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buckeyesin07
Veni. Vidi. Vici.
Hell of a lot of crow to be had tonight by posters in this thread. 
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Systems_id
Head Coach
Feel absolutely terrible for him and makes me even more angry at Beck and Warriner. JT has completely regressed in pretty much all phases of the game. It's not like we didn't see him hit the deep ball and throw receivers open in 2014. We know he CAN do it but the last couple of years just broke him I think.
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ZEKE103
All-American
I'm sorry, I love JT as a Buckeye, but he is not cutting it. He needs to be benched. We have seen this song play out time and time and time again. The problem is this year there is nobody to bail him out. Last year our D was so good he could get away with it a lot. Two years ago Zeke and Thomas could. It's not all his fault. Our WRs leave a lot to be desired, the play-calling is still absysmal, but in the end he just isn't an elite QB. He is a game manager, and that's it.
We really need to give someone young a shot to step in, but Urban is too loyal. Frustrating. I don't like feeling this way either bc JT has given his heart and soul for OSU, but enough is enough.
We really need to give someone young a shot to step in, but Urban is too loyal. Frustrating. I don't like feeling this way either bc JT has given his heart and soul for OSU, but enough is enough.
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bukIpower
Head Coach
I know me too... I want the kid to do so well but this is who he is. Sadly he will be the most productive QB at OSU ever and here we are talking about benching him.
However I do think it's time... I'm sorry JT you have a weenie arm and his inability to drive the ball downfield is absolutely killing us
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starBUCKS
BPCFFB League #2 League Champion 2008 & 2010
I'm not one to bash, but what kills me with JT is his body language and leadership. He always looks down in the dumps on the sidelines. Be a damn leader, get your teammates pumped up, show some emotion! Can't stand seeing him there with a long face, at all points of the game.
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dragurd
Head Coach
I don't think leadership is his issue. From what I've seen and read that's his best quality. The issue is he needs to trust his reads. He was late on 90% of his throws tonight. When he didn't was when the last 2 drives mostly where he could just sling it without worrying about the consequences.
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Onebuckfan
classof76
At least give someone a series or three and just see if it's one player or the system. What could it hurt, Urban always preaches competition..so let's see some of this recruited talent at QB.
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Buckeye86
I do not choose to discuss it
I don't think there is any way we go with someone other than Barrett at QB, and I think that makes it very unlikely we beat the better teams on the schedule.
Go with Barrett, accept that a 10-2, 9-3 result is likely, and hope like hell that we get a favorable bowl match-up against a team that doesn't know how to run a bear defense.
Absolute best case scenario would be a 2014 redux, and then I think we have a 2016 playoff redux and get embarrassed again.
I'd be happy to be wrong, but it seems clear there is a hard ceiling on offense we cannot break through with Barrett at QB.
I also think that the difference between Beck/Warinner and Wilson is that Beck/Warinner tried to run what they wanted to run and hoped that Barrett would execute the plan, no matter what- the criticism being that Barrett's strength wasn't going five wide and picking apart a defense with his arm.
Sometimes, almost inexplicably, it worked and we beat Oklahoma last year. Most other times it didn't and we started running the ball with the QB.
In comparison, I think Kevin Wilson tried to adjust/simplify the game plan this year. That adjustment was one route patterns five yards in the flats- which we did a lot last night.
We weren't running this play because Kevin Wilson is a moron and thought that was the best way to attack Oklahoma, we ran it because Wilson thought it was a play that Barrett could execute, and to me that speaks volumes about Barrett's limitations as a passer.
I think 3/4 of the playbook is off the table because Wilson doesn't have confidence Barrett can execute throws.
So, you either keep the playbook open and are forced to rely on QB runs because Barrett can't execute the full playbook,or you limit things to what you think he can execute and are forced to rely on QB runs because decent defenses can stop a limited playbook pretty easily too.
I find it ironic that we were forced to do the exact same thing last night that we were the past two years to get any hint of a functioning offense- run the ball with the QB.
I also recognize that the play from the WRs is inconsistent at best which does not help, to say the least.
I'm reminded of the 2015 MSU game when it became fairly obvious that the players had no faith in the offensive coaching or play calls.
Are the WRs mediocre because they stink and don't try hard? Or are they mediocre because they are demoralized and know that no matter what they do, Barrett probably isn't going to get the ball to them in an efficient and consistent way, so what difference does it make if they bust ass and run the crispest routes you've ever seen, or if they half-ass it and run lazy routes- Barrett probably isn't going to get them the ball either way.
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at Barrett in 2014!" anymore. I think Barrett cannot return to that form because he has the yips. I think he is broken and does not and cannot get the confidence and timing necessary to pick apart a defense through the air.
As I said, I think best case moving forward is a 9-3/10-2 type season with a favorable bowl matchup.
Enjoy Barrett as the only 3-time captain and for breaking every record in the book, while understanding that we are in big trouble against the better teams on the schedule unless something almost miraculous happens like Oklahoma version 2016.
I think if we get lucky and get a train rolling circa 2014 and win out, we are in for another embarrassment in the playoffs.
I'd be happy to be wrong about that.
Go with Barrett, accept that a 10-2, 9-3 result is likely, and hope like hell that we get a favorable bowl match-up against a team that doesn't know how to run a bear defense.
Absolute best case scenario would be a 2014 redux, and then I think we have a 2016 playoff redux and get embarrassed again.
I'd be happy to be wrong, but it seems clear there is a hard ceiling on offense we cannot break through with Barrett at QB.
I also think that the difference between Beck/Warinner and Wilson is that Beck/Warinner tried to run what they wanted to run and hoped that Barrett would execute the plan, no matter what- the criticism being that Barrett's strength wasn't going five wide and picking apart a defense with his arm.
Sometimes, almost inexplicably, it worked and we beat Oklahoma last year. Most other times it didn't and we started running the ball with the QB.
In comparison, I think Kevin Wilson tried to adjust/simplify the game plan this year. That adjustment was one route patterns five yards in the flats- which we did a lot last night.
We weren't running this play because Kevin Wilson is a moron and thought that was the best way to attack Oklahoma, we ran it because Wilson thought it was a play that Barrett could execute, and to me that speaks volumes about Barrett's limitations as a passer.
I think 3/4 of the playbook is off the table because Wilson doesn't have confidence Barrett can execute throws.
So, you either keep the playbook open and are forced to rely on QB runs because Barrett can't execute the full playbook,or you limit things to what you think he can execute and are forced to rely on QB runs because decent defenses can stop a limited playbook pretty easily too.
I find it ironic that we were forced to do the exact same thing last night that we were the past two years to get any hint of a functioning offense- run the ball with the QB.
I also recognize that the play from the WRs is inconsistent at best which does not help, to say the least.
I'm reminded of the 2015 MSU game when it became fairly obvious that the players had no faith in the offensive coaching or play calls.
Are the WRs mediocre because they stink and don't try hard? Or are they mediocre because they are demoralized and know that no matter what they do, Barrett probably isn't going to get the ball to them in an efficient and consistent way, so what difference does it make if they bust ass and run the crispest routes you've ever seen, or if they half-ass it and run lazy routes- Barrett probably isn't going to get them the ball either way.
Also, I don't think we can say "look
at Barrett in 2014!" anymore. I think Barrett cannot return to that form because he has the yips. I think he is broken and does not and cannot get the confidence and timing necessary to pick apart a defense through the air.
As I said, I think best case moving forward is a 9-3/10-2 type season with a favorable bowl matchup.
Enjoy Barrett as the only 3-time captain and for breaking every record in the book, while understanding that we are in big trouble against the better teams on the schedule unless something almost miraculous happens like Oklahoma version 2016.
I think if we get lucky and get a train rolling circa 2014 and win out, we are in for another embarrassment in the playoffs.
I'd be happy to be wrong about that.
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JT Barrett has been quarterback at Ohio State during one of its most outstanding periods. He will hold most of the major records for quarterback by the time he leaves the program this year. With his feet and some very smart play, he has made major contributions that will be a benchmark for many future Buckeye quarterbacks.
These wonderful achievements noted, it is time to be brutally frank about his abilities. He does not possess the competency to threaten a team with the long ball. This allows teams to put more people up on the line to shut down the Buckeye running game, including him. Ohio State won its national championship because teams that could have shut down the running game with Barrett behind center (Wisconsin, Alabama), had to protect against Cardale's arm.
I don't want to see this board get down on a kid that has given his all to Ohio State and had those successes, but it is true that he looks depressed and well and truly broken. He had as good a protection as Mayfield yesterday but it is clear that he is not sufficiently decisive or accurate downfield. Last year, Buckeye fans were right to blame Beck and Warriner in my opinion. They were right to assign blame to WRs, and should still assign some of the blame to coaches and WRs this year.
However, there were plenty of poorly thrown passes, missed open receivers, and the like yesterday to not recognize and be brutally honest about this quarterback. His accomplishments beat the living hell out of the accomplishments of many predecessors in that role. At some point, though, you have to admit that there are serious limitations and this impacts systematically on your ability to win games against elite teams.
Let me be more brutally honest. The team we saw yesterday will lose again at home and one away and those losses will be to teams that will make Buckeye fans run around with their hair on fire. This team most probably will be ranked outside the top 10 and maybe the top 15 this week and it will be because of the play on offense.
In my opinion, part of getting Barrett to be the best quarterback he can be is to get beyond this Heisman nonsense. He will not be a first or second team All-American. He probably is not among the top ten quarterbacks in America. He will never be an NFL quarterback. He stayed for a final year because, quite frankly, there weren't any options. The coaches, players, and fans need to be honest about that.
Fans, in particular, need to be honest about something else. It would be foolish to think that the coaches are not already working on a transition plan for next year. The backups need some game time urgently, but what Ohio State has right now is what it has. JT Barrett is not going to get better. Either plan around it or bring someone else in.
These wonderful achievements noted, it is time to be brutally frank about his abilities. He does not possess the competency to threaten a team with the long ball. This allows teams to put more people up on the line to shut down the Buckeye running game, including him. Ohio State won its national championship because teams that could have shut down the running game with Barrett behind center (Wisconsin, Alabama), had to protect against Cardale's arm.
I don't want to see this board get down on a kid that has given his all to Ohio State and had those successes, but it is true that he looks depressed and well and truly broken. He had as good a protection as Mayfield yesterday but it is clear that he is not sufficiently decisive or accurate downfield. Last year, Buckeye fans were right to blame Beck and Warriner in my opinion. They were right to assign blame to WRs, and should still assign some of the blame to coaches and WRs this year.
However, there were plenty of poorly thrown passes, missed open receivers, and the like yesterday to not recognize and be brutally honest about this quarterback. His accomplishments beat the living hell out of the accomplishments of many predecessors in that role. At some point, though, you have to admit that there are serious limitations and this impacts systematically on your ability to win games against elite teams.
Let me be more brutally honest. The team we saw yesterday will lose again at home and one away and those losses will be to teams that will make Buckeye fans run around with their hair on fire. This team most probably will be ranked outside the top 10 and maybe the top 15 this week and it will be because of the play on offense.
In my opinion, part of getting Barrett to be the best quarterback he can be is to get beyond this Heisman nonsense. He will not be a first or second team All-American. He probably is not among the top ten quarterbacks in America. He will never be an NFL quarterback. He stayed for a final year because, quite frankly, there weren't any options. The coaches, players, and fans need to be honest about that.
Fans, in particular, need to be honest about something else. It would be foolish to think that the coaches are not already working on a transition plan for next year. The backups need some game time urgently, but what Ohio State has right now is what it has. JT Barrett is not going to get better. Either plan around it or bring someone else in.
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