QB Kirk Herbstreit (Frosted Quips)

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SEC

He can be all over the SEC's nuts....that is fine......the real is question is if he will say this win sends the Big 10 back into the 1940's??

He was on Charlotte radio yesterday, hyping the speed discrepency between the Big 10 and Southern Schools.

It was awesome.

Yeah.... .there is no discrepency in speed.... here are the bowl records the past 3 years by conference, the final number being BCS bowls (losers in parenthesis)

6-3
7-2
6-2
5-1 (Bama)

2-5
3-5
1-6
0-6 (OSU 3x, Ill, UM, PSU)

How are they doing this?

The coaching and recruiting are 10 billion times better than the big ten.

Hey Herbie haters... quit whining. These are the facts. Maybe the Big 10 will try to do something about it... or risk being left behind in the dust.

 

[billmac91]

They are that much faster. If you remember our game against Fla., Troy was running for his life the whole game, Then in our game against Lsu, same thing, They kept Todd running for his life. Anyone who knows anything about this knows that the d line speed was the difference.
Kirk is not doing anything but stating the obvious.

And Vernon kept Matt Flynn running for his life.....

And LSU's pressure came from LB's a majority of the time.

And I said the SEC is going through a greta period right now. Is the Big 10 currently stuck in the 1940's??? Are they really on the verge of losing an automatic Big 10 berth??

Herbstreit just said the difference tonight was speed......LOL.

Is that the only factor between conferences, teams?? Sometimes it is more than speed. Top teams in the country all have speed.

Could the difference of tonight been bad penalties?? A great play by a safety to make a pick?? A bad decesion by Stafford at the end of the first half??

Herbstreit plays the speed card on everything. And it is disappointing b/c he is smarter than that. But he'll continue to be the company man and play the current trend....

Outisde of Percy Harvin, was speed really an issue tonight?? Oklahoma's defense hung in their all night, with exception to a few angles and misse dtackles.

OU's offense played respectably. A tipped pass taken for a pick, some bad penalties, a few bad coaching decesions, a blocked kick.

But the difference tonight was speed accorsing to Herbstreit. It is laziness on his part...

 

[powerlifter]

agreed. i don't understand why everyone is so afraid to say it. i do, however, get a kick when they talk about SEC speed and show the receivers. that's not what i think think about. like you say, its the DL.

People have to take anything but praising ohio state the wrong way. Basic criticism is not dumping them into the ocean. Problems exist and it's apparent,but it's more then obvious that they could be a lot bigger.

 

[3074326]

I think our offensive lines have been slower than their defensive lines.

 

[billmac91]

Yeah.... .there is no discrepency in speed.... here are the bowl records the past 3 years by conference, the final number being BCS bowls (losers in parenthesis)

6-3
7-2
6-2
5-1 (Bama)

2-5
3-5
1-6
0-6 (OSU 3x, Ill, UM, PSU)

How are they doing this?

The coaching and recruiting are 10 billion times better than the big ten.

Hey Herbie haters... quit whining. These are the facts. Maybe the Big 10 will try to do something about it... or risk being left behind in the dust.

this is also an awesome post because you completely disregarded my statement that over the last 3 years I can't make much of an argument for the BIg 10.

I'll re-state it, the last 3 years have been bad for the Big 10. I could provide a lot of excuses, like Northwestern playing Missouri instead of Michigan State b/c the Big 10 sent 2 reps to the BCS, but that gts tiresome and comes off as weak.

That is fine.

The Big 10 is in a down-cycle. Fine.

Are we really blasted back into the 1940's?? Did this happen overnight?? Because over the last 10 years we have held up, as a conference, quite nicely compared to the SEC.

Congrats to UF tonight though...their superior speed was the difference against OU. If OU was as fast as UF, they surely would have won tonight. The speed was the difference because UF's speed allowed them to block the field goal, UF's speed also allowed Ahmad Black to make that bobbling interception, and UF's speed allowed UF to make the volleyball pick on the goalline at the end of the first half.

UF's speed also allowed them to dominate on offense. OU's defense got lit up tonight because of all that UF speed.....

 

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speed

this is also an awesome post because you completely disregarded my statement that over the last 3 years I can't make much of an argument for the BIg 10.

I'll re-state it, the last 3 years have been bad for the Big 10. I could provide a lot of excuses, like Northwestern playing Missouri instead of Michigan State b/c the Big 10 sent 2 reps to the BCS, but that gts tiresome and comes off as weak.

That is fine.

The Big 10 is in a down-cycle. Fine.

Are we really blasted back into the 1940's?? Did this happen overnight?? Because over the last 10 years we have held up, as a conference, quite nicely compared to the SEC.

Congrats to UF tonight though...their superior speed was the difference against OU. If OU was as fast as UF, they surely would have won tonight. The speed was the difference because UF's speed allowed them to block the field goal, UF's speed also allowed Ahmad Black to make that bobbling interception, and UF's speed allowed UF to make the volleyball pick on the goalline at the end of the first half.

UF's speed also allowed them to dominate on offense. OU's defense got lit up tonight because of all that UF speed.....

Actually i didn't miss it. Tresselbeliever just had it correct... the 3 three years Herbie has taken a beating for loving the SEC... and the statistics bear that he SHOULD be pimping them instead of the Big Ten. People forget leading up to that game he was all OSU and though UM should have gotten a rematch.

Actually UF's defensive speed DID do a number on OU's offense. Spikes was right, Big 12 D's aren't that great.... that is why they had all those 55-40 games. Hate to tell you, but that extra .1 off your 40 is the difference between an int and a reception.

 

[Jaxbuck]

Yeah.... .there is no discrepency in speed.... here are the bowl records the past 3 years by conference, the final number being BCS bowls (losers in parenthesis)

6-3
7-2
6-2
5-1 (Bama)

2-5
3-5
1-6
0-6 (OSU 3x, Ill, UM, PSU)

How are they doing this?

The coaching and recruiting are 10 billion times better than the big ten.

Hey Herbie haters... quit whining. These are the facts. Maybe the Big 10 will try to do something about it... or risk being left behind in the dust.

Yet somehow miraculously when the 10 billion times worse B10 goes head to head with the 10 billion times better and faster SEC they are 15-14 against them since the BCS started.

In the last 3 year period you are so transfixed on the head to head record is 4-4.

Wierd shit the SEC not being able to do any better than .500 against the B10 given that they are 10 billion times better and all.

 

[billmac91]

Actually i didn't miss it. Tresselbeliever just had it correct... the 3 three years Herbie has taken a beating for loving the SEC... and the statistics bear that he SHOULD be pimping them instead of the Big Ten. People forget leading up to that game he was all OSU and though UM should have gotten a rematch.

Actually UF's defensive speed DID do a number on OU's offense. Spikes was right, Big 12 D's aren't that great.... that is why they had all those 55-40 games. Hate to tell you, but that extra .1 off your 40 is the difference between an int and a reception.

this is silly.

Spike's was right about Big 12 defenses, yet OU held UF to 24 points. What was OU's points allowed per game in the Big 12? I guess OU's defense saw a slower offense than they're normally used to seeing.

I mean seriously.

Could the difference of an INT and the reception been the receiver bobbling the football rather than catching it. And, do you really think Ahmad Black is faster than say, Kurt Coleman??

I am prepared to offer you any sig wager you want that Kurt Coleman runs a better 40 time than Ahmad Black. Regardless of when they declare.

That was NOT blistering speed by Black. It was a great play in which Black got as close to Iglesias as possible, and was a bit lucky the pass was bobbled.

That .1 difference is overblown when you consider Black isn't known for his speed. He is known for his hitting and smarts.

Oh well.

To some, speed is the only differnce between a good and great conference. It is silly....

 

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the one saving grace

Yet somehow miraculously when the 10 billion times worse B10 goes head to head with the 10 billion times better and faster SEC they are 15-14 against them since the BCS started.

In the last 3 year period you are so transfixed on the head to head record is 4-4.

Wierd shit the SEC not being able to do any better than .500 against the B10 given that they are 10 billion times better and all.

How about we narrow it down? Big 10 v SEC in championship games 0-2. Big Ten in championship games overall 1-2. SEC in championship games. 5-0. We can pull a lot of statistics and go all night I am sure. But in the end, I will be able to pull many more statistics that favor the SEC over the Big 10.

Be honest. As a whole... would you rather have the big 10's coaches and recruits each year or those of the SEC. I would really like an answer.

 

[billmac91]

Ahhhh.... the two statistics for those people with their heads in the sand.

How about we narrow it down? Big 10 v SEC in championship games 0-2. Big Ten in championship games overall 1-2. SEC in championship games. 5-0. We can pull a lot of statistics and go all night I am sure. But in the end, I will be able to pull many more statistics that favor the SEC over the Big 10.

Be honest. As a whole... would you rather have the big 10's coaches and recruits each year or those of the SEC. I would really like an answer.

How about you just look at head to head bowl records??? Is that to much of a reach???

Big 10 vs. SEC.

The Big 10 has won 15. The SEC has won 14.

Congrats to the SEC for winning their championship games.

By the way, a pretty bad Michigan team, beat this years champions in Orlando last year. The same team with Tebow, Harvin, Spikes, Dunlap, Black, etc.

Not saying that is definitive evidence of the Big 10 vs. SEC, b/c I agree the SEC is a better conference right now, but we're discussing a rocky 3 year period.

3 years does not make the Big 10 irrelevant, and the SEC All-time kings.

 

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I am prepared to offer you any sig wager you want that Kurt Coleman runs a better 40 time than Ahmad Black. Regardless of when they declare.

In general I am a believer that many interceptions are due to hurried throws that arrive before a receiver is ready/thrown early/etc because a fast D line gets to a qb.

I would have to go back to watch that specific play again as I was running on a treadmill during the game.

That being said I might consider a wager on D line 40 times at the nfl combines. But let us take this to pm's so as to keep the thread clean.

Look... I am not saying speed is the ONLY thing. I thought in general they executed better than OU, too. But I felt I saw more plays in the open field in which the UF players were faster where as OU got bigger runs on better blocking/execution on those plays.

 

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How about you just look at head to head bowl records??? Is that to much of a reach???

Big 10 vs. SEC.

The Big 10 has won 15. The SEC has won 14.

Congrats to the SEC for winning their championship games.

Because there is more than one statistic to view to see which conference has been the best one in ALL of college football.

By the way, a pretty bad Michigan team, beat this years champions in Orlando last year. The same team with Tebow, Harvin, Spikes, Dunlap, Black, etc.

You mean a Michigan team that finally got largely healthy and wanted to send Carr out on a win against a team that was decimated coming in to that year by players leaving? All those guys you quoted were sophs versus Michigan's seniors.

Not saying that is definitive evidence of the Big 10 vs. SEC, b/c I agree the SEC is a better conference right now, but we're discussing a rocky 3 year period.

3 years does not make the Big 10 irrelevant, and the SEC All-time kings.

We agree, but we are just looking at it two different ways. I see a 3 year trend that has a possibility of last a long time unless the Big 10 gets their act together.

 

[WaitingforKickoff]

As much as you may hate Herbie for singing the praise to the SEC, it's nothing compared to his outrageous attempt to kill the game a couple of years back by using his position and influence to champion for an OSU-Michigan rematch in the NC game. Not only was that a totally wrong football opinion, it would have absolutely killed the game right there with the amount of animosity that it would have generated. The SEC would literally have seceded from the BCS.

 

[billmac91]

In general I am a believer that many interceptions are due to hurried throws that arrive before a receiver is ready/thrown early/etc because a fast D line gets to a qb.

I would have to go back to watch that specific play again as I was running on a treadmill during the game.

That being said I might consider a wager on D line 40 times at the nfl combines. But let us take this to pm's so as to keep the thread clean.

Look... I am not saying speed is the ONLY thing. I thought in general they executed better than OU, too. But I felt I saw more plays in the open field in which the UF players were faster where as OU got bigger runs on better blocking/execution on those plays.

Were those plays a result of UF getting their players in space?? Having amobile QB who can run the football, tends to allow RB's, motioned players into the backfield, have an easier time getting the ball in space, as the defense has to account for the QB.

Maybe OU's running game is dependent on physical running because they don't have a mobile QB that demands a spy and or defensive responsbilities.

How much did OU's fastest RB and top 10 RB Demarco Murray not playing effect OU's gameplan??

I just didn't see any speed discrepency tonight. UF is undoubtedly fast. Demps, Harvin, James are 3 of the fastest players in the country. But scheme is what allows them to get the ball in space and exploit teams.

Speed is just WAY overrated IMO. Utah didn't have as much team speed as Bama. Ap. St. didn't have as much team speed as UM. Most would say tOSU didn't have the smae team speed as Miami.

It comes down to execution, scheme, and heart. Urban Meyer and Charlie Strong are a hell of a combo. I think your previous post would have more weight if you talked about a coaching advantage in the SEC. That seems more apparent than team speed, IMO.

Names like Richt, Meyer, Miles, Saban, Tubberville, Spurrier, Nutt, Fulmer have just traditionally carried more weight and experience than the Big 10 coaches. I'll never root for Rodriguez, but guys like him and Beilema are bad for the conference. It's idiotic coaching moves and team philosophies more than talent, IMO.

Maybe Dantonio sticks around, and Tim Brewster gets something solid going at Minny. Maybe Schiano takes the PSU job and stabilizes a roller coaster program. Pat Fitzgerald might be able to build a consistent winner at NW. Maybe Ron Zook does what he did at UF and has an every other year monster. Kirk Ferentz hasn't worked at Iowa, but myabe they turn around with a new coach.

These aren't the Hayden Frye, John Cooper, Lloyd Carr, sane Joe Pa, Gary Barnett, Barry Alvarez, Glenn Mason days.

I'd point to coaching more than talent honestly.....where a team like LSU and UF excel in offense and defense in champuonship years, tOSU has been one dimensional, even with exceptional talent on both sides of the ball.

 

[billmac91]

As much as you may hate Herbie for singing the praise to the SEC, it's nothing compared to his outrageous attempt to kill the game a couple of years back by using his position and influence to champion for an OSU-Michigan rematch in the NC game. Not only was that a totally wrong football opinion, it would have absolutely killed the game right there with the amount of animosity that it would have generated. The SEC would literally have seceded from the BCS.

the SEC would not have seceded from anything. Overstatement of the year.

The Big 10 was considered a good ocnference that year. Imagine that, the Big 10 solid in 2006.

Until tOSU got hammered in the title game.

I think there are two perspectives of that game:

1. The SEC is a MUCH BETTER conference with better talent and it showed that night.

2. tOSU showed up over-confiednt, out of shape, and unprepared. Tedd Ginn's injury took away tOSU's gameplan.

Rationally, I think it falls somewhere in the middle. But Herbie did a massive number on his national reputation when he called for a Michigan vs tOSU championship, and tOSU went on to get hammered.

Since then he has called the Big 10 slow, stuck in the 1940's, behind the times, and regularly laughs at them on the Pac-Man's show on Thursday's when he is the guest.

And all they ever talk about is speed...it has to be speed. That is a major generalization, IMO.