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QB/WR Braxton Miller (B1G POY, National Champion, OSU HOF)

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Something I don't understand:

  • We have Block O in the 4th year of their career.
  • We have a uniquely elusive quarterback.
  • Said quarterback showed good vision and awareness in high school.
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  • Ohio State STILL gets off fewer pass attempts per sack than any other FBS school. OSU is sacked once for every 5.75 attempts. Army is second to last with one sack for every 7.11 attempts.
  • 93 FBS teams have more than twice as many attempts per sack as Ohio State. Ninety Three.
 
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DaddyBigBucks;2032293; said:
Something I don't understand:

  • We have Block O in the 4th year of their career.
  • We have a uniquely elusive quarterback.
  • Said quarterback showed good vision and awareness in high school.
and yet
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  • Ohio State STILL gets off fewer pass attempts per sack than any other FBS school. OSU is sacked once for every 5.75 attempts. Army is second to last with one sack for every 7.11 attempts.
  • 93 FBS teams have more than twice as many attempts per sack as Ohio State. Ninety Three.
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I know your post was largely rhetorical, but two words in response: Jim. Bollman.
 
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BearBuck27;2032301; said:
Freshman quarterback throwing to freshman receivers.
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So do we simplify the passing game and allow them to grow into the system? Nope, we're teaching them like they are in the NFL already because that is where we want them to be.

For what we ask our wideouts to do, you see go to the NFL a lot of times because they're probably in the long run going to be a little NFL ready because it has to come down to how they run their routes, read their coverage, do the thing at the next level, as opposed to being out there four and five wide, finding the open spot. Does that take a little bit longer to learn? Probably a little more difficult thing for the quarterback as well.
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Who is to blame for that?

BearBuck27;2032301; said:
QB doesn't yet have great vision of the field
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So we turn his back to the field by running play action fakes constantly. Who is to blame for that?

BearBuck27;2032301; said:
and receivers can't get off their coverage
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So we run complicated routes 15-20 yards down the field that take a long time to develop. There is a thing called a three step drop and a slant pattern, but you wouldn't know it watching our offense. Who is the blame for that?
 
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BearBuck27;2032301; said:
Freshman quarterback throwing to freshman receivers. QB doesn't yet have great vision of the field and receivers can't get off their coverage. Braxton has taken a lot of poor sacks.
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Part of it to be sure, but not quite that simple. When the 2 or 3 receivers going out are all running some deep vertical route, there will be issues regardless. Need routes on different levels.

I swear, the offense I run for my 5th and 6th grade football team is more varied. I always (well except when I run a screen or quick pop pass) have receivers on 2 levels and from day 1 coach the QB to look long then short.
 
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BearBuck27;2032301; said:
Freshman quarterback throwing to freshman receivers. QB doesn't yet have great vision of the field and receivers can't get off their coverage. Braxton has taken a lot of poor sacks.
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Fine. Then explain why even lowly Indiana isn't this bad, despite their OL lacking a single player who'd make OSU's two deep.

Maybe Kevin Wilson's offensive staff has a clue.
 
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DaddyBigBucks;2032293; said:
  • We have Block O in the 4th year of their career.
  • Ohio State STILL gets off fewer pass attempts per sack than any other FBS school. OSU is sacked once for every 5.75 attempts. Army is second to last with one sack for every 7.11 attempts.
  • 93 FBS teams have more than twice as many attempts per sack as Ohio State. Ninety Three.
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When Indiana gets nine sacks, Block O isn't what it was supposed to be...
 
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MililaniBuckeye;2032646; said:
When Indiana gets nine sacks, Block O isn't what it was supposed to be...
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This is true, even when Indiana gets 6 sacks. It was MSU that got 9, and both were season-highs for the respective opponent.

For the last decade, the offensive line recruiting has either consistently done a poor job of evaluating talent OR offensive line coaching has done a poor job of player development OR some combination of the two.

Having said that, a great number of those sacks were after there had been P-L-E-N-T-Y of time to throw the ball away. It was for this reason that I put the post in this thread. There are quite a few offensive lines in the FBS that provide less protection than Block O, whether or not they are what we expected 4 years ago. But there are no quarterbacks who are sacked on as high a percentage of drop-backs. Not one. Some of that is on the quarterback or on the people who are coaching the quarterback.
 
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To avoid the jwins multi-quoting, I agree with what everybody said that was responding to my post. I was just relaying a simplified version to say that I don't think a lot of it is on the OLine. Braxton has taken a ton of sacks where he has had a ridiculous amount of time but either didn't throw it away or just took a poor sack.

The offensive coaching staff hasn't done much, or maybe anything, to help the passing game from my point of view. Quicker drops and faster developing routes are a must right now. We had a few slants that worked very well in the Wisky game. When you go three wide and all three go vertical, it's just too easy to defend for a B1G defense. I swear they call those plays just in hopes the defense isn't spying Braxton and with the db's back's turned he could take off for big yardage.
 
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Brax is a true freshman, who had every offensive impact starter preseason suspended. Does he take some sacks maybe he shouldn't...yes, but so did 2 a time BCS Bowl MVP.

I'm not a big Sic fan and hope next year he gets excellent tutelage. He and his receivers, new receivers coach and the lord willing a new offensive coordinator should bring it all together.

Kid has all the tools. If he has the line in front of him, a big if, the running game we expect, he and we will be ok.
 
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HOLYBUCKEYE10;2034953; said:
Braxton has to learn to get rid of the ball sometimes. I know he is mobile and he thinks he can beat 2 or 3 ppl, and sometimes he can, but now and then throw the ball away.....
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He's a TRUE Freshman... He will learn. No need to complain about it in his thread. Troy Smith and TP both struggled with getting rid of the ball early in their careers and look how they turned out (ON THE FIELD). Both are LEGEND's in The Game, TS has his Heisman, TP has his Rose and Sugar MVP's (we all know he won it regardless of what the NCAA does)
 
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TooTallMenardo;2034962; said:
He's a TRUE Freshman... He will learn. No need to complain about it in his thread. Troy Smith and TP both struggled with getting rid of the ball early in their careers and look how they turned out (ON THE FIELD). Both are LEGEND's in the game, TS has his Heisman, TP has his Rose and Sugar MVP's (we all know he won it regardless of what the NCAA does)
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TP... Legendary? Eh... that might be a stretch.

I agree with both of you though. Miller's got to rid of the ball quicker sometimes, but it's something he'll get better with time. Here's to hoping he takes a HUGE step up next season. The season's success will pretty much depend on it. He's got so much potential it's crazy, but games like today show just how raw he is.
 
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