QB Kirk Herbstreit (Frosted Quips)

[OH10]

Because the rest of the Big 10 champions did not come through.

You guys love to knock the Big East, Pac 10, Big 12, ACC teams and talk about the loose rules that govern the SEC, their academic standards and their arrogant conference wide pride -- I do too.

But then you also want to crap on Michigan and the rest of the Big 10 and diminish them in terms of what they accomplish and when their failures fail to float Ohio State's status at the end of the season you want to blame it on Herbie and the talking heads at ESPN.

That's bull[Mark May], pure and simple.

And during that discussion of how Ohio State slipped despite a "mighty victory" I somehow end up being "the contrarian."

How about this: You/I, as Buckeye fans, have to have the Bucks come through -- and the last two years they did -- but that has to be accompanied by a strong showing by the rest of the Big 10 top tier.

So I grant you that the Buckeyes upheld their end of the bargain, but the rest of the conference laid a rotten egg this year.

It's simple: The Bucks need conference strength to lend validity to what the Bucks do between September and January. The top tier of the Big 10, minus the Bucks failed to come through. What else are NATIONAL reporters supposed to think?

BTW, that's why I'm always on here suggesting that if the BCS series is going to determine the EOY rankings, then those games need to be "geographically neutral" - a concept the bobble heads in charge of the Big 10 seem to ignore. Witness, no night games in November and our CCG will be played in a building better suited to basketball, rodeos and tractor pulls than football.

SEC!,SEC!, SEC! is not as stupid as many of you seem to think it is. It is an acknowledgement by the collective schools of the fact that any conference team in an OOC/bowl game REPRESENTS the conference.

A Michigan/Illinois/Iowa/MSU/Wisconisn win only adds luster to what the Bucks achieve.

I can't tell you how [censored]ed I am that Wiscy played a miserable game, or that the two Michigan's [Mark May] the sheets -- but if you're a national observer -- as opposed to an Ohio State observer -- you have to take conference performance into consideration -- and if a bogus TCU, BSU, BYU team beats your top tier teams then you have to live with the reality that the polls will reflect that. (go back and look at YOUR reactions to Michigan's losses to App State and Toledo)

Auburn, Alabama & LSU came through while Wisconsin lost to a non BCS team, Michigan State got knocked into the MAC and Michigan played like they wanted to see their coach get fired.

Oh, and with less than two minutes to go and the ball in Arkansas hands on the on the OSU 20 which team did you think was going to win the Sugar Bowl?

The way the Bucks went into a shell and let an 18 point lead melt away, almost to the point of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory, did not elevate their status.

The performance of the rest of the top tier of the conference sealed the deal.

If I'm a contrarian so be it, but in my opinion only the most ardent, myopic supporter could propose anything otherwise.

New rule: The longer and more rambling your argument, the worse it is. Its usually an exercise in defending the indefensible.

I would actually respect Herpie more if he would just come out tell us the real reason he dropped OSU, instead of hiding and claiming he was tired. That's lame. He's not even trying to defend himself, so why are you?

 

[buckeyesin07]

Herbie is more of a Buckeye than anybody on here. People are ridiculous on here sometimes. I've never heard Herbie outright put down a Buckeye. Most of the stuff he said about Pryor is pretty much true. Kid needs to mature and he admitted it his self.

"His self?" Really?

Feel free to read through this thread if you truly have never heard Herbie put down the Buckeye program or any of its players.

 

[FCollinsBuckeye]

Herbie is beginning to remind me of one of those parents who is really hard on their kids - you know the type, blows all of the smallest faults out of proportion, strict disciplinarian, holds their kids to a rediculously high standard - all out of love. Maybe also out of a sense that if *they* themselves were held to such a high standard when they were a child, they would've turned out better/been more successful.

Sadly however, kids of that type of parent often end up resenting the parent....

 

[NFBuck]

Jesse Palmer is an e!spn drone, did you see himgoing out of his way to rip UF when they were having their issues? Same with that little fairie Desmond Howard. Herbie goes out of his way to get little shots in whenever possible. I don't know his reasoning and I don't care, he's a hack. He's also persona-non-grata around the WHAC, so message board fans aren't alone in this feeling.

 

[LordJeffBuck]

Maybe we should just cut down Herbie's tree in the Buckeye Grove. Oh, wait....

Not a factor on the field, not a factor in the booth. Hit the "ignore" button.

 

[Best Buckeye]

1040 posts, mostly of bashing a Buckeye ... Why don't you guys who don't like him just stop watching, listening and talking about him. Start following someone else , like Mark May or Brent.
I mean you have already tried him and found him guilty and hung him so why not just bury him and give the rest of us a break from your whining and boo hooing.
Geezee people.

 

[jlb1705]

Maybe we should just cut down Herbie's tree in the Buckeye Grove. Oh, wait....

Not a factor on the field, not a factor in the booth. Hit the "ignore" button.

I disagree with the "not a factor in the booth" part. His broadcasts have a significant influence over the national discourse on college football...

1040 posts, mostly of bashing a Buckeye ... Why don't you guys who don't like him just stop watching, listening and talking about him. Start following someone else , like Mark May or Brent.
I mean you have already tried him and found him guilty and hung him so why not just bury him and give the rest of us a break from your whining and boo hooing.
Geezee people.

...and that's why it's invoked so many fierce and persistent responses from Buckeye fans and alumni.

In my view, Herbstreit's persistent adversarial stance toward Ohio State and toward individuals on the team erases the distinction he enjoyed with me as a former Buckeye. I think he's placed himself firmly in the company of other ESPN company men like Mark May and Brent Musberger, and deserves to have his bullshit called accordingly. If that's what he wants for his career then good luck to him, but he has eroded my patience for defending him or for special treatment.

BTW, who is this "rest of us" you speak of? Having kept an eye on this discussion, it looks to me like the events of the last few weeks have thinned those ranks significantly. Fewer people seem willing to come to his defense, and some have stated that they used to be willing but have now given up entirely. Even your protest on his behalf isn't all that convincing - no assertion that he's been doing has been correct of valid, just that people calling him on it are getting annoying.

 

[FrancisSoyer]

1040 posts, mostly of bashing a Buckeye ... Why don't you guys who don't like him just stop watching, listening and talking about him. Start following someone else , like Mark May or Brent.
I mean you have already tried him and found him guilty and hung him so why not just bury him and give the rest of us a break from your whining and boo hooing.
Geezee people.

Or Chris Carter. Or Chris Spielman. Or Robert Smith.....

 

[Best Buckeye]

people calling him on it are getting annoying.

you got it. Ie. if a bee stings you for breaking into it's hive for it's honey do you try to break in again 5 times a day or do you just go buy some candy.
My opinion, not that it matters to any of you any more than yours does to me is that the job he does in broadcasting has no bearing on his allegiances to Ohio State.
Just because he sometimes says things that some of his detractors feel aren't "Buckeye" enough well wahhhhhhhhhhhhhh to you if appropriate.
Give it a break.

 

[k2onprimetime]

Can we remove the espn performer, and put Fake Buckeye there?

 

[Tlangs]

you got it. Ie. if a bee stings you for breaking into it's hive for it's honey do you try to break in again 5 times a day or do you just go buy some candy.
My opinion, not that it matters to any of you any more than yours does to me is that the job he does in broadcasting has no bearing on his allegiances to Ohio State.
Just because he sometimes says things that some of his detractors feel aren't "Buckeye" enough well wahhhhhhhhhhhhhh to you if appropriate.
Give it a break.

So why click on a Herbie thread if you don't want to hear people's opinion about Herbie?

There have been several Herbie complaints that really aren't valid. This one seems pretty valid. Win a bowl game to a top ten team and drop 3 spots in the poll? If you don't want people to complain about Herbie, you better call him up and tell him to stop being a dumbass.

 

[NFBuck]

you got it. Ie. if a bee stings you for breaking into it's hive for it's honey do you try to break in again 5 times a day or do you just go buy some candy.
My opinion, not that it matters to any of you any more than yours does to me is that the job he does in broadcasting has no bearing on his allegiances to Ohio State.
Just because he sometimes says things that some of his detractors feel aren't "Buckeye" enough well wahhhhhhhhhhhhhh to you if appropriate.
Give it a break.

This is a Buckeye site. Herbert is a former Buckeye and controversial figure in the Buckeye community. Of course he's going to be talked about. I don't see what the issue is. And as far as him not being "Buckeye enough", well other "entertainers" on that network have had issues at their respective schools and have not been over the top criticizing them like Herbert has. He's made a number of gaffes over the years, the most glaring being naming innocent parties last month and then never offering a mea culpa...then there's this poll bullshit where he won't even sack up and explain why he did it...he just claims he was "sleepy". How some people blindly defend this guy just because he once suited up for tOSU mystifies me.

 

[Jaxbuck]

This is a Buckeye site. Herbert is a former Buckeye and controversial figure in the Buckeye community. Of course he's going to be talked about. I don't see what the issue is...

I'll tell you what the issue is....this

All his bullshit comments and AP poll voting bullshit are in addition to this.

Anyone have a picture of Spielman like this?

I didn't think so.

 

[buckeyesin07]

Maybe we should just cut down Herbie's tree in the Buckeye Grove. Oh, wait....

Not a factor on the field, not a factor in the booth. Hit the "ignore" button.

Best post in the entire thread.

 

[Best Buckeye]

This is a Buckeye site. Herbert is a former Buckeye and controversial figure in the Buckeye community. Of course he's going to be talked about. I don't see what the issue is. And as far as him not being "Buckeye enough", well other "entertainers" on that network have had issues at their respective schools and have not been over the top criticizing them like Herbert has. He's made a number of gaffes over the years, the most glaring being naming innocent parties last month and then never offering a mea culpa...then there's this poll bull[Mark May] where he won't even sack up and explain why he did it...he just claims he was "sleepy". How some people blindly defend this guy just because he once suited up for tOSU mystifies me.

yes it is a buckeye site and yes it's "ok" to talk about him. 1040 plus posts of "oh I don't like that he did this" or "Oh I don't like the way he said this"
He's made a few mistakes? OMG FLAY HIM!.
re: the rest Wahhhhhhhhhh