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QB/WR Braxton Miller (B1G POY, National Champion, OSU HOF)

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pnuts34 said:
True, he does have a history of injuries, but it's football. Injuries will happen. His biggest concern has to be that he's not a very good QB, good-great athlete, yes, but not a good QB. And he'll be drafted as a QB in the NFL, unless he wants to take the Ryan McNeal, Matt jones, Antwan randle-el, hairlice Robinson, route of QB turned WR. He had some pretty terrible games against bad competition and our fan base made excuses about weather when opposing QBs threw for a ton of yards(I.e. Illinois, wisky, scUM, MSU) in the same conditions. It's not out of the realm of possibility for him to make a Troy smith like senior leap, and he'll need it if he wants to get drafted in the first 3 rounds. Hes more like a 5-6 rounder now and that's only based off of athleticism and how coaches could use him in certain packages, but he wouldn't be a true QB that a coach looks at to lead his team, even as a backup. He's just too much of a risk right now, a one legged Gardner outclassed him in The Game if you base it just on passing. Those same long runs won't be happening as often in the nfl, ask cam newton, rg3, TP, and a number of dual threat college QBs who quickly had to learn that's not going to happen in the league. I hope Braxton returns, for our sake and his, because he's in for a rude awakening if he bolts now. Get another year of seAsoning and coaching, it'll only help in the long run from a football standpoint.
Now if he NEEDS the money for family issues, that's a different discussion all together...
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People keep drafting these dual threat guys that are stars in college. It doesn't work in the NFL. If helps out from time to time, but I think most coaches have determined that it's not worth the risk of potential injury. Job of the quarterback is to manage the offense, read the defense, find the right receiver and pass the ball. Running... that's what a tailback is for.
 
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TampaBuckeyes said:
People keep drafting these dual threat guys that are stars in college. It doesn't work in the NFL. If helps out from time to time, but I think most coaches have determined that it's not worth the risk of potential injury. Job of the quarterback is to manage the offense, read the defense, find the right receiver and pass the ball. Running... that's what a tailback is for.
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I think the Seattle Seahawks might disagree with you right about now. As would the San Francisco 49ers. As would the Carolina Panthers. All these will be playoff teams.
 
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All whom hang their hats on defense - not their elite QB's moving the ball.

Carolina offense has been painful to watch at times. Just look at what happened in New Orleans.

Russell Wilson I consider more of a traditional pocket passer that has mobility. Kaepernick on the other hand, he has spurts of wild inaccuracy that will cost his team dearly.
 
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Buckeneye said:
All whom hang their hats on defense - not their elite QB's moving the ball.

Carolina offense has been painful to watch at times. Just look at what happened in New Orleans.

Russell Wilson I consider more of a traditional pocket passer that has mobility. Kaepernick on the other hand, he has spurts of wild inaccuracy that will cost his team dearly.
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Your points are valid. But so is the point that one of the most immobile of QBs, Eli Manning, has been dreadful lately. We're talking good vs. bad QBs, and they fall into both the "mobile" and "statuesque" varieties. But the good ones will be valued whether they bring a running component or not.

People talk as though mobile QBs are a new thing, but Fran Tarkenton, Greg Landry, Steve Young and Randall Cunningham (among many others) prove this to be false.
 
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MaxBuck said:
Your points are valid. But so is the point that one of the most immobile of QBs, Eli Manning, has been dreadful lately. We're talking good vs. bad QBs, and they fall into both the "mobile" and "statuesque" varieties. But the good ones will be valued whether they bring a running component or not.

People talk as though mobile QBs are a new thing, but Fran Tarkenton, Greg Landry, Steve Young and Randall Cunningham (among many others) prove this to be false.
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Out of the greats you mentioned, wasn't Steve young the only one to win a super bowl? Steve onlyhad 4 of 12 seasons with more than 400 rushing yards, so he wasnt as mobile as many believe. and Randall choked in big games in Philly, his arguably best season was with Minnesota, and he was a pocket QB at that point.
Just about every true scrambling QB in college, knows in the NFL they must try and work more in the pocket. Mike Vick had a nice run trying to do what he did in college in the nfl, And it worked until he'd get to the playoffs and face elite defenses who schemed against him running. To be a successful QB in the NFL you must be very Accurate, and you can't rely on your legs. TP found that out the hard way this year, cam is still trying to get over the hump and knows he must improve as a pure passer, as does Colin kaepernick, who got to the super bowl partly on the shoulders of Alex smith's success. RG3 is irrelevant this year because he can't run, and towards the end of last year teams started to figure out to stop his legs and force him to pass. Braxton is just not at an NFL level as a QB, he's not even among the young QBs mentioned.
 
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I know some people want to point at the "millions" of dollars available for people like Braxton, but if you really look into it, those amounts are few and far between. NFL money isn't guaranteed unless there's a signing bonus. If you're cut tomorrow, you're simply unemployed. There's no guarantee that Brax will stay healthy enough next season to have the break out passing year that we all invision but if he can, his guaranteed money goes up a great deal with an earlier draft pick. Not to mention, he'll have his degree to fall back on and not have to pay for a year of college out of his own pocket should the NFL not work out for him.

I'm biased, absolutely, but I have no problem being objective here when it comes to Miller's next level abilities. Stay in school. Take out the insurance policy if you think it's necessary and feasible. Earn that guaranteed money next year. One big hit, regardless of which level, and it could be all over. No way to tell where it might happen.
 
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pnuts34 said:
Out of the greats you mentioned, wasn't Steve young the only one to win a super bowl? Steve onlyhad 4 of 12 seasons with more than 400 rushing yards, so he wasnt as mobile as many believe. and Randall choked in big games in Philly, his arguably best season was with Minnesota, and he was a pocket QB at that point.
Just about every true scrambling QB in college, knows in the NFL they must try and work more in the pocket. Mike Vick had a nice run trying to do what he did in college in the nfl, And it worked until he'd get to the playoffs and face elite defenses who schemed against him running. To be a successful QB in the NFL you must be very Accurate, and you can't rely on your legs. TP found that out the hard way this year, cam is still trying to get over the hump and knows he must improve as a pure passer, as does Colin kaepernick, who got to the super bowl partly on the shoulders of Alex smith's success. RG3 is irrelevant this year because he can't run, and towards the end of last year teams started to figure out to stop his legs and force him to pass. Braxton is just not at an NFL level as a QB, he's not even among the young QBs mentioned.
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I'm certainly not arguing for Miller to leave now; simply pointing out that running quarterbacks have been with us in the NFL for quite awhile. But in order to be successful, they need to be able to pass better and more consistently than Brax is able to right now (and for that matter, better than Manziel).

BTW, Andrew Luck is a lot more mobile and a better runner than most give him credit for. He may ultimately be, along with Russell Wilson, the real prototype.
 
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MaxBuck said:
I'm certainly not arguing for Miller to leave now; simply pointing out that running quarterbacks have been with us in the NFL for quite awhile. But in order to be successful, they need to be able to pass better and more consistently than Brax is able to right now (and for that matter, better than Manziel).

BTW, Andrew Luck is a lot more mobile and a better runner than most give him credit for. He may ultimately be, along with Russell Wilson, the real prototype.
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Andrew luck and Russell Wilson remind me of what Steve young and John elway did back in the day. They were great pocket passers, but could move the chains with their legs if need be. Neither is a statue pocket QB in the mold of Peyton manning or Tom Brady, or in the past of joe Montana, Dan fouts, or Phil Simms. This could in time be the prototype, but not just yet. As a statue won the super bowl last year and another won 2 straight NCs for Alabama.
 
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Bestbuck36 said:
Stay in school. Take out the insurance policy if you think it's necessary and feasible. Earn that guaranteed money next year. One big hit, regardless of which level, and it could be all over. No way to tell where it might happen.
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Been of big fan of the insurance since I heard about it in '03 when McGahee had one at the time he was injured in the NC game. Just looked it up

http://espn.go.com/sportsbusiness/news/2003/0106/1488252.html

Sadly, it turns out such insurance is monstrously expensive. 5-figures per million of insurance, more or less. So, for the poorest kids with the least aside-from-football prospects, it would normally be out of reach.
 
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pnuts34 said:
Montana had 284yds as his highest season rushing total, and he never rushed for more than 3tds... Not very mobile
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Don't know if you were old enough to have watched him in the 80s, but he moved well. Kept plays alive with his feet and rolled out a lot before throwing. They didn't do designed rushing plays for QBs much then and he didn't have to scramble a lot. Not saying he was Cunningham or Vick, but he could move much better than a Manning, Marino, or Brady type of QB. Tarkenton maxed out at 376 yards (430 if exrtapolated to a 16 game season) and nobody would say he wasn't mobile.
 
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LostLassie said:
Been of big fan of the insurance since I heard about it in '03 when McGahee had one at the time he was injured in the NC game. Just looked it up

http://espn.go.com/sportsbusiness/news/2003/0106/1488252.html

Sadly, it turns out such insurance is monstrously expensive. 5-figures per million of insurance, more or less. So, for the poorest kids with the least aside-from-football prospects, it would normally be out of reach.
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I believe loans are made available to the families, and are granted on potential future earnings.
 
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pnuts34 said:
Andrew luck and Russell Wilson remind me of what Steve young and John elway did back in the day. They were great pocket passers, but could move the chains with their legs if need be. Neither is a statue pocket QB in the mold of Peyton manning or Tom Brady, or in the past of joe Montana, Dan fouts, or Phil Simms. This could in time be the prototype, but not just yet. As a statue won the super bowl last year and another won 2 straight NCs for Alabama.
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There is a difference between dual-threat guys like Braxton and guys that are passers that can run if needed. A guy needs to be able to run and get that first down a few times a day. But guys like Braxton and Mariota and Johnny are great college quarterbacks because their running makes up for their passing inefficiencies. I'm saying guys like that don't work in the NFL. They keep trying with that, but it doesn't work. Need to have a guy that pass, that is a must, then if they can run a little that's just a bonus. Brax needs to spend a year getting his passing game up the NFL draftable standards. Right now he'd just be drafted for his running skills and that won't last long in the NFL.
 
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