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QB Troy Smith (2006 Heisman Trophy Winner)

Anyway, I greatly agree with those who are very upset and disappointed with Troy, but don't wish to treat him as trash. Smith has already said he knows he'll be at the bottom of the totem pole. He's gonna work his way back up. If Zwick doesn't falter, then he'll simply regret his mistakes and support his team 100%.
 
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Like I said, if he wanted to transfer, I wouldn't let him. Don't discount the influence of people like Ted Ginn, Sr. here. Troy has created this obstacle, now it's his responsibilty to overcome it. If he's the kind person we're told he is, I'm sure he'll do just that. If he's not, then maybe Ted Sr. and JT can help turn him into that kind of person. I hope one way or the other it happens.
 
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Maybe it was just a bunch of smoke, but there were several posters that said all spring that Bockman was ahead of Smith and nipping at the heals of JZ.

There were several who said that he has a chance to start next year.
I don't see JT utilizing this ... but Smith leaving is not outa the question.

If Clarrett was the reason he took the cash ... he may get some slack.
If this was his own doing ... and the cell phone rumor is bunk .... then
I think he will ride the pine ....

No way does he sit out Game one ... and start Game Two.

The #1 QB gets 75% of the reps for game #1, wins the game ... then sits.

I don't think so ....

Smith suspended and takes 75% of the reps not to play .... not on your life.


This all part of the problem.
Smith didn't just make a simple mistake ...
he has mucked up the stream, shit in the water, and has made this a very diffficult situation.

Our best set up for a NC in years .... almost everyone returns ....
a loaded pre-season Texas team coming into the 'shoe ranked #2 in the country ... and Troy makes a simple little mistake ...

1. that screws up the practice schedule
who gets the reps for the final two weeks before game #1

2. Screws up team chemistry ... who does the team rally behind and view
as a leader ??? .... Troy or the Starter of Game #1.....
We have a QB contraversy ... who is the starter next year ....
You can see it on this board already.

3. This is not his first mistake ...
It is at least #2 ... some say #3, some say #4, or #5.

4. I resent Geiger being gone because of all of this, but I think this literally
was the straw that broke Geiger's back.

5. There ain't no I in team.

6. Troy gets picked as the #1 QB for the spring game ... over the Starter
for game #1 ... and we talk about it for weeks.... so does ESPN

7. We win game one by 21 points ... and there will be a thread about how we
would have won by 22 if TS had started.

8. EspIn ... will remind us in the spring and in the pre-season and in the Texas
pre-game of the reason for the controversy.

I have had enough.

Lets close this chapter and move on.

But no one will let it close .... we will have to hear all about the OSU appeal
for a player on the take ... to be re-instated ....

SO Troy gets re-instated ....

and in next years Rose Bowl .... there will be questions about the point spread ... and how a player took money and was "owned" by the booster ...

tOSU ... the best team money can buy ..... from a USC team that has had this said about them year in and year out.

at UCLA / USC games ... the UCLA fans do the Trojan two finger stab with a dollar bill in their hands .... "For the Best Team Money Can Buy"

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OK.... I will accept JT's judgment on this one .....If he stays
but if he screws up one more time .....
If he Jay Walks across Lane Avenue....
If he forgets to brush his teeth ....
If he doesn't cross his T and Dot the i......

Then he needs to go..............

Am I a JZ fan .... you betcha ... he is the current QB for tOSU ...
Am I a Bockman fan ... you betcha ... he is a Buckeye ...

Am I a TS fan ... as long as he wears Scarlett & Grey ... I will cheer for him.

I am not rooting for JZ over TS ... I am embarassed by TS at this point ...
and want to clean up tOSU and our image.

I went to a job interview one time ... and they were impressed that I was from OSU ... I want it to be that way all the time for all of our grads.

I do not want to be the National Champs, then have a player take money ...
and have Cryami Fans say we should give it back ... because we used an
ineligable player. It was bad enough that they said a ref took the game from them.

The last thing I want is

NC 2005 * tOSU

footnote * tOSU used and ineligable player, who was paid to play.

I received a few RED Rubies for this thread.....

Geiger got a Pink Slip

tOSU got a Black Eye

...... in the words of the Beatles ...

OBLA DEE OBLA DAA LIFE GOES ON......

I am gonna hope for the Best...

Plan for the Worst .....

And Deal with what Comes.

Then Cheer on the Bucks.

and this will be my last lengthy post on the TS situation.
 
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I am no longer convinced that we will not see Troy Smith against Texas.

First, a new scenario is brewing concerning the "Where's my money, Mommy" affair. We should not underestimate the revulsion people will feel when they realize that the same Clarett who made these allegations actually conned Smith into getting his Mom to get him a cellphone, forced him to go get money to pay the bill and then blew the whistle on him.

Second, Miles Brand is making very supportive comments about OSU. They've been digging around a long time for such things to be said, if anything else untoward was to be found. Brand is saying that the Buckeye Athletics Department is everything we always thought it was. Transparent. Honest. Working hard to be compliant. His comments about Clarett (i.e., a good athlete perhaps not ready for stardom when it hit and badly influenced) also seem to have an effect of bringing him back in line.

Third, it now seems likely to me that by the Texas game, most of this stuff, even basketball, could be behind us.

If that is so, ESPiN can let up on tOSU and need no longer turn on Clarett as a way out. He may be around as a great pro player (although I personally think he will be injury prone and not so good as many think). They won't want to have confrontation with him but rather will want to feed off the controversy he will no doubt create, no matter where he goes. Can you imagine the nonsense that will take place if he doesn't get playing time?

So, the wonderful journalists who are in charge of reverse vortex at ESPiN alter ego, EXPiN, have a major opportunity to position Clarett as "mislead" and "immature at the time" and "sorry for the errors that he made", they can position OSU as a "storied program" that is "working hard to make sure they are never involved in such controversy ever again" and they can use Smith as the poster child for OSU's "recovery".

Tressel could care less about what anyone thinks if Smith is the best bet to get to a NC next year. There is little doubt in my mind that OSU is better with a mobile quarterback and that Zwick was not mobile enough in the Alamo Bowl or otherwise. Witness the necessity to make snaps to Ginn. So, Smith is our best quarterback.

Booed? Maybe, but I don't think so. How long would it take the OSU faithful to forgive Smith, now that the reason for his discretion is known? About this long....

"Can you hear me in all this noise? That's right, Kirk, the 'Shoe is rockin'. OSU was down 10 points to Texas with when Smith came in. Two hundred yards of offense and five minutes later, they go into halftime, up seven points and with all the momentum."
 
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Steve19 said:
Tressel could care less about what anyone thinks if Smith is the best bet to get to a NC next year. There is little doubt in my mind that OSU is better with a mobile quarterback and that Zwick was not mobile enough in the Alamo Bowl or otherwise. Witness the necessity to make snaps to Ginn. So, Smith is our best quarterback.
Steve, I agree that a mobile QB is a good thing, and that Smith is much more mobile than Zwick. And while you said 'in the Alamo Bowl or otherwise', I've got to point out the pulled hamstring was the main reason that Zwick didn't run much in the Alamo Bowl. That, and a game plan that limited his running with the ball since there was no backup QB we wanted to play.
 
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cderekw said:
Boeckman has no chance of starting and will be 3rd string. I know everybody wants golden boy to take control and lead this team, and he would do a good job. He won't win us a National Championship, Troy Smith is the guy that can lead and the players believe in based on self confidence. JZ played great in the bowl game, but didn't do anything to take the starting job back. Boeckman is not even in the equation unless injuries occur.
The flavor of future Buckeye teams will be determined more by what happens today than what happened this past season. If we land a strong running back we become a very different team which can be molded around one type of QB. If we are fortunate to get two backfield stallions, we become an entirely different team. Who knows how effective and efficient any of our QBs will be with a solid to outstanding running game. Check USC with Bush and White; check OU with Peterson, and check Texas with Benson. An elite running game will add maximum flexibility to our QB and perhaps allow him to do things we have yet to see; regardless who that QB is.
 
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BuckeyeBill73 said:
Steve, I agree that a mobile QB is a good thing, and that Smith is much more mobile than Zwick. And while you said 'in the Alamo Bowl or otherwise', I've got to point out the pulled hamstring was the main reason that Zwick didn't run much in the Alamo Bowl. That, and a game plan that limited his running with the ball since there was no backup QB we wanted to play.
A very good point, BB73. Zwick may have more mobility than the game plans allowed him in the earlier games, when he started, as well. It also is possible that Smith had the game of his life against UM and will never repeat that performance. Maybe Smith looked so good then because the game plan Tressel put out there was so different to what we played all year and it was unexpected. I guess we all just learn in time, eh? I wish they all could play the games of their lives every time and that Smith hadn't allowed himself to be put in such a stupid situation and then to act so foolishly as to bring all these problems on himself and the team.
 
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UGABuck said:
2005 Two Deep: Game 3 of the season


Zwick
Boeckman
Smith


JT said as much during the AB.
been saying exactly that since this happened. jt has all but said that. ts has literally said that several times now. people don't seem to want to hear it though. call me crazy, but i don't see jt bowing before a qb who sold himself and his team for a shot at a nc... expecially when we have a strong shot with or without ts.

no matter how good ts is. if he truely starts the season as the #3 qb, he's done. jz OR boeckman "might" fall on their face, but not both. keep in mind, this is the same ts who wasn't able to beat jz last spring. we think he can so this spring because...?

newsflash for those of you who haven't been paying attention...

WE HAVE FAR MORE TALENT ON THIS TEAM THAN JUST TROY SMITH!!!!!!!!!!

he is not the second coming pople. secondly, i have yet to see anything to lead me to believe we have a significantly better shot at an nc with smith than without him. why you poeple get such a woody over his "numbers" against scum is beyond me. you people seem to think he was the only guy who showed up to play that day. last i checked there were atleast 3 or 4 other guys who suited up for the game...

but please, feel free to ignore all sanity and join corso on ts' nutsack.
 
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no matter how good ts is. if he truely starts the season as the #3 qb, he's done.

Maybe I missed something but Troy has spring and fall practice in front of him to make up that ground. He has to serve whatever suspension he is given, but he doesn't have to wait for Zwick and Boeckman to get injured or drop off the earth to move up the charts.

I can recall several players (Wilhem comes to mind) who were moved down the chart due to injuries, etc and had to work their way back. They did so without missing a game.

Certainly Troy has put himself in a fix but my understanding of the way JT works (and should work) is that consequences are meted out for your actions. After that it is over. No stigma. No scarlet letter. Over.
 
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Did I miss something? What happened to lead us to believe that Smith won't serve his two-game suspension and then work his way up the depth chart? Is there new information that is suggesting he might be gone for a longer period of time? Or are we just in that winter rut, and this is the most interesting thing to talk about?
 
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If he's on suspension, he doesn't practice.

I considered that but I wonder if that is true in all situations. Since it is a locally imposed penalty I believe there is precedent for letting them practice.

If not hloding a kid - especially a QB - out of Spring and Fall ball is a heck of a lot more penalty in itself than the two games.

I may be full of it on this one - not the first time.
 
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