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QB/WR Terrelle Pryor ('10 Rose, '11 Sugar MVP)

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billmac91;1570767; said:
My $50,000 question is...does TP not take the 5 or 6 yards by turning the ball upfield b/c he wants to bounce it and make a huge play OR because he hates contact?
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Actually, I did see one sign of progress in Terrelle yesterday: he hung in the pocket and took the big hit on the last TD pass to Posey. He looked like a real QB on that play.
 
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billmac91;1570767; said:
My $50,000 question is...does TP not take the 5 or 6 yards by turning the ball upfield b/c he wants to bounce it and make a huge play OR because he hates contact? I can see arguments for both sides quite easily.

The only time he took the inside lane on the option is when he had the speed to hit the seam without a Purdue body in sight. Every other time he held the ball too long and continued down the LOS even when a hole was there too turn up for posiive yards.

BTW...that also hurts the OL. They did their jobs several times by creating those holes, but Terrelle didn't execute, and it leaves 2nd or 3rd and long and the defense gets to pin their ears back.
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This is interesting. He certainly looks indecisive at the LOS. Based on the times that I've seen him almost stop in his tracks at the site of a defender, it sure looks like he's afraid of contact. But I guess only he can answer that question for you. :)

I don't think we've ever really gotten to see his cutback ability. He's a big guy, so I don't expect him to cut into the whole like Jordan Hall, but still...

So I think the the $50,000 question is...he's not a great passer yet and he doesn't run the option well, so if you're JT, what is the best way for this kid to succeed and help our offense be effective moving the ball? What type of offense really suits TPs abilities best?
 
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MaxBuck;1570783; said:
Actually, I did see one sign of progress in Terrelle yesterday: he hung in the pocket and took the big hit on the last TD pass to Posey. He looked like a real QB on that play.
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He did hang in there.

On the flip side, that wasn't a good pass. Another pass that was just flung out there. Those have ended up as INTs as much as completions. So, while I agree that it's great that he hung in there, his decisions are not good and his throws are not precise under pressure. I'm sure they'll keep working on it...let's hope he moves forward.
 
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scarletngray;1568336; said:
There must be little things that the coaches are picking up on that give them cause to be optimistic. A BIG thing is that they both say that Pryor is a good listener, studies hard and works hard to improve. That WILL go along way, in time.

Right now it is hot or cold with TP. Some of it is mechanics, some of it is decision making, and some of it is things beyond his control, a bad play call or a break down in blocking, bad route running, etc.

Concerning the third issue, the coaches need to detect, at an early stage in the game, what the Defense is giving TP, and call plays that will contribute to his success and the Offense moving the chains. It all begins with the coaches putting TP in a position to be successful. I'm not as negative about the play calling as some people are, but there has certainly been a number of occasions when a better play call could have made all the difference in moving the chains.

Concerning the last issue, the OL, RB's and WR's must also do all they can to insure that TP is successful. A successful TP = A successful Offense = A WIN. Everyone on Offense needs to read the Defense properly and execute properly. Break downs along the line or among the receiving corp places TP in a position that when his instincts take over, he often makes a big play with his legs. But he also tends to panic and will force a throw or take a sack when he could have thrown the ball away. The other 10 guys also need to be consistent and that has not always been the case.

Concerning mechanics and decision making, those things will come as TP continues to work on his craft. A special, naturally gifted athlete, can sometimes forget the fundamentals and revert back to his athleticism, and TP has certainly been guilty of that. The great thing is that when everything has fallen into place, i.e. a good play call, execution by the other 10 guys and good decision making and mechanics by TP, we have seen that our Offense can move up and down the field extremely well. TP has made some phenomenal throws this year, that imo, he could not have made, and would not have made, last year.

One thing that should never be forgotten in this equation is the heart of TP and his deep determination to succeed at a high level. Those who question his heart or his mental toughness, have no idea what they are talking about. The guy is a warrior and he is bound and determined to succeed as a pocket passer.

Good things come to those who wait. One day, either at practice or maybe in the fourth quarter of a hard fought game, the light is going to turn on, things are going to fall into place, and the Buckeye Nation is going to witness a beautiful transformation that will be well worth the wait.....

:osu:
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In the above quote I listed a few things that I think need to fall into place if TP is going to be a very good QB, which will result in a pretty good Offense. Unfortunately, yesterday's game was a perfect example of none of the things happening, that need to happen, in order to make TP successful.

First, the OL did not put TP in a position to be successful due to the 5 or 6? false start penalties that occurred. That's 5 or 6 times TP was placed in a difficult situation, that also resulted in Purdue being able to pin back their ears and send everything but the kitchen sink. It seems like there continues to be mental breakdowns along the OL that need corrected if our Offense is going to be effective. The OL also failed to make adjustments to stop the blitz, which resulted in two TP fumbles.

Second, it took the coaching staff up until the 4th Quarter to make the adjustments on Offense that resulted in moving the ball. Too little, too late. Adjustments seem to be slow in coming. Until that changes the Offense will continue to struggle. Perhaps starting with 4 or 5 wide outs and running a kind of hurry up Offense might help in keeping the Defense off balance and preventing them from loaded the box.

Third, TP's mechanics and decision making was as bad as I've seen. He often threw into coverage (2 INT's - could have been more) and often threw the ball while falling backwards, or not having his feet properly set. He also continues to throw into coverage when he should take off down the field. The Carter INT is a perfect example of making a bad decision.

If you read the quoted post above, you know that I still have hope for TP and think that we can field a solid Offense. However, yesterday's game should cause coaches and players alike, to either point fingers, or come together and resolve to fix the problems that are currently hamstringing the Offense.

Here's hoping that the team will come together, and that in the long run, this painful experience will cause them to rise to the occassion.

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Without contradicting any criticisms of Terrelle as voiced above, nearly every QB in history (even Saint Thomas of Brady) has struggled when he's had no time at all to throw. The OL has developed a bad habit of allowing opposing teams to get to Pryor so early as to ruin his mechanics. It's easy to be tempted to throw off your back foot when a D-end is 3 feet in front of you.
 
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scarletngray;1570943; said:
Second, it took the coaching staff up until the 4th Quarter to make the adjustments on Offense that resulted in moving the ball. Too little, too late. Adjustments seem to be slow in coming. Until that changes the Offense will continue to struggle. Perhaps starting with 4 or 5 wide outs and running a kind of hurry up Offense might help in keeping the Defense off balance and preventing them from loaded the box.
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I'd say it was more of Purdue's shift in defensive scheme than a change in OSU's offense.
 
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I'm really not sure why, but it seems to me like Terrelle's play and decision making has gotten worse every game this season. It's like he's moving backwards instead of making progress. I don't know if it's coaching, a mental thing, or what, but it's confusing as hell to me.
 
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ScarletInMyVeins;1570972; said:
I'm really not sure why, but it seems to me like Terrelle's play and decision making has gotten worse every game this season. It's like he's moving backwards instead of making progress. I don't know if it's coaching, a mental thing, or what, but it's confusing as hell to me.
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Agreed. His ball handling and security has been awful lately. You don't want to completely stifle his ability to create, but he has crossed the line from playmaking to reckless.
 
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I know the coaches have to be in his ear all the time about throwing the ball away, or just pulling it down and getting 3 yards. But he still seems to just throw it up when he is in trouble.

I know he is young and the O-line is not helping him out any. But at some point he has to realize that trowing the ball down field into double coverage is not acceptable. Until he protects the ball more carefully we will continue to lose games. Like it or not TP, the team lives or dies with you.
 
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MaxBuck;1570783; said:
Actually, I did see one sign of progress in Terrelle yesterday: he hung in the pocket and took the big hit on the last TD pass to Posey. He looked like a real QB on that play.
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Was that the play where he lofted it up and it could have gone to either Carter and Posey? If that is the one you are talking about, that should have been picked off. That was a bad throw.
 
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