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BuckBackHome
Wolverine is largest member of weasel family
I'm just feeling good about his performance in the Peach Bowl.
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This is spot on and I have complained about it all year. The offensive play callers are just outthinking themselves constantly. Working the middle of the field with MH Jr, Egbuka, Fleming and Stover is our clear strength on offense...I know we can't do that every play like you said, but if we are in a critical moment I am leaning on that and making the defense prove they can stop it.
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Captain Buckeye
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There's no way we don't chart the results of certain plays. So if a play goes for 11 yards? Run it again. Maybe the 2nd time we only get 8? Run it again. Maybe the third time we only get 5. Run it again. Maybe the fourth time we only get 2? Stop running it and then run a play set up by the past 4 attempts.
For example maybe counter is work? Keep running it until they stop it. Then run a counter play action and test the DBs discipline.
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This was the first lesson I learned from my dad when he coached football. Run a play until they strop it, then run a different play, then go back to the previous play. Obviously it’s a bit more complex than that, but the premise typically works.
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To your point, in the UFM losses at OSU, I recall it was a similar issue of stubbornness on play calls that weren't working and/or getting too cute and overthinking calls. We ran the designed QB runs to the point of delusion and the MSU loss following the Natty year, we inexplicably didn't use Zeke or that draw run with the pulling TE when legit nobody could stop it. As to JT, he is my favorite coach of all time but I would not put him on any type of pedestal for offensive prowess or innovative play calling. Us fans (myself included at times tbh) have the memory of a goldfish comparing Day to former coaches. That's not to say I don't have my doubts that Day will be in Columbus long-term (I hope he does, love the guy and think he could be the man), but I'm not in the camp thinking he is toast...especially not before the playoffs. If we get a title somehow, a lot of people are going to be eating their words on Day and Stroud.
But back to the subject of the thread since I just realized this was not the Ryan Day thread, my biggest frustration is not the lack of designed QB runs...maybe on the occasion run one, but the problem I have on CJ is him not being decisive when there is an opening to get free yards. There were times where he could get the first down running and sliding, or getting out of bounds, but he just kept trying to see a WR open. I think a great example is what Burrow is doing in Cincy...he is pass first but in the second half of this season, he has been so good at taking off when the time is right and still not taking many hits. Burrow is a stud but not some incredible athlete like Mahomes or Hurts, but he makes it work in his own way in moving the chains with his arm and feet. I think CJ could do the same thing as Burrow, but has absorbed himself in the notion that he needs to be a passing only QB (or maybe the coaches have). If you look at the NFL right now, the days of the statue QB who only throws is gone, so I don't think CJ did himself any favors not running when the time was right even if fans have been overly critical about that. Good news is CJ has 1-2 games on the big stage to possibly change that perception and get himself into the position to be a top draft pick.
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I think Day has also probably put in Stroud's head to avoid injury from runs. As fun as it is to watch a QB run for extra yards, I'm sure seeing Fields get knocked out against Clemson worried Day, especially when the backups hardly get meaningful reps. There's a very delicate balance of having your QB run. The guy who just won the Heisman lost his CCG by relying on his legs so much, and one hit took away his legs. I'd like to see Stroud like Burrow with the Bengals as well. Watching Burrow each week, he's so dangerous because he's looking downfield but will make the correct run. That is also because he has several years of watching and getting comfortable in the offense. Stroud doesn't look comfortable when plays break down, when WRs aren't open he panics and doesn't look for ways to get yards with his legs. Maybe that changes against UGA, because that skill is going to be an X factor in the Peach Bowl
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Agreed on Day discouraging CJ from running, just wish it was more selective...do I want CJ to throw the ball away against Arkansas State rather than run to avoid injury? Hell to the yes. But when the game is on the line, you have to risk it a little more and take off if the guys are covered. Like I said, a lot of the times I think fans were complaining about CJ not running were just wide open yards where he wouldn't even have to take a hit.
And yes, Burrow is just so damn decisive and knows how to avoid injury when he does tuck it and run. It is kind of amazing how panicked Stroud gets considering his incredible pass protection from his OL, I think if he knew he could rely on his legs occasionally that panic would dissipate somewhat. I hope he can figure it out before the Peach Bowl, but my assumption is that we can't rely on that this late in the year and will just air it out and see what happens. I suppose we have had plenty of time to fix our offensive woes though, so hopefully CJ is in prime form like last year when he had a month to prepare for a game.
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Onebuckfan
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CJ could run more, it’s the last game, BUt it’s not CJs last game. He is better than a good college QB..he’s an NFL #1 or # 3 draft pick his legacy will be made in the NFL.
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Last big time i remember was the Oregon NC game.
We ran counter from off-balance for an entire series, and then some. I don't think they ever adjusted, and the constraint jet sweep was ready too.
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C.J. Stroud earned his third second-team All-American honor of the year from the AFCA. Stroud did not receive any first-team All-American honors, however, which means he will not be in line for a tree in Buckeye Grove.
The full list of Buckeyes who received All-American distinctions this year from at least one major national media outlet or organization:
The full list of Buckeyes who received All-American distinctions this year from at least one major national media outlet or organization:
- C.J. Stroud: Walter Camp Football Foundation, CBS Sports, AFCA (second team)
- Marvin Harrison Jr.: AP, Walter Camp Football Foundation, PFF, CBS Sports, The Athletic, Bleacher Report, FWAA, Sporting News, AFCA (first team)
- Emeka Egbuka: PFF (third team)
- Paris Johnson Jr.: Walter Camp Football Foundation, The Athletic, Bleacher Report, FWAA, AFCA (first team); CBS Sports, AP (second team); PFF (honorable mention)
- Dawand Jones: PFF and CBS Sports (first team); AP, Sporting News (second team)
- Luke Wypler: PFF (third team)
- Tommy Eichenberg: PFF, Bleacher Report (first team); Walter Camp Football Foundation, CBS Sports, FWAA, AP, Sporting News (second team)
- Ronnie Hickman: PFF, AP (second team)
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