Onebuckfan
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I know Joe B's throwing motion won't improve ..but I will give you the players returning hopefully J. Hall will be back with the Tat 4 and add some oomph to the offensive game .NateG;1989449; said:
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it's about time somebody said something like this. it's an insult to Krenzel to call every non-scrambling QB a "game manager" as if they are as good as he was. This was Craig Krenzel, since some people apparently have forgotten:
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJaO2woGAGI"]Craig Krenzel and Buckeyes escaping Illinois - YouTube[/ame]
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=julW9Eroqcw"]Holy Buckeye - YouTube[/ame]
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pK4FOBBSh0I"]2004 Fiesta Bowl: Ohio State vs Kansas State (Drive-Thru) - YouTube[/ame]
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The up and down is going to continue until one of these guys decide that this is their team and they take control of the huddle and the sideline as well. The QB has to be the unequivocal leader of the football team. One of them has to step up and take it over. When they have the rest of the team on their backs then this team will be what it should be. Until then, there are too many questions.
If its Joe, so be it. He needs to take it if he really wants it. If he doesnt I'm in the group that says both need to get reps regardless of the situations.
If its Joe, so be it. He needs to take it if he really wants it. If he doesnt I'm in the group that says both need to get reps regardless of the situations.
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Thats not really fair is it BN? That guy had more heart than any QB I've seen except for maybe Jake Plummer at Arizona State. Look at those pathetic RB's behind Clarrett. Lydell Ross and Mo Hall? The stable we have now would have never let them see the field, except Hall on ST's. It does look like the same type of situation at least if Posey and Boom were on the field. We just have to weather the storm until those guys are back and then see how we fare when we are at full strength. Craig Krenzel in PA passing game was a thing of beauty.
Personally I think this time without them is only going to make us better in the long run. Depth will be outstanding by the end of the year. Will Joe or Braxton be behind center? Thats the biggest question really.
Personally I think this time without them is only going to make us better in the long run. Depth will be outstanding by the end of the year. Will Joe or Braxton be behind center? Thats the biggest question really.
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Bill Lucas
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I don't think we bash Buckeyes, present or former on this site.
Craig Krenzel was a winner and is a hell of a smart guy. I'm confident that he was able to get through his progressions when he dropped back. There's only one picture of the end of a national championship game in my theater and it's signed by Craig Krenzel.
Buckeye quarterbacks should be aspiring to reach his level of success. Dude was a gamer.
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Bill Lucas;1989486; said:
You're right I didnt mean it that way. Was meant to be more from a production perspective.
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That's kind of my point. The guy had more than Joe has......so every time we come across a QB who isn't getting the job done, people compare him to Krenzel. Krenzel got the job done. With some combination of heart, talent, and luck, he got things done in spite of what was around him on O. We need to stop making some kind of comparison to Krenzel, because it's not fair to either guy.
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LOL, I was trying to agree.
Evidently the pot of coffee I drank has my fingers and head going in different directions! :!
Evidently the pot of coffee I drank has my fingers and head going in different directions! :!
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Onebuckfan
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CK's style was similar to a game manager but he also made the big plays when needed.scrambles pass completions or throwing it away..JB managed the game No turn overs..but when big plays were available he didn't make them. Toledo is good but not 2002 Miami or Purdue good..thats why I said he needs to improve to the CK level..
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Gatorubet
Loathing All Things Georgia
If your defense is good enough, and your ground game is sturdy, a game manager who does not make mistakes is all you really need. This may be before some of your time, but Jay Barker was, in 1992, like Baus for the Crimson Tide. He specialized in handing off the rock and in not screwing up by making turn-overs. He was, at best, an average passer.
The point I'm making though, is that if your defense is not stout, or your running game able to take over a game against lesser opponents, then you need something better than a game manager at the helm. Because a game manager QB will not replace the loss of not having those other assets. It does not mean that you will not have a winning season, but that you will likely not be in contention for BCS type games. If you had the 07 defense and running game then, IMO, Joe would be adequate for the job. But if you feel that you do not have the defense and running game to compensate for quarterback play, then it would seem that the best option would be to try to find the guy who has the best chance at improving to more than a game manager, and go with him. To be fair, the down side is more (in that young guys turning over the ball can lose close games), but the up side is greater (if the young guy "clicks" you have a shot to advance to a better bowl or conference championship).
For a new coach trying to earn a long term contract, perhaps it is a wiser course not to throw the dice on the hope of developing a younger player. Having one or two wins less - but a more experienced quarterback ready for a 2012 breakout year - will seem like less of an accomplishment if those two extra losses means you are unemployed and watching it on TV.
The point I'm making though, is that if your defense is not stout, or your running game able to take over a game against lesser opponents, then you need something better than a game manager at the helm. Because a game manager QB will not replace the loss of not having those other assets. It does not mean that you will not have a winning season, but that you will likely not be in contention for BCS type games. If you had the 07 defense and running game then, IMO, Joe would be adequate for the job. But if you feel that you do not have the defense and running game to compensate for quarterback play, then it would seem that the best option would be to try to find the guy who has the best chance at improving to more than a game manager, and go with him. To be fair, the down side is more (in that young guys turning over the ball can lose close games), but the up side is greater (if the young guy "clicks" you have a shot to advance to a better bowl or conference championship).
For a new coach trying to earn a long term contract, perhaps it is a wiser course not to throw the dice on the hope of developing a younger player. Having one or two wins less - but a more experienced quarterback ready for a 2012 breakout year - will seem like less of an accomplishment if those two extra losses means you are unemployed and watching it on TV.
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OSUK
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Observations:
1) Booing Joe was ridiculous.
2) Joe does not throw the ball to the guys in the other colored jerseys - so far.
3) Joe has some high throws because he is a little vertically challenged and he is trying to get it over the DL. He will have a lot of batted down passes.
4) Joe cannot elude a rush other than to go into the fetal position.
5) Joe throws the short to intermediate ball well. The long ball not so much.
With his strengths and limitations, the question is whether this guy can win against good defenses in big games because at some point, your QB is going to have to make a play. Without all of his weapons available to him, it's hard to say. The Akron game means that he can play well against no resistance. We don't know what the Toledo game means. I suspect that the Rockets are a much, much better team than many think.
But I have serious doubts that the answer is yes. B Miller has the talent, but he's a frosh and he'd probably throw the ball to the other guys. If Joe starts turning it over, you had might as well let the kid get his experience.
1) Booing Joe was ridiculous.
2) Joe does not throw the ball to the guys in the other colored jerseys - so far.
3) Joe has some high throws because he is a little vertically challenged and he is trying to get it over the DL. He will have a lot of batted down passes.
4) Joe cannot elude a rush other than to go into the fetal position.
5) Joe throws the short to intermediate ball well. The long ball not so much.
With his strengths and limitations, the question is whether this guy can win against good defenses in big games because at some point, your QB is going to have to make a play. Without all of his weapons available to him, it's hard to say. The Akron game means that he can play well against no resistance. We don't know what the Toledo game means. I suspect that the Rockets are a much, much better team than many think.
But I have serious doubts that the answer is yes. B Miller has the talent, but he's a frosh and he'd probably throw the ball to the other guys. If Joe starts turning it over, you had might as well let the kid get his experience.
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Sportsbuck28
Here comes the BOOM
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOBill Lucas;1989486; said:
I guess now we really do have to forfeit the 02 title.
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Crump's brother
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Gatorubet;1989545; said:
We have a winner.
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Sportsbuck28;1989552; said:
John Saunders has been reporting this for months, where have you been?
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