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QB Troy Smith (2006 Heisman Trophy Winner)

Smith's progression is defintiely noticeable as he is now getting to a stage where we can feel more comfortable with him as a passer. I saw him look off the defense a few times in this game instead of staring the reciever down. The roll out play where he threw the final TD to Holmes was one where he probably would have ran in the past but he kept his eyes downfield. Finally he showed he was a warrior out there by battling the hit on the chin and still taking control in the second half. He now moved to 12th in passer rating with this last weeks 3 TD no int performance.
 
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There is a minimum as to how many passes a QB must throw in order to be included on that list.

I'm making this based on the assumption that at least one backup quarterback from one of the 117 DIA teams has thrown one pass and completed one pass, giving him a 100% passing rate.
 
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It was kind of a joke. (but they don't appear to filter these statistics in other areas, hence "kind of")

For example, marvel at how effective Rafael Little's kickoff return average is and look who OSUs best return man is...

<table class="cnnContent" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"> <tbody><tr><td colspan="7" class="cnnTitle">KICKOFF RETURN</td> </tr> <tr class="cnnHeader"> <td class="cnnLeft" colspan="2" style="padding-left: 27px;">Name</td> <td class="cnnLeft">Team</td> <td class="cnnHeader">.Ret</td> <td class="cnnHeader">.Yds</td> <td class="cnnHeader">.TD</td> <td class="cnnHeaderRed cnnEndCell">.Avg.</td> </tr> <tr class="cnnData1"> <td>1.</td> <td class="cnnLeft"> Rafael Little <!--%= player.getFirstName()%--> <!--%= player.getLastName() %--> </td> <td class="cnnLeft">Kentucky</td> <td class="cnnData1">1</td> <td class="cnnData1">99</td> <td class="cnnData1">1</td> <td class="cnnData1 cnnHighlight1 cnnEndCell">99.0</td> </tr> <tr class="cnnData2"> <td>2.</td> <td class="cnnLeft"> LaRod Stephens <!--%= player.getFirstName()%--> <!--%= player.getLastName() %--> </td> <td class="cnnLeft">Pittsburgh</td> <td class="cnnData2">1</td> <td class="cnnData2">95</td> <td class="cnnData2">1</td> <td class="cnnData2 cnnHighlight2 cnnEndCell">95.0</td> </tr> <tr class="cnnData1"> <td>3.</td> <td class="cnnLeft"> Aaron Kelly <!--%= player.getFirstName()%--> <!--%= player.getLastName() %--> </td> <td class="cnnLeft">Clemson</td> <td class="cnnData1">1</td> <td class="cnnData1">81</td> <td class="cnnData1">0</td> <td class="cnnData1 cnnHighlight1 cnnEndCell">81.0</td> </tr> <tr class="cnnData2"> <td>4.</td> <td class="cnnLeft"> Brad Lester <!--%= player.getFirstName()%--> <!--%= player.getLastName() %--> </td> <td class="cnnLeft">Auburn</td> <td class="cnnData2">3</td> <td class="cnnData2">181</td> <td class="cnnData2">1</td> <td class="cnnData2 cnnHighlight2 cnnEndCell">60.3</td> </tr> <tr class="cnnData1"> <td>5.</td> <td class="cnnLeft"> Chris Williams <!--%= player.getFirstName()%--> <!--%= player.getLastName() %--> </td> <td class="cnnLeft">New Mexico State</td> <td class="cnnData1">2</td> <td class="cnnData1">112</td> <td class="cnnData1">1</td> <td class="cnnData1 cnnHighlight1 cnnEndCell">56.0</td> </tr> <tr class="cnnData2"> <td>6.</td> <td class="cnnLeft"> Rodney Kinlaw <!--%= player.getFirstName()%--> <!--%= player.getLastName() %--> </td> <td class="cnnLeft">Penn State</td> <td class="cnnData2">3</td> <td class="cnnData2">167</td> <td class="cnnData2">0</td> <td class="cnnData2 cnnHighlight2 cnnEndCell">55.7</td> </tr> <tr class="cnnData1"> <td>7.</td> <td class="cnnLeft"> Jahkeen Gilmore <!--%= player.getFirstName()%--> <!--%= player.getLastName() %--> </td> <td class="cnnLeft">Indiana</td> <td class="cnnData1">2</td> <td class="cnnData1">94</td> <td class="cnnData1">0</td> <td class="cnnData1 cnnHighlight1 cnnEndCell">47.0</td> </tr> <tr class="cnnData2"> <td>8.</td> <td class="cnnLeft"> Markeith McQueen <!--%= player.getFirstName()%--> <!--%= player.getLastName() %--> </td> <td class="cnnLeft">East Carolina</td> <td class="cnnData2">1</td> <td class="cnnData2">45</td> <td class="cnnData2">0</td> <td class="cnnData2 cnnHighlight2 cnnEndCell">45.0</td> </tr> <tr class="cnnData1"> <td>9.</td> <td class="cnnLeft"> Jimmy Green <!--%= player.getFirstName()%--> <!--%= player.getLastName() %--> </td> <td class="cnnLeft">Colorado State</td> <td class="cnnData1">1</td> <td class="cnnData1">41</td> <td class="cnnData1">0</td> <td class="cnnData1 cnnHighlight1 cnnEndCell">41.0</td> </tr> <tr class="cnnData2"> <td>10.</td> <td class="cnnLeft"> Desmond Reed <!--%= player.getFirstName()%--> <!--%= player.getLastName() %--> </td> <td class="cnnLeft">USC</td> <td class="cnnData2">5</td> <td class="cnnData2">194</td> <td class="cnnData2">0</td> <td class="cnnData2 cnnHighlight2 cnnEndCell">38.8</td> </tr> <tr class="cnnData1"> <td>
</td> <td class="cnnLeft"> Yamon Figurs <!--%= player.getFirstName()%--> <!--%= player.getLastName() %--> </td> <td class="cnnLeft">Kansas State</td> <td class="cnnData1">4</td> <td class="cnnData1">155</td> <td class="cnnData1">1</td> <td class="cnnData1 cnnHighlight1 cnnEndCell">38.8</td> </tr> <tr class="cnnData2"> <td>12.</td> <td class="cnnLeft"> Jonathan Stewart <!--%= player.getFirstName()%--> <!--%= player.getLastName() %--> </td> <td class="cnnLeft">Oregon</td> <td class="cnnData2">5</td> <td class="cnnData2">191</td> <td class="cnnData2">1</td> <td class="cnnData2 cnnHighlight2 cnnEndCell">38.2</td> </tr> <tr class="cnnData1"> <td>13.</td> <td class="cnnLeft"> Keenan Burton <!--%= player.getFirstName()%--> <!--%= player.getLastName() %--> </td> <td class="cnnLeft">Kentucky</td> <td class="cnnData1">5</td> <td class="cnnData1">183</td> <td class="cnnData1">0</td> <td class="cnnData1 cnnHighlight1 cnnEndCell">36.6</td> </tr> <tr class="cnnData2"> <td>14.</td> <td class="cnnLeft"> Cory Rodgers <!--%= player.getFirstName()%--> <!--%= player.getLastName() %--> </td> <td class="cnnLeft">TCU</td> <td class="cnnData2">11</td> <td class="cnnData2">401</td> <td class="cnnData2">2</td> <td class="cnnData2 cnnHighlight2 cnnEndCell">36.5</td> </tr> <tr class="cnnData1"> <td>15.</td> <td class="cnnLeft"> Darrell Blackman <!--%= player.getFirstName()%--> <!--%= player.getLastName() %--> </td> <td class="cnnLeft">North Carolina State</td> <td class="cnnData1">13</td> <td class="cnnData1">448</td> <td class="cnnData1">0</td> <td class="cnnData1 cnnHighlight1 cnnEndCell">34.5</td> </tr> <tr class="cnnData2"> <td>16.</td> <td class="cnnLeft"> Larry Taylor <!--%= player.getFirstName()%--> <!--%= player.getLastName() %--> </td> <td class="cnnLeft">Connecticut</td> <td class="cnnData2">5</td> <td class="cnnData2">171</td> <td class="cnnData2">0</td> <td class="cnnData2 cnnHighlight2 cnnEndCell">34.2</td> </tr> <tr class="cnnData1"> <td>17.</td> <td class="cnnLeft"> Malcolm Jenkins <!--%= player.getFirstName()%--> <!--%= player.getLastName() %--> </td> <td class="cnnLeft">Ohio State</td> <td class="cnnData1">1</td> <td class="cnnData1">34</td> <td class="cnnData1">0</td> <td class="cnnData1 cnnHighlight1 cnnEndCell">34.0</td></tr></tbody> </table>
 
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Can you imagine if Baker didn't give Smith $500

Just look at Smith's improving proformances. If he plays in the Alamo Bowl last year and is #1 in the spring and #1 in fall camp and plays against Miami, I believe we beat Texas and Penn State and are headed for the Rose Bowl. I hope Baker never steps foot in the Shoe again. Once again, as with MoC, the almighty dollar in these young kids face, together with a lack of adults to guide, has led our team away from true greatness it deserves. It is possible we could have NC's in '02, '03 and '05. How about that for a dynasty. Oh Well, maybe someone will learn a lesson from this. I hope I am not rehashing a dead subject, just that it hit me watching TS progress as a QB as to where we might be.
 
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Cleveland PD

OHIO STATE FOOTBALL
Smith's efficiency plenty sufficient


Wednesday, November 02, 2005Doug Lesmerises
Plain Dealer Reporter
Columbus- Passing efficiency incorporates all the statistics that quantify a quarterback's success: attempts, completions, yardage, touchdowns and interceptions.
"I don't think anybody understands it except the guy who comes up with it," Ohio State receiver Anthony Gonzalez said.
The equation reveals something about the play of a quarterback that goes beyond how prolific he is, beyond just deep throws or a crazy number of touchdowns. It helps identify the quarterbacks that get it done within the framework of their offenses.
Nationally, Virginia Tech's Marcus Vick, USC's Matt Leinart, UCLA's Drew Olson, Michigan State's Drew Stanton, Texas' Vince Young, Notre Dame's Brady Quinn and Bowling Green's Omar Jacobs are all among the top 10.
When it comes to Big Ten play, in conference games where everyone is on equal footing, it's not Stanton who ranks first in passing efficiency. It's not Iowa's Drew Tate or Northwestern's Brett Basanez or Penn State's Michael Robinson.
It's the man who has been watching extra film after practice on Tuesdays, sessions which have made him unavailable to speak with reporters about his progress that has changed this offense. We don't know what Troy Smith would say about his standing as the most efficient passer in the league.
We do know how he might say it - calmly. Coaches and teammates have noticed a change in Smith, who has never been afraid to lead in his way, to demand more from himself and those on the field with him. If he may have been a bit too quick to point out the errors of teammates in the past, that doesn't seem to happen as often anymore.
"He used to get down on himself for not making plays or on receivers for not catching the ball or linemen for not blocking," receiver Santonio Holmes said. "He doesn't do that now. He goes to the sideline, and he thinks more about what he has to do than what other guys have to do."
That time in the film room may have something to do with it.
"The game is starting to slow down for him," receivers coach Darrell Hazell said. "He's seeing things better, and a lot of that has to be contributed to watching more film and studying the game a little bit more. He's been a much more calm player the last few weeks than he was early in the season. He's really starting to relax."

As Smith has come around, so has the offense. Holmes admitted he wondered early in the season if the Buckeyes' offense would ever straighten out. When Ohio State hosts Illinois on Saturday, there should be no worries about whether the offense will score enough points. Coach Jim Tressel admits the past two wins against Indiana and Minnesota haven't been against the toughest defenses in the conference. The Buckeyes aren't looking better only because the quality of the opponents has diminished.
"At some point, you have to say that we're a good offense," Gonzalez said. "[We've had] three straight weeks of 35 points or more, so this offense is picking up steam. And I feel like the coaches are giving us more freedom, not that they were hampering us. But you feel like not only are we performing well, but they are seeing that and they want us to take that next step. And maybe that step is mental, because physically, we had it."
The freedom can be seen in what Smith does at the line of scrimmage. Gonzalez said that against Minnesota, for the first time this season, Smith was given the option to check to a run or pass play once the Buckeyes lined up and he read the defense. Smith did it several times - including once calling for a pass and hitting Gonzalez for a touchdown.
"As he becomes more comfortable, maybe the coaches are becoming more comfortable trusting him more with more decisions," Gonzalez said. "And he's making great decisions, which is nice."
Tressel said that comfort may be coming later in the year due in part to Smith's suspension for taking money from a booster, which cost him the Alamo Bowl last year, the first game of this season and, as a result, some valuable practice time.
"He went through a period from December, really, through the first game where he didn't get to saddle up behind the center the whole time and do it every day, every snap," Tressel said.
Watching Smith now, was a slower climb to this level of play this season the unseen part of that penalty?
"I suppose you could draw that discussion or argument or whatever," Tressel said, "but [there's] nothing we can do about it because you have to do what is the right thing to do and go from there."
On the field, Tressel has seen what Smith has done right the past three weeks. He hopes to see it more against the Illini, when Smith will be fully recovered from the tackle that left him with a headache and gash in his chin at Minnesota.
Even if the formula is complicated, Tressel knows what Smith's passing efficiency, which also has him ranked 12th in the nation in all his games, means to the Buckeyes.
"What it says to me is that's why we're contending," Tressel said. "If he remains a top guy passing efficiency-wise, then we will contend. I think it's not a surprise or a coincidence that that's the case."
 
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Interesting that Troy is first in passing efficiency (for conference games only), when those stats don't even count his rushing yards.

How many people realize that Troy's TD/interception ratio for all games this year is better than Leinart's, Vick's, and Stanton's?
 
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Interesting that Troy is first in passing efficiency (for conference games only), when those stats don't even count his rushing yards.

How many people realize that Troy's TD/interception ratio for all games this year is better than Leinart's, Vick's, and Stanton's?

wow..i didnt know that..nice post..

and i have to agree, you can just look at smith and see how much he has grown up over the past couple of games..he really is coming in to form, and turning in to the quarterback we all wanted him to be..i would love nothing more than a performance like he had against scUM last year, again this year..like the old saying goes, "there's not a better sound in the world than a quiet big house"
 
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<TABLE class=bgBdr cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=2 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR class=bgC align=middle><TD align=left>Troy Smith</TD><TD>83</TD><TD>139</TD><TD>1265</TD><TD>59.7</TD><TD>9.1</TD><TD>10</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>155.6</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE class=bgBdr cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=2 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR class=bgC align=middle><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE class=bgBdr cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=2 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR class=bgC align=middle><TD align=left>Matt Leinart</TD><TD>169</TD><TD>258</TD><TD>2512</TD><TD>65.5</TD><TD>9.7</TD><TD>19</TD><TD>6</TD><TD>166.9</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
<TABLE class=bgBdr cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=2 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR class=bgC align=middle><TD align=left>Drew Stanton</TD><TD>162</TD><TD>243</TD><TD>2284</TD><TD>66.7</TD><TD>9.4</TD><TD>18</TD><TD>7</TD><TD>164.3</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

<TABLE class=bgBdr cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=2 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR class=bgC align=middle><TD align=left>Marcus Vick</TD><TD>109</TD><TD>158</TD><TD>1534</TD><TD>69.0</TD><TD>9.7</TD><TD>11</TD><TD>5</TD><TD>167.2</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

bb73, i think your statement is a little misleading. leinart and stanton both have double the attempts, double the completions, close to double the yards, and are a hair away from double the td's. leinart is a whole 1 td away from being double everything ts has done except running the ball. when you factor in bush and white's rushing yards it more than eclipses pittman and smith so even the rushing portion is a no win. not to mention all three have better qb ratings...

lets try and keep in mind who our last few W's came against before we renew any 90 ft tall shrines to all things troy smith k? illinois is a scrimmage, nw's d isn't exactly all world, and scum is no better than they were last year. the last defense we played was psu. unless we play someone with a decent d in the bowl... judging the "growth" of our offense is going to be a hit or miss proposition. try and remember how "prolific" we all thought our offense was going to be like after the scum game last year at the begining of this one.

not trying to piss on anyones scarlet colored glasses. its just after the offensive let down we all witnessed this season its a little tougher for me to get my hopes up and a lot easier for me to see things that raise conscerns.
 
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There is a minimum as to how many passes a QB must throw in order to be included on that list.

I'm making this based on the assumption that at least one backup quarterback from one of the 117 DIA teams has thrown one pass and completed one pass, giving him a 100% passing rate.

Well, if there is a minimum, it's very low. Check out the stats on the guy who's #18:

Ethan Flatt (Mississippi) 1 game, 17 attempts, 11 completions, 64.7%
 
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<TABLE class=bgBdr cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=2 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR class=bgC align=middle><TD align=left>Troy Smith</TD><TD>83</TD><TD>139</TD><TD>1265</TD><TD>59.7</TD><TD>9.1</TD><TD>10</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>155.6</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE class=bgBdr cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=2 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR class=bgC align=middle><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE class=bgBdr cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=2 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR class=bgC align=middle><TD align=left>Matt Leinart</TD><TD>169</TD><TD>258</TD><TD>2512</TD><TD>65.5</TD><TD>9.7</TD><TD>19</TD><TD>6</TD><TD>166.9</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
<TABLE class=bgBdr cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=2 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR class=bgC align=middle><TD align=left>Drew Stanton</TD><TD>162</TD><TD>243</TD><TD>2284</TD><TD>66.7</TD><TD>9.4</TD><TD>18</TD><TD>7</TD><TD>164.3</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

<TABLE class=bgBdr cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=2 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR class=bgC align=middle><TD align=left>Marcus Vick</TD><TD>109</TD><TD>158</TD><TD>1534</TD><TD>69.0</TD><TD>9.7</TD><TD>11</TD><TD>5</TD><TD>167.2</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

bb73, i think your staement is a whole lot of misleading. leinart and stanton both have double the attempts, double the completions, close to double the yards, and are a hair away from double the td's. leinart is a whole 1 td away from being double everything ts has done except running the ball. when you factor in bush and white's rushing yards it more than eclipses pittman and smith so even the rushing portion is a no win. not to mention all three have better qb ratings...

lets try and keep in mind who our last few W's came against before we renew any 90 ft tall shrines to all things troy smith k? illinois is a scrimmage, nw's d isn't exactly all world, and scum is no better than they were last year. the last defense we played was psu. unless we play someone with a decent d in the bowl... judging the "growth" of our offense is going to be a hit or miss proposition. try and remember how "prolific" we all thought our offense was going to be like after the scum game last year at the begining of this one.

not trying to piss on anyones scarlet colored glasses. its just after the offensive let down we all witnessed this season its a little tougher for me to get my hopes up and a lot easier for me to see things that raise conscerns.
I don't see how his statement is misleading. Troy Smith has a better TD/INT ration than the QB's he named. You can't argue that. How many great D's has Leinart faced? Young? Stanton? 0, 1, and 1?
He made a simple statement that Troy Smith's numbers are better than people may think. That he doesn't throw the ball as much doesn't change anything, and the fact that USC's running backs run for a lot of yards is pointless. It's a ratio.
 
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<TABLE class=bgBdr cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=2 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR class=bgC align=middle><TD align=left>Troy Smith</TD><TD>83</TD><TD>139</TD><TD>1265</TD><TD>59.7</TD><TD>9.1</TD><TD>10</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>155.6</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE class=bgBdr cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=2 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR class=bgC align=middle><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE class=bgBdr cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=2 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR class=bgC align=middle><TD align=left>Matt Leinart</TD><TD>169</TD><TD>258</TD><TD>2512</TD><TD>65.5</TD><TD>9.7</TD><TD>19</TD><TD>6</TD><TD>166.9</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
<TABLE class=bgBdr cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=2 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR class=bgC align=middle><TD align=left>Drew Stanton</TD><TD>162</TD><TD>243</TD><TD>2284</TD><TD>66.7</TD><TD>9.4</TD><TD>18</TD><TD>7</TD><TD>164.3</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

<TABLE class=bgBdr cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=2 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR class=bgC align=middle><TD align=left>Marcus Vick</TD><TD>109</TD><TD>158</TD><TD>1534</TD><TD>69.0</TD><TD>9.7</TD><TD>11</TD><TD>5</TD><TD>167.2</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

bb73, i think your staement is a whole lot of misleading. leinart and stanton both have double the attempts, double the completions, close to double the yards, and are a hair away from double the td's.

My statement was "Troy's TD/interception ratio for all games this year is better" than those other 3 QB's. That's a mathematical fact. If you consider mathematical facts to be 'a whole lot of misleading', whatever that means, I guess you're entitled to that opinion.

If you think I'm leaving out certain facts because I'm pro-Smith or something, here's a post I put in the Illinois game thread about an hour ago, after a posted article stated that Smith was "leading the big 10 in passing efficiency":

Just to clarify this quote in the article.

Smith leads Big-10 QB's in passing efficiency for stats counting only conference games.

Troy's 12th in the nation overall, and Stanton has a better rating when all of the season's games are included.<!-- / message --><!-- sig -->
 
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