QB/WR Terrelle Pryor ('10 Rose, '11 Sugar MVP)

[Bill Lucas]

Since this has been a matter of debate for a while, i.e., the similarities between Vince Young and Terrelle Pryor and their progression at playing QB at the college level, I was struck by the similarity of their stats as passers in their respective sophomore years. BTW, both of them at this point in time in their careers were being questioned about their ability to pass the football by their respective fans....

the tale of the tape.....

Both of them came in being ranked #1 QB on by scout.

In their sophomore years they were/are.....

Vince Young (6-5, 225 lbs)....Terrelle Pryor (6-6, 235 lbs)

Vince Young's stats as a sophomore.....

Passing: 148/ 250 (59.2%) Avg:7.4 TD/INT : 12/11 Rating: 128.37

Terrelle's stats thus far....

Passing: 89/ 159 (56%) Avg:7.35 TD/INT : 18/8 Rating: 128.42

Hmm.....just found that comparison interesting. Obviously there were some differences in how they got to this point, such as TP playing in his freshman year and Vince did not. But, I am very hopeful that TP will impact the world of college football in much the same way as Vince Young did or maybe even surpass him.

Thanks for putting this together.

However, it should be noted that Vince Young was reshirted as a freshman and the sophomore year you used for comparison was his 3rd year in the Texas system. Terrelle Pryor is way ahead of Vince Young in his progression as a true sophomore.

 

[Bill Lucas]

point two...

NFL QB's that succeed (as said before) look like robots due to reads and slight movements. Tom Brady doesn't run all over, Peyton manning looks like a freaking stiff back there, Big Ben makes reads and pumps then fires, Eli is a less mechanical version of his brother. Watch these guys play... they look like robots because reps turn into habits that create success. Watching film turns you into a read junkie

I can't agree with the "robot" statement about these quarterbacks. Peyton Manning reads a defense better than any quarterback I've ever seen. His mind is processing defenses at a rate we can only admire.

Brady doesn't have to run. He goes through progressions as well as any pro in the game.

 

[Buckeneye]

Brady doesn't have to run. Defenders get a personal foul every time you get near him

fixed.

 

[BrutusBobcat]

There are millions of reasons to stay and become a first day pick rather than a second. NFL GMs are getting wary that QBs coming out early are simply not ready, and that a lot of "project" QBs aren't making the grade. You can only point to Mark Sanchez as a junior who came out early, and he's hardly lighting the league on fire, starting more out of necessity than actually being ready.

Some other recent high draftees who are bigger projects than expected:

Jamarcus Russell
Vince Young
Matt Leinert
Brady Quinn

Recent high picks who have done well, or who are at least starting:

Aaron Rodgers
Matt Ryan
Jay Cutler
Joe Flacco

You have to go to 2004 to see a draft where the top 3 QBs all turned out:

Eli Manning
Phillip Rivers
Ben Roethlisberger

It looks like the only non-first rounders from the past five years of NFL drafts who are starting anywhere are:

Kyle Orton
Trent Edwards
Derek Anderson

So, if you want to start in the NFL, you need to do a few things. First, play as many reps as possible in college, meaning all four years. Second, get drafted in the top 10-12 spots. Third, be a drop back passer who can read defenses and finally, play for a less prominent BCS conference program, it appears :(. Of my list, only Big Ben and Flacco played outside of a BCS conference. Anderson played at Oregon State, Edwards at Stanford, Orton at Purdue, Rivers at NC State, Manning at Ole Miss, Cutler at Vanderbilt, Ryan at BC, and Rodgers at Cal. The "projects" came from USC, Texas, LSU and Notre Dame.

Of further note, the programs that produced the starters were pass-oriented, but not a gimmick offense, and none of those QBs in college were considered to be a significant running threat.

If Pryor is getting any decent advice at all, and I think he is and will, he'll stay for a full four years and continue to develop as a passer. He knows that's what he has to do to reach his goals.

 

[cbrian815]

There are millions of reasons to stay and become a first day pick rather than a second. NFL GMs are getting wary that QBs coming out early are simply not ready, and that a lot of "project" QBs aren't making the grade. You can only point to Mark Sanchez as a junior who came out early, and he's hardly lighting the league on fire, starting more out of necessity than actually being ready.

Some other recent high draftees who are bigger projects than expected:

Jamarcus Russell
Vince Young
Matt Leinert
Brady Quinn

Recent high picks who have done well, or who are at least starting:

Aaron Rodgers
Matt Ryan
Jay Cutler
Joe Flacco

You have to go to 2004 to see a draft where the top 3 QBs all turned out:

Eli Manning
Phillip Rivers
Ben Roethlisberger

It looks like the only non-first rounders from the past five years of NFL drafts who are starting anywhere are:

Kyle Orton
Trent Edwards
Derek Anderson

So, if you want to start in the NFL, you need to do a few things. First, play as many reps as possible in college, meaning all four years. Second, get drafted in the top 10-12 spots. Third, be a drop back passer who can read defenses and finally, play for a less prominent BCS conference program, it appears :(. Of my list, only Big Ben and Flacco played outside of a BCS conference. Anderson played at Oregon State, Edwards at Stanford, Orton at Purdue, Rivers at NC State, Manning at Ole Miss, Cutler at Vanderbilt, Ryan at BC, and Rodgers at Cal. The "projects" came from USC, Texas, LSU and Notre Dame.

Of further note, the programs that produced the starters were pass-oriented, but not a gimmick offense, and none of those QBs in college were considered to be a significant running threat.

If Pryor is getting any decent advice at all, and I think he is and will, he'll stay for a full four years and continue to develop as a passer. He knows that's what he has to do to reach his goals.

Henne is starting for Miami and it proves your point. Play in a pro style offense for 4 years in college and throw lots of balls. Parcell`s formula for drafting a qb is to win X amount of games while in college playing qb. These guys need reps to make it to the league. Go Bucks

 

[MaxBuck]

You have to go to 2004 to see a draft where the top 3 QBs all turned out:

Eli Manning
Phillip Rivers
Ben Roethlisberger

It looks like the only non-first rounders from the past five years of NFL drafts who are starting anywhere are:

Kyle Orton
Trent Edwards
Derek Anderson

Matt Schaub was picked in the 3rd round in 2004. What a great draft for QBs.

 

[ttk]

I think there is more to it than that. USC hasn't exactly looked unbeatable this year - definately not like the hype before we played them.

Maybe I'm reading this wrong, but USC looked plenty beatable before you played them.

USC was going into this year with a true freshman QB, the first one that has ever started at USC. They were going having just lost their offensive and defensive coordinators to Washington. They were missing their one deep threat receiver due to injury.

Everybody before this season said this was the year the Trojans rebuild and not reload like usual. Everybody said they were beatable.

 

[morbitzerker]

The Huskies agree...

 

[Mike80]

Maybe I'm reading this wrong, but USC looked plenty beatable before you played them.

Yeah you read that one wrong. What was the hype before the OSU-USC game? That Ohio State was going to be "romped" by USC and their poser-mobile wannabe "fans" who have only been fans since 2003 said nothing BUT that.

Please note that isn't you or Methomps. But it is guys like the one who signed up as the name of your ILB (Galippo??) and acted like a douchenozzle.

USC was going into this year with a true freshman QB, the first one that has ever started at USC. They were going having just lost their offensive and defensive coordinators to Washington. They were missing their one deep threat receiver due to injury.

Everybody before this season said this was the year the Trojans rebuild and not reload like usual. Everybody said they were beatable.

That is most assuredly NOT what the vast majority of the anal-ysts were saying going into the game in Columbus.

 

[Steve19]

Are you guys seeing the comments Devier Posey supposedly made about Terrell Pryor? SportsCenter is on in the other room and I heard them quoting Posey. I didn't hear the whole piece, but apparently Posey said "there is only one Tim Tebow...I don't know what Ohio State fans expect...he will get better...he couldn't get worse."

Is that an accurate quote?

 

[Mike80]

Are you guys seeing the comments Devier Posey supposedly made about Terrell Pryor? SportsCenter is on in the other room and I heard them quoting Posey. I didn't hear the whole piece, but apparently Posey said "there is only one Tim Tebow...I don't know what Ohio State fans expect...he will get better...he couldn't get worse."

Is that an accurate quote?

I know the harpies at ESPN are jumping on this quote (as was that idiot Jim Rome), but I honestly think it's a case of the kid saying something that didn't quite come out the way he wanted it too.

I hope.

 

[MaxBuck]

Are you guys seeing the comments Devier Posey supposedly made about Terrell Pryor? SportsCenter is on in the other room and I heard them quoting Posey. I didn't hear the whole piece, but apparently Posey said "there is only one Tim Tebow...I don't know what Ohio State fans expect...he will get better...he couldn't get worse."

Is that an accurate quote?

It is, but based on the context DeVier clearly did not mean it to be an insulting comment; poor choice of words.

 

[OregonBuckeye]

Are you guys seeing the comments Devier Posey supposedly made about Terrell Pryor? SportsCenter is on in the other room and I heard them quoting Posey. I didn't hear the whole piece, but apparently Posey said "there is only one Tim Tebow...I don't know what Ohio State fans expect...he will get better...he couldn't get worse."

Is that an accurate quote?

Watch the vid on the-ozone. It has the quote. It's just a friend speaking about another friend.

 

[TooTall]

The closer we get to game day, the more I feel like Pryor will have this chip on his shoulder and completely GASH the Gophers both in the run game and the pass game. All this bashing of Pryor and the Buckeyes by the media is only adding fuel to the fire. I'm excited to see what kind of offense we see tomorrow!

 

[Zander42]

Honestly, I liked Posey's comments. He comes across to me like he's becoming a natural leader, something really needed on the offensive side of the ball. The quote is accurate, but it isn't malicious. Actually it's pretty true, I'm sure even Terrelle, the coaches, and certainly the fans would agree that, with his athletic ability, he can't get much worse. It is what it is.