his teammates.

all things aside, i think that what we have seen has helped develop the kid for the next level, minimized some of the contact/punishment he has taken (see the opposite of denard) and driven pryor to be a better qb/person.

 

[WolverineMike]

all things aside, i think that what we have seen has helped develop the kid for the next level, minimized some of the contact/punishment he has taken (see the opposite of denard) and driven pryor to be a better qb/person.

great point. I'd love to see Denard follow TP's lead there and try to minimize the contact. Of course that's hard when you're running it 25 times a game.


Can't wait to see who osu matches up with in the bowl games. TP had a great game vs Oregon last year. It's always fun to see how guys match up with different opponents.

 

[Saw31]

all things aside, i think that what we have seen has helped develop the kid for the next level, minimized some of the contact/punishment he has taken (see the opposite of denard) and driven pryor to be a better qb/person.

That's a great point. I seem to remember some fans wanting him to lower his shoulder every run and try to truck a LB. Hell no! He's the QB. Get your yards and get down or out of bounds...

 

[Tlangs]

As far as how he will be seen, I too think that if he can win the Sugar Bowl this year and win another BCS bowl next year, he'll be thought of as good, but not great. He needs either a heisman or an NC to be thought of as great, whether that's fair or not.

Assuming we win a BCS game next year, I will make the assumption that we are Big 10 champs, since it seems as if the conf championship game loser gets left out of the BCS. So TP will win 4 big ten titles, 4 wins over Michigan, 3 BCS games, all time leader in yardage, all time leading passer and he will be looked at as good not great?!?!?!?

Maybe the college football world is right, Ohio State fans are idiots.

 

[SEREbuckeye]

Assuming we win a BCS game next year, I will make the assumption that we are Big 10 champs, since it seems as if the conf championship game loser gets left out of the BCS. So TP will win 4 big ten titles, 4 wins over Michigan, 3 BCS games, all time leader in yardage, all time leading passer and he will be looked at as good not great?!?!?!?

Maybe the college football world is right, Ohio State fans are idiots.

Man if we break down accolades of each and every QB that has come through OSU we would consider every QB we have had great:

Todd Boeckman:
- Beat Michigan twice
- First team All-Big Ten
- Conference Champ
- Led team to an NC Appearance

Troy Smith:
- Self Explanatory

Craig Krenzel:
- 3 Time BCS Appearance (2 wins)
- Led an undefeated time in 2002
- NT winner
- Draddy Award winner
- 3-Time All Big Ten
- 24-3 as a starter
- Numerous other post-season awards

So, already in the 2000's you are ready to say that we have had 3 (Pryor, Smith, Krenzel) "great" QB's? Man, if this is the case we would look back at every QB and think all of them were "great" because of accolades and records.

Saying Pryor is going down as one of OSU's "great" QB's as of now is basically denouncing our criteria for greatness.

Bottom line - Pryor has done the things EVERY OSU QB is brought in to do:

Beat Michigan
Win the Big Ten
Take us to a BCS bowl (and win)
Put us into contention for a National Title

These are the expectations, not something that make you great, we're not TCU.

 

[Bill Lucas]

God, our fan base is spoiled.

Back to Terrelle Pryor.

 

[BB73]

Saying Pryor is going down as one of OSU's "great" QB's as of now is basically denouncing our criteria for greatness.

Bottom line - Pryor has done the things EVERY OSU QB is brought in to do:

Beat Michigan
Win the Big Ten
Take us to a BCS bowl (and win)
Put us into contention for a National Title

These are the expectations, not something that make you great, we're not TCU.

I see. He's 30-4 as a starter, and has already led the team to 3 wins over TSUN and 3 BCS Bowl appearances (3rd one will be announced tomorrow).

He'll most likely end up with the career passing yardage, career rushing yards by a QB, career TD passes, and career total offense marks.

tOSU is not TCU, but if he beats TSUN and gets the team to another BCS bowl next year, to not consider him among the all-time great QBs at tOSU sets a ridiculous standard.

Do me a favor and come up with the name of a starting QB that led his team to 4 BCS Bowls, for any team in the country. And Matt Leinart doesn't get credit for the 2003 Orange Bowl, that was Carson Palmer's team.

BTW, Krenzel only played in 2 BCS Bowl games.

 

[Saw31]

Do me a favor and come up with the name of a starting QB that led his team to 4 BCS Bowls, for any team in the country. And Matt Leinart doesn't get credit for the 2003 Orange Bowl, that was Carson Palmer's team.

BTW, Krenzel only played in 2 BCS Bowl games.

Ron Powlas?

 

[BB73]

Ron Powlas?

Nope - he won 4 Heismans, but didn't make a BCS Bowl each year.

 

[scarletngray]

I see. He's 30-4 as a starter, and has already led the team to 3 wins over TSUN and 3 BCS Bowl appearances (3rd one will be announced tomorrow).

He'll most likely end up with the career passing yardage, career rushing yards by a QB, career TD passes, and career total offense marks.

tOSU is not TCU, but if he beats TSUN and gets the team to another BCS bowl next year, to not consider him among the all-time great QBs at tOSU sets a ridiculous standard.

Do me a favor and come up with the name of a starting QB that led his team to 4 BCS Bowls, for any team in the country. And Matt Leinart doesn't get credit for the 2003 Orange Bowl, that was Carson Palmer's team.

BTW, Krenzel only played in 2 BCS Bowl games.

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[Buckeye Maniac]

I see. He's 30-4 as a starter, and has already led the team to 3 wins over TSUN and 3 BCS Bowl appearances (3rd one will be announced tomorrow).

He'll most likely end up with the career passing yardage, career rushing yards by a QB, career TD passes, and career total offense marks.

tOSU is not TCU, but if he beats TSUN and gets the team to another BCS bowl next year, to not consider him among the all-time great QBs at tOSU sets a ridiculous standard.

Do me a favor and come up with the name of a starting QB that led his team to 4 BCS Bowls, for any team in the country. And Matt Leinart doesn't get credit for the 2003 Orange Bowl, that was Carson Palmer's team.

BTW, Krenzel only played in 2 BCS Bowl games.

He doesn't get credit for the 2005 Orange Bowl either.

 

[jimotis4heisman]

I see. He's 30-4 as a starter, and has already led the team to 3 wins over TSUN and 3 BCS Bowl appearances (3rd one will be announced tomorrow).

He'll most likely end up with the career passing yardage, career rushing yards by a QB, career TD passes, and career total offense marks.

tOSU is not TCU, but if he beats TSUN and gets the team to another BCS bowl next year, to not consider him among the all-time great QBs at tOSU sets a ridiculous standard.

Do me a favor and come up with the name of a starting QB that led his team to 4 BCS Bowls, for any team in the country. And Matt Leinart doesn't get credit for the 2003 Orange Bowl, that was Carson Palmer's team.

BTW, Krenzel only played in 2 BCS Bowl games.

who knows, history judges. lots of "great" players i never thought were really that good... lots of amazing players receive little or historic acclaim. all that said, he likely fits in the group of guys that if you were lucky enough to see in person, youll end up telling your grand kids about(or they will ask you, "did you ever seee X Y play?")... [unless you are one of the old farts who already has grand kids]