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QB/WR Braxton Miller (B1G POY, National Champion, OSU HOF)

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Mrstickball;2028406; said:
Sure, but its still interesting to make the comparison.. Braxton has a (surprisingly) higher YPC average (4.7 to 4.0)
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It's not that surprising. Miller runs with the intent to score, while Pryor ran with the intent to get to the sideline and not get hit. Miller is a much more gifted runner as well, while Pryor was more of a straight line runner.

I'm assuming these stats factor in sacks? If not, I'd expect the gap to be wider.
 
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ScarletnGray 33;2028681; said:
Miller runs with the intent to score, while Pryor ran with the intent to get to the sideline and not get hit. Miller is a much more gifted runner as well, while Pryor was more of a straight line runner.
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Sounds like more wishful thinking than anything. Yes, there's a new, promising, young, QB in town, so it's easy to write off the previous QB, who left on bad terms. But be honest - Pryor was among the most competitive players in the history of college football. Do you really believe Pryor didn't have the desire/will to score each and every time he touched the ball? Seriously?

Sometimes the best option a QB can make is to run out of bounds. Pryor wasn't afraid to take a hit even when running out of bounds as seen in this clip...

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYnR1wbshec&feature=related"]Terrelle Pryor big hit - YouTube[/ame]


As for Miller being "a much more gifted runner as well" I'd say that's a bit of a stretch, too. While both are certainly gifted runners, one is not significantly better than the other.

I'll give credit where credit is due. I've been waiting for a few years to see an Ohio State QB bust out an 80+ yard run for a touchdown. Miller did it; Pryor didn't, though he came close...

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdFhFl8orVM&feature=related"]TERRELLE PRYOR JUMPS OVER DEFENDER FOR 78 YARD TD RUN IN NCAA 2010 (ON XBOX LIVE) - YouTube[/ame] :biggrin:
 
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7 Heismans;2028842; said:
Sounds like more wishful thinking than anything. Yes, there's a new, promising, young, QB in town, so it's easy to write off the previous QB, who left on bad terms. But be honest - Pryor was among the most competitive players in the history of college football. Do you really believe Pryor didn't have the desire/will to score each and every time he touched the ball? Seriously?

Sometimes the best option a QB can make is to run out of bounds. Pryor wasn't afraid to take a hit even when running out of bounds as seen in this clip...

Terrelle Pryor big hit - YouTube


As for Miller being "a much more gifted runner as well" I'd say that's a bit of a stretch, too. While both are certainly gifted runners, one is not significantly better than the other.

I'll give credit where credit is due. I've been waiting for a few years to see an Ohio State QB bust out an ~80 yard run for a touchdown. Miller did it; Pryor didn't, though he came close...

TERRELLE PRYOR JUMPS OVER DEFENDER FOR 78 YARD TD RUN IN NCAA 2010 (ON XBOX LIVE) - YouTube :biggrin:
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I might be the biggest Pryor supporter on this board but there is no question that Braxton is a more talented runner. While Pryor was able to out-physical defenders, he was definitely more shy of hits than Braxton is. Pryor never had runs up the middle because he almost always bounced them outside to the sideline. Braxton runs with the intent of scoring.
And did you really just link a youtube of a video game? :shake:
 
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ScarletnGray 33;2028681; said:
Miller runs with the intent to score, while Pryor ran with the intent to get to the sideline and not get hit.
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What bullshit. Miller runs out-of-bounds, too -- as he should to protect himself and our team. Just as Pryor did. In fact, in my recollection I saw Pryor "take on" defenders more frequently than Miller does, likely because he was such a big, strong dude.

Most of us find Brax to be a more likable personality than Pryor, which is fine. But revisionist history based on charisma is silly. Pryor was a great college QB, and I will forever feel privileged to have watched him play in scarlet & gray. (And I'm looking forward to seeing Brax lead the team for the next few seasons, too!)
 
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MaxBuck;2028850; said:
What bull[Mark May]. Miller runs out-of-bounds, too -- as he should to protect himself and our team. Just as Pryor did. In fact, in my recollection I saw Pryor "take on" defenders more frequently than Miller does, likely because he was such a big, strong dude.

Most of us find Brax to be a more likable personality than Pryor, which is fine. But revisionist history based on charisma is silly. Pryor was a great college QB, and I will forever feel privileged to have watched him play in scarlet & gray. (And I'm looking forward to seeing Brax lead the team for the next few seasons, too!)
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Pryor took on defenders from an arms length, no pun intended. He'd stiff arm guys but you rarely saw him lower his shoulder into a guy like Cam Newton. There's a reason Pryor didn't break too many big runs and that is the middle third of the field was never an area he exploited. He'd get up the field and then immediately look to bounce out to the outside.
I wish that Braxton would "pick his spots" better, so to speak. He's always sticking his nose in there and taking some big hits.
 
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MaxBuck;2028862; said:
Which, if your primary skill set is your speed rather than elusiveness, makes a lot of sense.
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Whether or not it makes sense is debatable and irrelevant. Pryor didn't break many big runs BECAUSE he bounced things outside. He made himself easier to defend that way. I think he bounced outside because he didn't like to take those hits and was probably coached not to take a lot of hits.
I think it was Duane Long who said Braxton Miller could have received offers to be a RB had he focused on that. That's how good of a runner he is. Could you say that about Pryor?
 
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MaxBuck;2028862; said:
Which, if your primary skill set is your speed rather than elusiveness, makes a lot of sense.
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I think that's the point. Miller has speed and elusiveness. While he doesn't have the straight line speed of Pryor he does have to ability to make a defender miss completely.

Pryor was a great player and a great runner at Ohio State but there's a reason why Braxton Miller has already broken off runs that Pryor wasn't able to do in his three seasons here.
 
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They've called a number of passing play's and Braxton is being patient enough, the WR's just aren't getting open consistently.

With that being said, I'm still baffled that we refuse to throw a screen pass to the RB's. And what about the TE screen to Stoney that went for a TD against NEB? Maybe we are saving it for a key time down the road. How about a shovel pass? A roll out and a pass to the TE in the flat? WHY do we insist on throwing vertically 10-20 yds down the field ALL the time? If the WR's are not consistently getting open let's us the TE, RB and Fullback...just a thought.

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