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QB CJ Stroud (All B1G, 2022 B1G QB of the Year, All-American, NFL OROY, Houston Texans)

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I am curious on how Stroud does in the Pros.
I am of the opinion that a QBs success is very much influenced by the team, the OC, and the players around them. The idea that you could just stick Maholmes on the Cardinals and they would suddenly be good is ridiculous. Now I do believe that once a QB has massive success that they can drastically improve a team if moved to a crappy team. But they must get that success initially and have that confidence and such.

So in essence I think Stroud will be as good as the team around him and how well the OC maximizes his strengths and talents. At the end of the day I doubt Tom Brady would have thrived in the Rams offensive system. And I question if he would have even in the KC system. But the thing with KC is that Reid would have adjusted the offensive to utilize Brady's short passing game accuracy and poise. Verses how they use Maholmes cannon arm.

Stroud has skills but he is dependent on that OC and line to help him find greatness. And that is a big question mark.
 
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Greyshirt said:
I am curious on how Stroud does in the Pros.
I am of the opinion that a QBs success is very much influenced by the team, the OC, and the players around them. The idea that you could just stick Maholmes on the Cardinals and they would suddenly be good is ridiculous. Now I do believe that once a QB has massive success that they can drastically improve a team if moved to a crappy team. But they must get that success initially and have that confidence and such.

So in essence I think Stroud will be as good as the team around him and how well the OC maximizes his strengths and talents. At the end of the day I doubt Tom Brady would have thrived in the Rams offensive system. And I question if he would have even in the KC system. But the thing with KC is that Reid would have adjusted the offensive to utilize Brady's short passing game accuracy and poise. Verses how they use Maholmes cannon arm.

Stroud has skills but he is dependent on that OC and line to help him find greatness. And that is a big question mark.
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The question you really have to ask is how many Super Bowls would Brady have won if drafted by the Browns. Would he be a HOF or how about JF on SF or the Eagles and not Chicago.

It will take CJ some time to be successful….
 
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buckeyebri said:
The question you really have to ask is how many Super Bowls would Brady have won if drafted by the Browns. Would he be a HOF or how about JF on SF or the Eagles and not Chicago.

It will take CJ some time to be successful….
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My point exactly. I would suggest Brady would have the same number of Super Bowls wins that I current have as a starting Qb in the NFL..... :dance:

Qb is one of those positions that is crucial but dependent on having so many other things in place. JF on the Eagles likely looks similar as Hurts right now. And maybe even better. I would argue that JF has a better overall arm as far as strength and accuracy compared to Hurts.
 
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Greyshirt said:
The idea that you could just stick Maholmes on the Cardinals and they would suddenly be good is ridiculous.
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Now I do believe that once a QB has massive success that they can drastically improve a team if moved to a crappy team. But they must get that success initially and have that confidence and such.
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Greyshirt said:
At the end of the day I doubt Tom Brady would have thrived in the Rams offensive system.
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That same offensive system and skill players that dragged Jared Goff's under-achieving ass to multiple playoff runs and AND a Superbowl?

But Brady wouldn't have thrived in said offense... Sure.


Greyshirt said:
And I question if he would have even in the KC system. But the thing with KC is that Reid would have adjusted the offensive to utilize Brady's short passing game accuracy and poise. Verses how they use Maholmes cannon arm.
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It's pretty widely understood that the greatest vertical threat Brady ever enjoyed in NE was Moss. You should go back and check TB's 2007 numbers in compared to Mahomes 2019 numbers when 'Reek was putting on a historic pace for his deep catching performance. You'll be surprised how well they hold up and how capable Tom was of pushing the ball downfield consistently in an era where defenses weren't as hamstrung as they are now with contact rules.
 
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That same offensive system and skill players that dragged Jared Goff's under-achieving ass to multiple playoff runs and AND a Superbowl?

But Brady wouldn't have thrived in said offense... Sure.




It's pretty widely understood that the greatest vertical threat Brady ever enjoyed in NE was Moss. You should go back and check TB's 2007 numbers in compared to Mahomes 2019 numbers when 'Reek was putting on a historic pace for his deep catching performance. You'll be surprised how well they hold up and how capable Tom was of pushing the ball downfield consistently in an era where defenses weren't as hamstrung as they are now with contact rules.
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So is this the same Moss that made Daunte Culpepper look like a HOFer?

I will say that I had forgotten that old TB did quite well with the long ball for awhile with Moss. But I am not sure I think that is a logical and fair comparison. Also I realize that Maholmes had Hill. But he has kept going.

And I guess we can agree to disagree about Brady. I just do not think he would have been so successful if he had not been with NE. This is a super hard discussion because success breeds success. Chicken or the egg is always the question.
 
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I will say that I had forgotten that old TB did quite well with the long ball for awhile with Moss. But I am not sure I think that is a logical and fair comparison.
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I'm going to need a logical reason as to why this isn't a fair comparison? Both QB's enjoyed, arguably, the top 2 premier deep threats of the last 25 years and put up career numbers in Superbowl appearance/winning seasons with them. Without them you see AVG, A/YA and NYYA drop quite a bit.


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Also I realize that Maholmes had Hill. But he has kept going.
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And, just like Brady after Moss, you should again check how the stats have dipped since Tyreek's departure. More specifically, look at the rushing attempt, personnel (21) usages and Mahomes averages this past season for the Chiefs in comparison to the previous 4 seasons. Save for the disaster that was the Oline in the 2021 campaign.

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And I guess we can agree to disagree about Brady. I just do not think he would have been so successful if he had not been with NE.
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Had he not been with NE and Bill to begin his carrer is a perfectly fine topic to debate about. But to say things like "Brady wouldn't fit in KC's offense", or Brady wouldn't "fit in the Rams offensive system" or that Patrick Mahomes wouldn't make the Cardinals better overnight are silly, short sighted comments not worth debate.
 
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