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QB Troy Smith (2006 Heisman Trophy Winner)

QB Troy Smith

If I were Smith, I would hit the road.

I think he is gonna Ride the Pine.

I think he is gonna get Booed outa the stadium the first time he finds the

field. I don't cae how much Tress wants to help him learn from this

experience, I don't think Smith can look Geiger in the eye any more.

And while Geiger is stepping down, it is not until after Spring Ball.

I would transfer to a Division II school, try to put up some gaudy numbers,

and enter the draft after next year.

No sense riding the pine then declaring early, and no sense sitting in Columbus

for two years prior to entering the draft.

We have heard for two years now that Bockman is pushing these guys

already. Smith could wind up third string next year and fourth string the year

after.

If my thing is to get to the NFL, and get me some more money ..... then

I wouldn't sit in Columbus. Only draw back is that he has to serve the

suspension no matter where he would go.

I do not have any inside knowledge, its just a gut feeling that this could be in

the works, and that is why we have a few more offers on the table.

IMHO

TI
 
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Am I right in assuming that AKAK, FKA and Saw could agree with raising the penalties at OSU for any future infractions? Would you suggest that OSU institute a policy that if a player takes more than some amount of money in prohibited benefits, say $100 or $250, that player will suffer a 10 game suspension in the first instance and will be expelled from the University for a second offense?

No scapegoating in that. No unfair treatment. No ability to cry foul. Just a statement that the bar is higher on this stuff at OSU.

Probably would not be wise to announce this now, so that the media suggests that OSU is laying down the law because things are so out of hand. But the policy could be quietly with the players of all athletics teams immediately and then perhaps announced at some future date publicly when all of this has died down?

Would something like that work for you guys?
 
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MililaniBuckeye said:
Even "cardinal sins" have levels of infraction. Is taking $100 on the sly the same as, say, taking $1,000 in a more brazen manner? I don't think so. How many have seen Troy Smith "walking around with envelopes full of cash"? I haven't heard of any, have you? Also, the minute that the head coach of a football team loses emotional attachment to his players, he's done. I think Jim Tressel has proved himself as a head coach over 18 seasons, and Geiger proved himself as AD at two major institutions over 15 years, so if they feel reinstatement is warranted, I'll defer to their judgment, thank you very much.

exactly, I defer judgment to the coach and athletic dept.
 
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Steve19 said:
Am I right in assuming that AKAK, FKA and Saw could agree with raising the penalties at OSU for any future infractions? Would you suggest that OSU institute a policy that if a player takes more than some amount of money in prohibited benefits, say $100 or $250, that player will suffer a 10 game suspension in the first instance and will be expelled from the University for a second offense?

No scapegoating in that. No unfair treatment. No ability to cry foul. Just a statement that the bar is higher on this stuff at OSU.

Probably would not be wise to announce this now, so that the media suggests that OSU is laying down the law because things are so out of hand. But the policy could be quietly with the players of all athletics teams immediately and then perhaps announced at some future date publicly when all of this has died down?

Would something like that work for you guys?

I think we agree on quite a few things. We all trust JT and AG are about doing what's right, not just winning. We all agree that this is a horrible mess that reflects terribly on tOSU. We all want what's best for tOSU. I can certainly agree with raising the penalties from this point on. I, however, don't hold the same reservations as AKAK and FKA about raising those penalties right now in this situation.

I stated in my post that was deleted (you can see some of it quoted above) that I am still too angry and was not prepared to say TS should be booted. I also said that I wasn't prepared to say that he necesarily "deserves" anything either. Again, not that my opinion matters or has any more weight than anyone else's. I understand that.

FKAGobucks877 said:
And that is not to say that Smith shouldn't still be punished further by the coach...

This quote is certainly something I agree with and may be at the heart of our original disagreement. My problem was that it seemed like there were so many people coming to TS's defense when I'm not necessarily convinced he deserves that kind of consideration at this point. I think I read some other's post as "It's cut and dry, 2 games. Let's get him back on the field in time for Texas." I don't believe, now, that's what they were saying. That's on me.

I stated I was/am rather dismayed that so quickly after this whole mess became public, AG was already talking about reinstatement, especially given the fact the season is over and there is plenty of time to have that discussion later. I pointed out that I believed his transgression, after all that has gone on, makes it inherently worse, and therefore, at the very least, further punishment should be considered. To me, at least letting TS sweat it out a little before talking about getting him back on the team was warranted here. If he is the quality young man that we want him to be, I think that could be very good for him. I conceded that I am an outsider and TS may have already said and done things for JT and AG that makes them believe he does deserve this consideration. I wouldn't know. I am admittedly only reacting to what I've seen and read.

I believe I over reacted to some statements by AKAK and could have handled it better. We may not agree on each and every little detail, but we certainly agree on more than we don't. I was out of town for the holidays and did not have endless access to the details of this story that I do now. The details are all still very new to me and I haven't had the time to "cool my jets" that others have had. The quote by Mr. Baker about having some sort of "ownership" over TS infuriates me to no end. TS putting himself in that kind of situation has been the hardest thing for me to digest. FKA may be correct in saying that after some time passes and people have had time to cool down, stances on this situation will modify. I reserve the right to modify my position as time passes and that's why I say I'm not prepared to say what punishment fits the "crime" here. I stated that I think a two game suspension for this is not enough. I still believe that. However, I hadn't taken into consideration an "unofficial suspension" or "TS, you're now at the bottom of the depth chart, and you will have to work even harder than before, on and off the field, to ever see playing time again" as a part of this discussion. Those are things I could live with and it may also satisfy the "don't just throw the kid away" stance that others have taken. But I understand that I am not the one that will make that call and I trust those who do make that call. Whatever their decision is, I will have to live with it. I hope that at some point in the future TS has the opportunity to explain what was going through his head and shows the appropriate regret and humility. I know this statement makes me seem selfish, but I would like to see this for the sake of tOSU, JT and AG whose names are being drug through the mud. As I have said, to "forgive and forget" requires the person in question to ask for it first. Hopefully, he's already done this behind closed doors for JT and AG. That would be a good start because IMO AG and especially JT deserve better than this mess that TS, while not completely to blame, is in large part responsible for. JMHO.
 
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If I were Tressel, I wouldn't grant him a release, even if he did want to transfer. No way I'd let him do this kind of damage to his team and university, then just let him stroll on out the door while everyone else picks up the pieces. He should stay on the team, take his punishment (a severe one), and then place him at the bottom of the depth chart and make him work his way back up.
 
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Baker called Dutton and asked whether Smith had received the money with assurances that there were no strings attached, the incident report says. Baker responded, "Now I own him," the report says.
Besides telling the athletes many, many times that accepting money is against NCAA rules, and the penalty is suspension from the team, maybe the athletes need to be also reminded of the mindset of some of these snake-in-the-grass boosters. I don't know about you folks, but when I read that this booster said "Now I own him", it hit a nerve with me.
 
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buckiprof said:
Besides telling the athletes many, many times that accepting money is against NCAA rules, and the penalty is suspension from the team, maybe the athletes need to be also reminded of the mindset of some of these snake-in-the-grass boosters. I don't know about you folks, but when I read that this booster said "Now I own him", it hit a nerve with me.
You aren't kidding, man. It scared me. To think that Smith may intentionally shave points for gambling purposes and whatnot. This is some serious shit and I will always stick to my guns in saying that TS should be gone. I think its very commendable that people want to help this kid, but I have no heart for a guy that does something that is so wrong and hurts his teammates and his school that badly. Im more worried about having a clean program than winning because we have the coaching to win, but if you cheat to do it then whats the point.
 
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To think that Smith may intentionally shave points for gambling purposes and whatnot. This is some serious shit and I will always stick to my guns in saying that TS should be gone.
Our thinking about Smith shaving points is a hell of a lot different from his actually doing so. Just like this Baker jocksniffer saying "I own him" is a hell of a lot different from his actually owning Smith.

BucksinFL, you and I agree that maintaining integrity in the program is paramount. And Troy Smith has threatened this integrity by his foolish actions. I believe, however, that dismissing him at this moment would be premature and counterproductive. But I respect your viewpoint.
 
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