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QB Troy Smith (2006 Heisman Trophy Winner)

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NFBuck;1617203; said:
He has a slow delivery,
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Really? Never once did I hear that nor see it... Some examples would be nice.


NFBuck;1617203; said:
is undersized
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So is the leading candidate for the NFL MVP...and no, I'm not talking about Farve.

NFBuck;1617203; said:
and he hasn't shown very good accuracy in the NFL.
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He's shown solid accuracy and decent touch, more so than Cleveland's current starting QB's. - aside from spot duty and preseason though, he's never been giving the opportunity to impress. But when he did get some snaps, many people outside of Buckeye nation were watching.

NFBuck;1617203; said:
Love the guy, was a tremendous college player, but I try to take of the S & G glasses when they move on to the NFL.
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Likewise, but I still see a better leader and QB than the garbage our team is stuck with now.

I understand where some feel Troy coming to Cleveland would be a death sentence. But as many feel he's nothing more than a career backup; I think he'd be great playing as the hometown hero type starter.
(Bernie anyone?) He has heart, character, ability, and a deep connection with the people of this State. - He's a football player, its simple.

I believe Troy would perfer to be starting for Cleveland than a backup anywhere else. If this draft is solid, we can start to focus on cleaning up the Oline, solidifying a remotely decent defense and get a couple players on offense, I see no reason what-so-ever why this couldn't be a legitimate possibility. What do we as Browns fan's have to lose?


edit: Besides, with the low TV ratins and lack of attendance, I think a large amount of folks would turn out to see Troy try to lead this squad.
I know I would, and don't tell me any of you wouldnt either regardless of yoru professional football loyalty's.
 
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Buckeneye;1617249; said:
I understand where some feel Troy coming to Cleveland would be a death sentence. But as many feel he's nothing more than a career backup; I think he'd be great playing as the hometown hero type starter.
(Bernie anyone?) He has heart, character, ability, and a deep connection with the people of this State. - He's a football player, its simple.
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Quinn is similarly from central Ohio, he made it known he wanted to play for Cleveland. How many professionals can say they would rather play in Cleveland than anywhere else?

I'm not saying I wouldn't want to see Troy play for Cleveland, I think it would be a good fit and would like to see him play, but I'm not sure how much better off the team would be. Worse, playing for Cleveland could damage his career more than anything right now. Peyton Manning wouldn't fare much better with this offense, same as the comments people made about Montana starting for today's Browns in his prime. Troy is more mobile, which would help a bit, but he doesn't really have any playmakers around him and the offensive line is bad, thats the main concern here.

Anderson was the worst QB in the league this year when he was the starter, only a short few years ago he was considered decent and lead the team to a promising season when stone hands wasn't dropping as many balls, Winslow was playing ball, and the offensive line was opening holes for Jamal Lewis who felt he had something to prove. What I'm trying to say, don't condemn Troy to this purgatory, at least in Baltimore he's one snap away from starting for a decent team.
 
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Buckeneye;1617249; said:
Really? Never once did I hear that nor see it... Some examples would be nice.
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Watch video on him. He has always had an exaggerated wind up. This isn't new news. It's been one of the biggest sticking points of criticism on him since his draft evaluations.

So is the leading candidate for the NFL MVP...and no, I'm not talking about Farve.
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Exception, not the rule.



He's shown solid accuracy and decent touch, more so than Cleveland's current starting QB's. - aside from spot duty and preseason though, he's never been giving the opportunity to impress. But when he did get some snaps, many people outside of Buckeye nation were watching.
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I've always read questions on his accuracy in preseason blogs. That and the release thing have been the criticisms I saw.



Likewise, but I still see a better leader and QB than the garbage our team is stuck with now.

I understand where some feel Troy coming to Cleveland would be a death sentence. But as many feel he's nothing more than a career backup; I think he'd be great playing as the hometown hero type starter.
(Bernie anyone?) He has heart, character, ability, and a deep connection with the people of this State. - He's a football player, its simple.

I believe Troy would perfer to be starting for Cleveland than a backup anywhere else. If this draft is solid, we can start to focus on cleaning up the Oline, solidifying a remotely decent defense and get a couple players on offense, I see no reason what-so-ever why this couldn't be a legitimate possibility. What do we as Browns fan's have to lose?


edit: Besides, with the low TV ratins and lack of attendance, I think a large amount of folks would turn out to see Troy try to lead this squad.
I know I would, and don't tell me any of you wouldnt either regardless of yoru professional football loyalty's.
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Well, to each his own. I just don't think Troy would do much more in Cleveland than DA or Quinn other than being a good human interest story. I think he'll possibly carve out a nice career as a backup. But, throw him into the fire, where pretty much any qb is guaranteed to fail right now, and that's the film his potential suitors would have on him. So yeah, I see it as career suicide. I'd love to be wrong, and on the slim shot he would end up in Cleveland, I'm sure a small part of me would smile, but I just don't see how it really benefits either side.
 
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jwinslow;1617212; said:
1. Denver has one of the worst pass defenses in the league.
2. Cleveland is awful
3. Pittsburgh is a shell of themselves without Troy. These recent performances are pretty inexcusable:
... a. Gradkowski = 300 yds 3 td 0 int
... b. Cassel = 250 yds 2 td 0 int. He's been poor in 5 of the other 6 most recent games.
... c. They did shut down Palmer, which was very good
... d. They shut down Orton, which most teams are doing lately.
... e. The only other good QBs they faced were Rivers (258 yds 3 td 0 int) & Favre (334 yds 0 td 1 int)

That is half the list. Those are 3 teams that are vulnerable for a good quarterback. Flacco is not a good QB at this point.
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Denver's pass defense is excellent.

2009 NFL Team Passing Stats - National Football League - ESPN
NFL Stats: Team

Top 2 in terms of yardage, top 5 in sacks, top 9 in opponent QB rating, top 2 in passing YPG. The only thing they're average in are INTs.

I agree about Pittsburgh, but they're still middle of the pack. Cleveland is the only team I'd consider bad on that list.

Doesn't matter though. Flacco has shown improvement over last year on the field, not so much on the stat sheet. I've been able to watch him numerous times this year and came away impressed. He's a solid QB in his second year.

I'd love to see Troy get a shot.. but I believe Baltimore has found its QB for the future.
 
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jwinslow;1617490; said:
Huh, I looked up their stats a few weeks ago and remembered them being about 29th in pass d.
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All good. :tongue2:

I was actually a little surprised that their pass defense was that good. One of my best friends is a huge Denver fan, so I follow them somewhat.. but I was a little surprised.
 
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jwinslow;1617490; said:
Huh, I looked up their stats a few weeks ago and remembered them being about 29th in pass d.
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Of course they moved up to 2nd. They got to play against Flacco. They would have dropped to 37th if Troy had been QB'ing the Ravens.
 
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Buckeneye;1617249; said:
Really? Never once did I hear that nor see it... Some examples would be nice.




So is the leading candidate for the NFL MVP...and no, I'm not talking about Farve.



He's shown solid accuracy and decent touch, more so than Cleveland's current starting QB's. - aside from spot duty and preseason though, he's never been giving the opportunity to impress. But when he did get some snaps, many people outside of Buckeye nation were watching.



Likewise, but I still see a better leader and QB than the garbage our team is stuck with now.

I understand where some feel Troy coming to Cleveland would be a death sentence. But as many feel he's nothing more than a career backup; I think he'd be great playing as the hometown hero type starter.
(Bernie anyone?) He has heart, character, ability, and a deep connection with the people of this State. - He's a football player, its simple.

I believe Troy would perfer to be starting for Cleveland than a backup anywhere else. If this draft is solid, we can start to focus on cleaning up the Oline, solidifying a remotely decent defense and get a couple players on offense, I see no reason what-so-ever why this couldn't be a legitimate possibility. What do we as Browns fan's have to lose?


edit: Besides, with the low TV ratins and lack of attendance, I think a large amount of folks would turn out to see Troy try to lead this squad.
I know I would, and don't tell me any of you wouldnt either regardless of yoru professional football loyalty's.
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I agree. No one has ever been able to explain to me why they think he's not a good pro qb. He seemed to have all the intangibles in college (I'm aware that they are two different games. I just want some explanation).
 
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Wow, I have never heard of this "monster flaw in Troy's slow Delivery"

This is Drew Bree's delivery.
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4u9iFxnCp4]YouTube - 2008: Best of Drew Brees[/ame]

This is Troy Smiths

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xl1_0-TWwII]YouTube - Troy Smith Highlights[/ame]

Excuse me for asking. But WTF are you talking about? I haven't read anything ever talking about Troys slow delivery ever.
Erratic accuracy yes, but he improved that in the nfl in the last 2 years.
 
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Buckin Crazy;1619499; said:
Wow, I have never heard of this "monster flaw in Troy's slow Delivery"

This is Drew Bree's delivery.
YouTube - 2008: Best of Drew Brees

This is Troy Smiths

YouTube - Troy Smith Highlights

Excuse me for asking. But WTF are you talking about? I haven't read anything ever talking about Troys slow delivery ever.
Erratic accuracy yes, but he improved that in the nfl in the last 2 years.
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Troy's delivery has been under scrutiny. He has an elongated delivery. I still think he can be successful in the right situation. I became a believer watching him in pre-season this year. He looked very sharp, and beyond that, his pocket presence was terrific. He escaped when he needed to, but he was positioning himself to make strong throws.

A lot of analysts say Tom Brady is the most mobile QB in the NFL, and they're right. Brady certainly isn't escaping the pocket, but he slides so damn well its ridiculous. The guy positions himself in the pocket, to be able to step into his throws almost every single time. I thought Troy really developed that over the off-season from what I saw in pre-season. It's really too bad he came down with the illness when he did. I think he has a lot of traits necessary to be a good NFL QB.
 
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I have a hard time finding any comparisons between brees and smith..People are gasping for any comparison to make Troy seem better then he is. The Ravens aren't keeping him on the bench to piss off ohio state fans..That's reality.
 
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