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QB Tathan Martell (transfer to Miami, transfer to UNLV)

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Woody1968 said:
I believe he is seeking the waiver on the basis of the coaching change. I think it is a pretty weak ass argument - IMO.
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There must be something with how they talked him out of transferring in the fall. Maybe he has some proof of promises made and with the coaching change they were broken. The argument can be made that he wasted most of the year sitting anyways because they convince him to stay.
 
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Woody1968 said:
Saying something looks bad is always going to be subjective. I don't see why that is so difficult for some people to understand, or why they feel the need to try to shout other people down because they think it looks bad. Comes across very Pedo State like.
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I hardly feel like anyone is shutting you down on that. Frankly, I see everyone asking for clarification and giving you significant runway to explain what, specifically, makes it look bad beyond continued use of "it's a bad look." The fact that there's clearly a number of people who don't follow your line of argument suggests that it might not be communicated adequately as opposed to disagreement. Disagreement would be identified as "you're wrong..." or "that's stupid." I'm not sure that I've seen much evidence of that. At most, I believe there have been examples of what I think we all would agree are really bad looks (e.g. OU and the PSU portal numbers).

From our exchange, the best I can make of your argument is the 'public nature' in which this has transpired. While I'm still confused how the public nature of a transfer is, by itself, a bad look, I leave that to your opinion. What I've still not seen addressed is any concrete support for anything that the program did that would reflect poorly on them... And that may be the root of things. If your definition of a bad look is "anything non-favorable about the program that is public information" then you're entitled to that position. In this case, I'm not even convinced that this is 'non-favorable' for the program... but that's my opinion.
 
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My take on all of this is that I really don’t care why or how it came about but Tate’s chosen the right place/culture for him. Nowhere else prizes “style” over substance quite like Cryami. Tate’s clearly a wannabe gangster and he’s found a home. Burrow provided the template for how something like this should be handled. Tate was too much of a child to follow it. Hit the books, get the credits, work hard and develop and then be qb1 at tOSU or elsewhere as a grad. That was, clearly, too much for DJ T-Mart and his entitled need for instantaneous gratification. So be it.
 
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Woody1968 said:
I actually agree with this 100%. My point is that by seeking a waiver, it makes it look as if he may have been told after he shot his mouth off, that he did not have a good chance of starting.
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Or alternatively, he should have kept his fingers out of the twitters before he knew where the fuck he stood in the QB room?

Overconfidence effect, much?

(Tate, not you)
 
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Thank you @Woody1968 for explaining your position today. Until this morning I had little clue why you saw something negative here. In light of the fact that transfers have exploded this year, and big-name quarterbacks who are frankly, much bigger names than Tate, it would appear from outsiders perspective that this really isn’t a big deal. The fact that major media hasn’t picked this up as a concern is telling. Especially considering they usually pick up any negative news about our team.

It would appear that “it’s all good”.
 
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RugbyBuck said:
My take on all of this is that I really don’t care why or how it came about but Tate’s chosen the right place/culture for him. Nowhere else prizes “style” over substance quite like Cryami. Tate’s clearly a wannabe gangster and he’s found a home. Burrow provided the template for how something like this should be handled. Tate was too much of a child to follow it. Hit the books, get the credits, work hard and develop and then be qb1 at tOSU or elsewhere as a grad. That was, clearly, too much for DJ T-Mart and his entitled need for instantaneous gratification. So be it.
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Stay classy, buckeye nation.
 
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ORD_Buckeye said:
I'm against paying players (but for having a minor league option for them out of high school), but I absolutely think transfer rules are BS. Just open up the floodgates and be done with it. It's not going to change all that much.
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I guess I would be ok with free transferring if they enforced the 25 scholarships per year the way it should be enforced:

Every team should get 25 new scholarship players each season that were not on scholarship last season - period. No playing games with early enrollees, medical hardship, any other BS. That would stop oversigning, allow players to transfer without waivers, but each team would have to carefully manage its roster. I realize that a rash of actual injuries could make things difficult, but those are the breaks and I would prefer to end all of the nonsense of oversigning.
 
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sparcboxbuck said:
Or alternatively, he should have kept his fingers out of the twitters before he knew where the fuck he stood in the QB room?

Overconfidence effect, much?

(Tate, not you)
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I've seen many adult professionals, many of whom actually are quite competent, working for smaller less complex organizations than OSU football overestimate their standing with their boss(es) and/or within the organization and react less than ideally in the short-term when they get an unpleasant and surprising dose of reality. And I doubt that those of us who weren't weaned on Twitter/Snapchat ... really understand how instinctual a form of communication it is for the young people. I've also seen many managers/bosses make their own lives easier in the short-term by not being entirely forthright with employees who may be "overconfident". Point being simply that if that's how things went down, I've got a lot of leeway in my heart for Tate, especially since he's now chilled and seems to be moving on in a positive manner. As far as unfavorable comparisons to Burrow go, Joe's a coach's kid and has likely been hardwired from birth to "trust the coaches" and he also had the benefit of being beaten out by Haskins, whose talent he saw every day and had also put in time at OSU and not some newbie hotshot who, BTW, might be trying to mack on his sister. To steal from Chris Rock, I'm not saying Tate was right, but I understand.
 
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Jagdaddy said:
I've seen many adult professionals, many of whom actually are quite competent, working for smaller less complex organizations than OSU football overestimate their standing with their boss(es) and/or within the organization and react less than ideally in the short-term when they get an unpleasant and surprising dose of reality. And I doubt that those of us who weren't weaned on Twitter/Snapchat ... really understand how instinctual a form of communication it is for the young people. I've also seen many managers/bosses make their own lives easier in the short-term by not being entirely forthright with employees who may be "overconfident". Point being simply that if that's how things went down, I've got a lot of leeway in my heart for Tate, especially since he's now chilled and seems to be moving on in a positive manner. As far as unfavorable comparisons to Burrow go, Joe's a coach's kid and has likely been hardwired from birth to "trust the coaches" and he also had the benefit of being beaten out by Haskins, whose talent he saw every day and had also put in time at OSU and not some newbie hotshot who, BTW, might be trying to mack on his sister. To steal from Chris Rock, I'm not saying Tate was right, but I understand.
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Fair points on the overconfidence effect stuff. There’s a part of me that even wonders if he may not have been fine had he not ran his twitters off without thinking. He may very well have been QB1a/b going into a battle and after the Twitter crap was advised that there wasn’t going to be a place for him with that behavior. Regardless of how natural it may be to reach for the twitters... I can tell you first had as the father of a kid going through college recruiting, everyone — from his club coaches to his HS coaches to the coaches he’s talking with at various schools — emphasizes the importance of keeping a squeaky clean SM image. This is part of the game, if you can’t control yourself, get off the media. And it’s not like this is the first instance. Going back to his HS days and tweeting during a game? So, say what you will... he’s been given council on how to behave and he didn’t handle himself well.

And to be fair, I don’t begrudge the kid. I wish him success when not playing us. But the same way I’d be disappointed with any of my players being stupid on social media, I have the same feeling here.
 
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