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QB CJ Stroud (All B1G, 2022 B1G QB of the Year, All-American, NFL OROY, Houston Texans)

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GovTressel said:
One of the many problems when you can’t run the ball effectively.
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Oregon/Penn State and Nebraska held the running backs to 5.04/5.06/4.33 yards per carry respectively.

That isn't ineffective but when combined with winning the net penalty yards, net penalty first downs, net turnovers and net 3rd&4th down conversions, keeping the OSU backs to under ~5.0 ypc seems to be part of the recipe for success.
 
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Jaxbuck said:
Oregon/Penn State and Nebraska held the running backs to 5.04/5.06/4.33 yards per carry respectively.

That isn't ineffective but when combined with winning the net penalty yards, net penalty first downs, net turnovers and net 3rd&4th down conversions, keeping the OSU backs to under ~5.0 ypc seems to be part of the recipe for success.
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I think the issue with the running game lies in consistency. Henderson rips off a big run or two creating a respectable ypc. This doesn’t fix the 3rd/4th and 1s where we can’t get any push and the 3rd and longs that stall drives out when we can’t get a consistent 3-5 yards running it on 1st and 2nd down.
 
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Jaxbuck said:
Then you look at his pitches per game against the three good defenses so far and see he was only asked to throw it 34 times against PSU.

Oddly enough the running backs averaged 5.1 yards per carry vs PSU.

Against Nebraska and Oregon it was under 5 and he was asked to throw it 54 times each.
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Ryan Day hates 4 and 5 yards plays for some reason. We could've easily ran for more vs Corn
 
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GovTressel said:
I think the issue with the running game lies in consistency. Henderson rips off a big run or two creating a respectable ypc. This doesn’t fix the 3rd/4th and 1s where we can’t get any push and the 3rd and longs that stall drives out when we can’t get a consistent 3-5 yards running it on 1st and 2nd down.
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Yeah all that's kind of baked in there when you look at it as ypc and 3rd down conversion.

They should have a mode yards per game or something like that. :lol:
 
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Individually across our line, all the guys are studs.

But there’s a massive lack of cohesion in the run game. I have several theories (mostly too many guys playing out of position) but I don’t view our running game weakness as strictly not “getting push”. It’s guys not sustaining blocks, it’s guys missing a slant/specific run game scheme, etc.

I’d also state, I think Dawand is really limited in run blocking. He can’t pull, he doesn’t get to next level, and in general just kinda pushes forward. But he’s very limited in any kind of blocking scheme. That said, our pass protection is top notch which isn’t surprising when you look at the players.
 
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The double clutching and impatience in the pocket comes down to Wilson being out and not totally trusting other WRs yet, Nebraska getting close and making him see ghosts, and him pushing to make plays because there wasn't anything else consistent to rely on to move the ball.

It was another big learning opportunity. Figure out ways to be more decisive and don't let the defense spook you.

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On an admittedly, previously hurt shoulder.

We talk about saving Henderson for a stretch run but where is the pitch count on CJ. This time of year the hits pile up, the weather gets worse and things breakdown after 50+ tosses in a game.

Not a fan of Ryan Day going Dusty Baker on him. General feeling is CJ’s being asked to do too much/more than he’s capable of (right now).
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It shows how highly Day thinks of him, putting the entire game plan in his hands with RPO after RPO and throwing the ball 50+ times. Can't disagree with a lot of that thinking because he sees the field so well and makes throws 99% of college QBs can't. Obviously not a sustainable model though.
 
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billmac91 said:
Individually across our line, all the guys are studs.

But there’s a massive lack of cohesion in the run game. I have several theories (mostly too many guys playing out of position) but I don’t view our running game weakness as strictly not “getting push”. It’s guys not sustaining blocks, it’s guys missing a slant/specific run game scheme, etc.

I’d also state, I think Dawand is really limited in run blocking. He can’t pull, he doesn’t get to next level, and in general just kinda pushes forward. But he’s very limited in any kind of blocking scheme. That said, our pass protection is top notch which isn’t surprising when you look at the players.
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But that’s to be expected with Dawand, with the limited experience that he has. Not sure why there’s such a surprise that the team is struggling with so many inexperienced players at key positions: QB, RB, OC, RG, RT on offense alone. And now we’re in the rough part of the schedule. Nebraska and PED St ain’t Maryland and Rutgers. You either let the players fight through the growing pains, or panic and try something new and unknown. Stud will earn his money with this OL. I clamored for Jones to start and put Munford back at OT, but now I think they should just learn by their mistakes. Henderson is learning he can no longer out run every defender, and Stroud is learning he needs to take what the defense gives him and that defenses are more complicated and he’s given them enough film to make his life that much harder.
 
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I'm not calling for his head at all, we need to get behind CJ because we're in the point of the year where you have your guy. I think CJ has been pretty damn good.

BUT...I think CJ needs to understand that if there is wide open grass to get the first, you have to take it. There's been so many times where CJ could have got the first down running either out of bounds or sliding without even taking a hit. I'm not asking him to be Braxton Miller or Terrelle Pryor. I'm asking him to be freaking Aaron Rodgers for the Packers in that respect. Just move the chains. The criticism here is deserved imo.
 
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RB07OSU said:
I'm not calling for his head at all, we need to get behind CJ because we're in the point of the year where you have your guy. I think CJ has been pretty damn good.

BUT...I think CJ needs to understand that if there is wide open grass to get the first, you have to take it. There's been so many times where CJ could have got the first down running either out of bounds or sliding without even taking a hit. I'm not asking him to be Braxton Miller or Terrelle Pryor. I'm asking him to be freaking Aaron Rodgers for the Packers in that respect. Just move the chains. The criticism here is deserved imo.
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Agreed. Unless/until he gives the defense a reason to respect him being a running threat, they aren't going to.
 
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The play before the incompletion on 4th down was an old fashioned option.

Stroud kept the ball (when he should have pitched it).

I just don't think at this point in his career he recognizes the times when he can grab a few easy yards without getting hit, when to pull it on a read option or when to pitch it on a regular option.

In the grand scheme of things, I think he'll eventually pick up the easy scramble yards but will never be a good or even competent option runner and quite frankly I don't want him to be doing it at all.

He can do, and has done, a hell of a lot more damage with his arm and the WR talent OSU has amassed than he will ever be able to do with his legs. He isn't built to take hits like other guys were. We need him to live to play another down.

The sputtering in the run game is inconsistency with the OL more than teams not respecting Stroud as a runner imo.
 
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Jaxbuck said:
The sputtering in the run game is inconsistency with the OL more than teams not respecting Stroud as a runner imo.
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You're probably right, but it feels a lot like 2018, when the offense struggled to run. I got the feeling that when Haskins started running it, the whole offense started to do better, starting with the running backs.
 
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