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QB Troy Smith (2006 Heisman Trophy Winner)

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I only need to see TS with 0 picks in 2 starts and that 4th quarter out pass to Holmes to realize he's a better option than JZ. JZ could not make that pass. I'm not crowning TS a stud, but , with virtually zero chance to show anything, he's done ok. The fumble was his fault because he held it too long.

The play where he started running but stopped and completed the pass was a sign that he's not going to go SB on us.

I would like to see more runs outside of the tackles by the RB.
 
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I hate to say it Ronfel but your wrong. The QB is the most important position on the field. His leadership out on the field dictates how a team will perform. We were a fumble and 3 stupid holding penalties away from beating PSU the #7 defense in the country 35-7.

Anybody that has ever played football will tell you that the most important position is QB. How many times has a great team had their starting QB hurt and went on a losing streak because of it. Look at Stanton of MSU. They have been rolling with this guy as their QB. They had a 17 point lead on Michigan then he gets hurt and they fall apart.

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Ronfel... you must've missed the giant thread about certain player(s) being "disliked" by thier teammate(s). If the team isn't gelling then there isn't gonna be much confidence in the team as a whole. What were the "number of changes" that you are talking about? I can only think of a few and those are TS starting, Lydell not playing (but he would play if he werent in trouble), and rotating the young guys on the OL.
 
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I didn't miss the thread, just because someone "claims" they heard something from a player dosen't make it so. Even if it's true, how many guys in 2002 do you think felt like that about MC? In addition to the changes you mentioned the play calling has changed as has the blocking. And if some players don't go all out because they don't agree who the coach selects as a starter, then the real problem is not who the QB is, but the fact we have a coach who has no control over the team.

Now I can't empirically prove that we are running the ball better because Lydell isn't the featured back, or that the blocking has improved because we've shuffled the lineup or worked on technique, or that Ron Earhardt's consulting with the staff didn't help change the play calling or the fact we've played two of the worst teams in the conference the past two weeks, anymore than you can state with certainty and that the real reason we won the past two games because Troy was QB and not JZ.

Indiana has the worst rated defense in the country, or did when we played them, and we had, I believe, about 250 yards total offense, and, while PSU has a good defense, we "rolled up" 160 yards against them. I don't believe for a moment that Zwick wouldn't have put up numbers at least as good. Zwick did much better against NCSU and Marshall who have defenses on par with PSU.
 
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brutus2002 said:
I hate to say it Ronfel but your wrong. The QB is the most important position on the field. His leadership out on the field dictates how a team will perform. We were a fumble and 3 stupid holding penalties away from beating PSU the #7 defense in the country 35-7.

Anybody that has ever played football will tell you that the most important position is QB. How many times has a great team had their starting QB hurt and went on a losing streak because of it. Look at Stanton of MSU. They have been rolling with this guy as their QB. They had a 17 point lead on Michigan then he gets hurt and they fall apart.

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Smith has the opportunity to shut all the nay sayers mouths completely and permantely shut. It will take an open play book and plays by Smith to beat MSU @ sparty stadium this saturday.

OSU couldn't shut down the running game of PSU who is pathetic at rush offense. Penn State is ranked 82nd rushing the ball averaging 126 a game... they ran for 177 against us....... Michigan State is 11th in the nation rushing the ball, 11th. Big, big difference they average 232 yards per game and SHREDED michigan for almost 400 rushing yards..... that should scare the crap out of you as a buckeye fan.

Look, its unlikely that the defense is going to be able to shut down MSU. They have to slow them down though.....not allow the home run from the rushing attack. We cant allow them to have long, long runs..... The buckeye offense is going to have to step up and make plays and score TOUCHDOWNS. We simply can't have the offense stall on a drive and kick FG's and look to the defense to bail out the offense this week. In fact for the remainder of the season (including any bowl game should we become bowl eligible) the offense is going to have to step up and score points. The offensive line is going to have to create creases for Pittman and Hall to run through. They are going to have to sustain blocks to give Troy time to go through his progressions. Holmes has to stop dropping balls that hit him in the hands. Ted Ginn has to stop dropping passes that hit him in the hands too. Troy has to make excellent decisions about when to tuck the ball and run.... IF those things happen we have a real shot at winning out... It all starts vs MSU.... if the Offense delievers and the buckeyes win, that will build huge amounts of confidence.... Purdue at Purdue will be another stern challenge that will require an open play book. IMHO even if by some off the wall chance the bucks get up 14-0 like the did vs PSU the offense the defense will face are too balanced and dynamic to go into the tressel ball shell.
If the buckeyes go 2-0 over the next 2 weeks, I really like our chances vs Michigan. I dont see michigan losing a game prior to the annual showdown and they may well be ranked in the top 5. They will come in thinking the buckeyes have "no shot" this will play right into the buckeyes hands..... As much as michigan fans like to clammer about there great defense, I think we will have success moving the ball on there defense. I also think we have an advantage in almost every facet of the special teams area. In if we beat MSU, I like the buckeyes chances of going 3-0 and a january 1 bowl game.
 
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ronfel said:
I didn't miss the thread, just because someone "claims" they heard something from a player dosen't make it so. Even if it's true, how many guys in 2002 do you think felt like that about MC? In addition to the changes you mentioned the play calling has changed as has the blocking. And if some players don't go all out because they don't agree who the coach selects as a starter, then the real problem is not who the QB is, but the fact we have a coach who has no control over the team.

Now I can't empirically prove that we are running the ball better because Lydell isn't the featured back, or that the blocking has improved because we've shuffled the lineup or worked on technique, or that Ron Earhardt's consulting with the staff didn't help change the play calling or the fact we've played two of the worst teams in the conference the past two weeks, anymore than you can state with certainty and that the real reason we won the past two games because Troy was QB and not JZ..
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Ronfel--
Wow, the buckeyes get no credit for playing IU because as you put it "Indiana has the worst rated defense in the country or did when we played them, and we had, I believe, about 250 yards total offense, and, while PSU has a good defense, we "rolled up" 160 yards against them."
Boy you are wrong on almost everything you said in that sentence. IU is not the worst defense in the country. That Honor belongs to Army. IU stinks in total defense.... they are 106. OSU didnt not have 250 yards total yards on offense They had 443. OSU didnt have 160 against PSU either they had 202 total yards. PSU isnt good on defense they are GREAT top 10 in fact.... Your post can be distilled into a very simple sentence.... OSU offense sucks because they only rolled up yards against a very bad defense....and they suck becuase they didnt roll up as many yards agaisnt one of the nations best defesnes...
Indiana has the worst rated defense in the country, or did when we played them, and we had, I believe, about 250 yards total offense, and, while PSU has a good defense, we "rolled up" 160 yards against them. I don't believe for a moment that Zwick wouldn't have put up numbers at least as good. Zwick did much better against NCSU and Marshall who have defenses on par with PSU
 
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Ronfel... the whole point of my post was to point out the fact that the team IS working together better now than what they were when JZ was the starter. I am not blaming him for this but it's painfully obvious that something wasn't clicking from the beginning of the NWern game until last week. I also don't think that the playcalling has changed at all. JT is always conservative until he can't afford to be any longer. Why would he want to air it out on saturday with a 14 point lead and take the chance of having a pass picked and PSU potentially get points as a result?
 
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Zwick did much better against NCSU and Marshall who have defenses on par with PSU
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Not to nitpick but Smith had 85 yards total offense against Penn St. and was 6 of 8 passing. Zwick had 75 yards total offense and was 10 of 21 against NCSU. Both were similar games in that we got an early lead and JT shut the offense down.
 
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Someone said it just alittle while back and that they were impressed with Saturdays performance on offense. I totally Agree, when we had the ball we not only converted on 7-11 on third downs but also moved the ball on the ground and when Troy was given the chance to throw well he did just that. Now maybe not in points we didn't do well, but thats due to turnovers, and that missed field goal. The Offense had 17 points taken from them (guessing the two drives we screwed up on would be TD's). You put that with the score they had and you have 24 points which in my mind is awesome against Penn State's Defense. The reason I say we get Touchdowns on those two drives is simple. We were driving the ball and moving the chains, and at times I would catch myself feeling comfortable on 3rd down knowing we'd get the First down and I havne't done that in very long time. While we didn't exactly put the big numbers and points up you have to include the field position we got, time of possession, and also as well as our Defenses performance. For you guys who say our defense can't stay on the field read what Dustin Fox had to say. He was frustrated after the game because our defense couldn't stop the run. Right now I think our offenses is by far so much better than the Iowa week, and if we get the turnover thing fixed we'll put those points up with Troy at QB.

Also I like Dionte Johnson!!! hell of a blocker!!
 
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wdg01 said:
Not to nitpick but Smith had 85 yards total offense against Penn St. and was 6 of 8 passing. Zwick had 75 yards total offense and was 10 of 21 against NCSU. Both were similar games in that we got an early lead and JT shut the offense down.
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Hmmm well 6-8= .75 10-21=.476

Frankly, the bottom line is the offense LOOKS better. Other than NCST, penn state has the best rush defense the buckeyes have seen thus far. NCST's rush defense is 22nd and PSU is 31st. Vs NSCT the bucks managed 91 rushing yards on 40 carries for a paltry 2.2 ypc Vs PSU they averaged 4 yards per carry. That is a DRAMATIC improvement from the NCST with simlarly ranked rush defenses.

Any way you cut the cheese.... Zwick had become utterly ineffective His last Touchdown drive was in the 4th quarter of the Northwestern game. In 5 3/4 games Zwick under center had the bucks averaging 19.65 points per game.

Since Smith has been under center they are averaging almost 26. By the way, I graciously included a TD drive Smith had and credited it to Zwick... if I back out that drive Zwick under center is under 18 pts per game.

Look, I was a HUGE Zwick fan. I thought he would end up re-writing the OSU record books for a quarterback. But the bottom line is I cant find anything when I really dig that shows me that Smith isnt better in every facet of the game. His completion percentage is better. His Td/INT ratio is MUCH better. He is a much more dangerous runner. Were that not enough, it is crystal clear that the TEAM responds better to Troy.....
 
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