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QB Troy Smith (2006 Heisman Trophy Winner)

If it was "Grandpa" .. where was "Grandpa" before he had an MVP day in beating Michigan .. I'm guessing Troy's not getting anywhere near Cleveland because rumor has it Ginn Sr has an inch thick paddle he plans to give to Troy for Christmas...

The rumor is that the money was for him to buy xmas presents. that seems logical. the rumor never said when the money was given to Troy, but we do know that JT & AG found out about it thursday. If this is even what really happened. we'll all find out as soon as Alan spills the beans :wink:
 
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AKA agreed.

I am also not supportive of "making an example out of Troy" and "drawing the line" by kicking him off the team or being overly harsh. You cannot penalize him for the transgressions of the past.
 
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The majority of these posts want to know the details, I really don't see the point.

The situation is that our starting quaterback, the leader of our team and the most recongnizable face since he led us to victory over Scum has committed a NCAA violation and has been suspended for the bowl game.

Here is part of his statement....

"I am aware of what is expected, both on and off the field, at Ohio State and I have fallen short of those expectations," Smith said in a statement released by Ohio State.
He was aware of what he did and the what could happen if found out, yet he chose to recieve an improper gift in the eyes of the NCAA, what was the gift? Its not that important when you take a look at the fall out from his actions.

I have heard countless things it could be and I sincerely hope it was a minor infraction and that the kid gets another chance. I personally believe it will be difficult for him to ever start at OSU again. It is unfortunate that the timing is bad and with everything going on around the program, his actions will be dissected over and over again by the media and blown up 10 times the size, wether this is fair depends on the infraction, but regardless...this is another black mark on the program which needs more media attention like it needs cancer.

I am a big supporter of coach T and Andy Geiger but there needs to be a sense of urgency to clean this stuff up or changes will have to be made, no person is bigger than the university and the same applies to players. I would hate to see Coach T or Andy Gieger lose their jobs due to poor choices being made by a few select individuals.
 
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Am I wrong but....

<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=yspsctnhdln>Tressel, Geiger Discuss Smith Suspension</TD></TR><TR><TD height=7><SPACER height="1" type="block" width="1"></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD>Steve Helwagen - Scout.com
December 20, 2004 at 6:06pm ET OSU coach Jim Tressel and athletic director Andy Geiger met with the media Monday afternoon to discuss the suspension handed down to quarterback Troy Smith for a violation of unspecified team and NCAA rules. Ohio State head coach Jim Tressel and athletic director Andy Geiger met with the media this afternoon to discuss the suspension handed down to sophomore quarterback Troy Smith .

The university announced earlier in the afternoon that Smith had been suspended and would not play in the Dec. 29 Alamo Bowl as a result of a violation of team and NCAA rules and standards.

<TABLE cellPadding=1 align=right border=0 vspace="5" hspace="10"><TBODY><TR><TD><!-- SpaceID=95862262 loc=LREC noad --></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>Geiger said the university has petitioned the NCAA for Smith's reinstatement for the 2005 season. Neither he nor Tressel would discuss the nature of Smith's indiscretions.

This announcement comes one month after ESPN launched an expose into the OSU program where Maurice Clarett and other former players claimed they were lavished with money and no-work jobs. However, Geiger said these allegations involving Smith do not relate to Clarett or any previous issues.

"It's it's own thing, number one, even though everybody will try to draw connections," Geiger said. "It's disappointing for Troy and it's disappointing for the football team. But contrary to showing a program that's not in control, I think this shows a program that's in control. We just declared our quarterback ineligible. Now, we're going through the proper procedures. It's sad for Troy and it's sad for his teammates and for the coaching staff and the fans and everybody. But we're doing things the right way.

"He's ineligible for this game and we have applied for reinstatement for his future."

Geiger indicated that the university was made aware of possible rules violations involving Smith.

"We got some information," the AD said. "We researched it and investigated it ourselves. We discovered there was truth to the incident report. We declared him ineligible and reported it to the NCAA and we're now applying for reinstatement. We've had similar things before. This is not a new procedure.

"We found out Thursday, acted Friday and we're completing it at this point."

Geiger said the school will not reveal the nature of Smith's rules violations: "We're not going to disclose the exact nature of what happened and that's the way it is. It's in the nature of NCAA rules."

The AD also said OSU does not expect to have to forfeit any games over these rules violations. Geiger did not provide an exact timetable for when any violations may have occurred.

"The litmus test (for university sanctions) is did we know, should we have known?" he said.

Geiger believes Smith should be reinstated by the NCAA in time for spring practice.

"When he gets reinstated for eligibility remains to be seen, but we're confident he will play next season," Geiger said.

The Coach Speaks

Tressel also shared his viewpoints on this latest controversy to hit the OSU program.

"Troy has broken team rules and NCAA rules," Tressel said. "You lose privileges for playing the game. We have appealed to have reinstatement but it wouldn't be for this game. That's about as specific as we can be.

"We became aware of something we needed to research on Thursday, so that's what we've been doing the last few days. What we're doing right now … is self-imposing a suspension and then seeking reinstatement for the future, not for this game, though."

Tressel had a chance to discuss the matter with Smith, who became a household name around the state with his play in OSU's season-ending win over Michigan.

"Obviously, he feels terrible that he didn't take care of his responsibilities as he should have," Tressel said. "He feels terrible for his teammates. He's anxious to be back with his team in the winter. He knows he can't travel or play in the game.

"In fact, the statement he said to me was, `I understand I'll start at the bottom of the totem pole when I get back. I understand that's what I should do.' "

The coach talked about what he was thinking when he got the news that Smith was in hot water.

"It was a huge surprise," he said. "Watching him grow and mature and so forth, it is a huge surprise. I asked the coaches to call their position people and let them know there was something on the horizon. I'm sure every one of them it impacted them differently. But they know that like any time anything happens, we confront it, we handle it and we move on."

Sophomore Justin Zwick will now start at quarterback against Oklahoma State, while freshman Todd Boeckman - who has not played all season in hopes of redshirting - would be the backup, Tressel said.

"The one thing I've said to some of our staff that is disconcerting as anything is that Todd Boeckman is one play from being in the game," Tressel said. "He worked so hard to position himself to redshirt and have an opportunity at more years. That may not happen.

"But, obviously, we feel good about Justin Zwick. We know in the game of football on the first play of the game, you could move up to the top spot. We'll cross that bridge."

Zwick has not played since leaving the Iowa game in week six with a shoulder injury. But Tressel has confidence in him.

"I didn't talk to Justin," Tressel said. "Contrary to popular opinion, I'm not the quarterbacks coach. Even though when they throw picks, I'm supposed to be. Coach (Joe) Daniels was supposed to call him. Justin, he's been a guy preparing for a bowl game and looking forward to the opportunity and appreciative of the opportunities he had before. I'm sure he'll do a great job."

Tressel also refused to go in detail about Smith's rules infractions.

"That's the privacy of being a student-athlete," Tressel said. "All we can do is when we get enough information is confront that. That's what we've done here today and pay the penalties and handle what happens from here, without being specific of what it's all about.

"We're dealing with humans. We're dealing with kids and dealing with people who impact kids and people who sometimes don't give kids great advice. I think you go all the way to the bitter end with a stiff upper lip and try to figure out better ways you can get messages across even better. You handle it when you haven't."



No were in here does it discuss anything about why he was suspended. Can anyone give me fact not rumors. All the posts in here are all rumors that people hear or post. I keep hearing that he took money but that's not what Coach T or AG said in the press conference, right? I didn't watch it so I don't know! The radio may have said it but do you believe everything you hear? Rumors....
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AKAKBUCK said:
Daddy- read everything you just said...

Everyone knows all that... no the least the AD.

Now....


Everyone take a deep breath and think....

Before the MoC/ESPN the Ragazine Article. MoC got 6 games for receiving illegal benefits....

Now in the post "MoC/ESPN the Ragazine Article" world.. Troy only get one game for whatever it is he did.

I imagine that we're going to find out that whatever it is, its pretty minor.
The reason MoC got six games, and ultimately the entire season, had more to do with the fact he lied to the NCAA than it did with the benefits he received. Fortunately for him, Troy at least knew enough to fess up when confronted and didn't try to cover up as Mo did.
 
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My man, you don't know who controls College Football: THE ALUMNI. If the Alumni didn't like Tressel, he'd be gone in a heartbeat. Look what happened to Terry Bowden at Auburn, or Ron Zook at Florida, or Tyrone Willingham at Notre Dame, or what about Frank Solich?? The Alumni for the respective schools was even the lead NEGOTIATOR and RECRUITER for Florida and ND in the Urban Meyer talks. Ohio State's Alumni base includes a lot of rich & powerful men and women in this country: they control Tressel and the Buckeyes, not the other way around. There's no major change that can happen at this University without the Alumni's approval: if you think otherwise, then you're incorrect.
I worked with the Alumni Association and I still have friends who have high level positions with the Alumni Association and its fund raising. What you have portrayed here is not quite accurate. Yes, alumni exert certain pressures, but if the alumni had the power that you imply, Cooper would have never had the opportunity to lose 10 games to scUM. He would have been gone by loss #5. I was there and I know the pressure being exerted by the alumni at that time.

In 2002, a very wealthy OSU benefactor did not receive tickets to the Fiesta Bowl. This is an individual who annually gives as much to the university as I probably will in my entire lifetime. He had no control over the allocation of tickets, JT and his program.

There is no control of the program by alumni and the program has no control of these alumni. It is a strange relationship that does exist, has always existed, and will continue to exist. There are powerful alumni who try to exert their influence but their success in influencing things isn't as dramatic as you state.
 
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The reason MoC got six games, and ultimately the entire season, had more to do with the fact he lied to the NCAA than it did with the benefits he received. .

The reason MoC got six games for receiving improper benefits is becasue he did it often and for lots of money... the reason he got the other 6 is because he lied about it.... in addition, he also had a number of other sanctions imposed... including making reaparations for the money he received...

I'm sure had Troy not returned the benefit... they would not already be talking 'application for reinstatement' This pretty much means that the benefit couldn't have been that large and he didn't blow it on stippers or something.

You acn interpret it however you want I suppose... All I can do is listen to Gieger's explanation.
 
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I wasn't disagreeing AKAK, but I do recall Geiger stating Mo's suspension would probably have been only 2 or 3 games if he had been truthful. I agree with you that it sounds as if Troy's "indescretion" was probably relatively minor and a one time thing.
 
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I'm assuming that by now most here are aware that the latest rumor is that Smith's "violation" was receiving a christmas gift from someone that didn't qualify as an immediate family member. Doesn't sound too bad to me. But Alan still has me worried.
 
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It's hard to lay blame on the coach when one of the biggest booster-offenders has the same last name as the basketball arena.

The specifics of the Troy Smith story notwithstanding, there is enormous temptation for all Buckeye athletes when very wealthy, well-connected and catered-to boosters facilitate the rules violations.

Law-abiding Buckeye boosters need to self-police the program by calling out the scumbags and shunning them from the program.
 
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